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    Default I have always been in love with Ernest Hemingway

    It's weird because our lifetimes didn't even overlap. He drank too much, he committed suicide, he had four wives and was kinda narcissistic. But I can't help myself. He's full of life, determination, passion. When I read his writing, (I'm reading a book of his letters right now) I can't help feeling crazily attracted to this man. Ugh, what does this even say about me, as a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Ugh, what does this even say about me, as a person.
    Daddy issues.

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    he's boring.

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    He drank too much, he committed suicide, he had four wives and was kinda narcissistic. He's full of life, determination, passion. He was the world's most interesting man.




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    Was Hemmingway IEI ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    he's boring.
    think again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    Was Hemmingway IEI ?
    Not likely. I think Se-ESTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    Was Hemmingway IEI ?
    For sure not. I've read everything he's ever written (other than his letters, which I'm reading now, and his news articles which I will probably never read) and almost every biography that's been written on him. SLE-Se. 7w8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    Not likely. I think Se-ESTp.
    ha. just saw this. yes, agreed.
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    why did he get such a rise out of Ayn Rand? aren't they "supposed" to be identi-bro & identi-sis according to conventional wisdom on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    Not likely. I think Se-ESTp.
    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    For sure not. I've read everything he's ever written (other than his letters, which I'm reading now, and his news articles which I will probably never read) and almost every biography that's been written on him. SLE-Se. 7w8
    That's really interesting. Can it be true?? He seems so intuitive. I have to read some more of him and see what he feels like. Based on the very little I have read I thought Ni ego, but I don't really have an opinion. Hmm, SLE, SLE, SLE, I have to hammer this into my brain.

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    I'll forever associate Ernest Hemmingway with my extremely homophobic high school English teacher, who made us read Old Man and the Sea and periodically licked his thin chapped lips while talking about Hemmingway's work. Yeck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolShrimp View Post
    I'll forever associate Ernest Hemmingway with my extremely homophobic high school English teacher, who made us read Old Man and the Sea and periodically licked his thin chapped lips while talking about Hemmingway's work. Yeck.
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    Hemingway seems to be a Sensory type; I wouldn't be surprised if he was SEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post
    He drank too much, he committed suicide, he had four wives and was kinda narcissistic. He's full of life, determination, passion. He was the world's most interesting man.



    Every old person was once young. Every dead person was once alive. He had an amazing life. He always lived in the moment, with gusto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Hemingway seems to be a Sensory type; I wouldn't be surprised if he was SEE.
    That would be my second guess for him.
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    Well, now I want to read his stuff, since I've run out of Archer episodes to watch and need a new SLE-Se 7w8 to be entertained by
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    Do you guys really think that an SLE would commit suicide? For what reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Do you guys really think that an SLE would commit suicide? For what reasons?
    My boyfriend's always talking about killing himself before he gets old and can't do all the "fun" things he likes to do, and he doesn't want to be a burden on society... but he's probably not SLE in your system so *shrug*

    But I can imagine that an SLE would do it if they decided life was no longer worth living, and according to Wikipedia he'd been given lots of ECT and had several debilitating health problems, so it's not beyond my comprehension that an individual in that situation of any type might choose to end it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    My boyfriend's always talking about killing himself before he gets old and can't do all the "fun" things he likes to do, and he doesn't want to be a burden on society... but he's probably not SLE in your system so *shrug*

    But I can imagine that an SLE would do it if they decided life was no longer worth living, and according to Wikipedia he'd been given lots of ECT and had several debilitating health problems, so it's not beyond my comprehension that an individual in that situation of any type might choose to end it.
    Yes, we are all subject to periods of depression, and we can all be influenced by substance abuse, however, I believe that given how we process information, some types are more prone to suicidal tendencies than other; the types that are are Feeler types; the types that are not are Thinker types; I find that Thinker types rationalize their feelings and are able to pull themselves out of emotional situations; a common SLE saying I've heard that speaks about this rationalization is "Tomorrow is another day" "someday, none of this will matter" (you may find in that saying); as long as there are people to influence, people to view an SLE, thought may become the center focus of the individual, to motivate themselves and others. I find this consistent with SLE literature, having read works by Christopher Reeve, Clint Eastwood, Richard Nixon and other popular SLE who have faced strong and challenging moments in their lives where suicide may have been an option. This is a general observation. Nothing conclusive (YET!).

    I find it hard to believe that Hemingway was SLE because he would have been aware of the influence and motivation of his writing and having appreciated the attention, he wouldn't have removed himself from the world, instead would have used his power to broaden his influence some more.

    I, of course, am only speaking of how I conceptually combine my understanding of SLE motivation with influence of their position.

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    Not going to argue with your typings... but being less prone to suicide doesn't mean it never happens, if an individual is placed in a situation in which that might look like the only real option. I do kind of agree that SLEs tend to rationalise their feelings, but sometimes suicide is a rational choice, such as in the final stages of very painful, incurable cancer which would only result in prolonged pain and continuing healthcare costs for your loved ones.
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    yes I believe it was a rational choice. He wasn't fully enjoying his life anymore and didn't want his health to steadily move downhill any more than it already was. of course he was aware of what his writing had contributed. But I also know that SLEs don't like to feel powerless and I think he was scared that he was powerless over his health and he wanted to be in control of how his life ended. The idea of slowly wasting away in pain was unthinkable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    yes I believe it was a rational choice. He wasn't fully enjoying his life anymore and didn't want his health to steadily move downhill any more than it already was. of course he was aware of what his writing had contributed. But I also know that SLEs don't like to feel powerless and I think he was scared that he was powerless over his health and he wanted to be in control of how his life ended. The idea of slowly wasting away in pain was unthinkable.
    Being powerless and incapacitated is a big theme with the SLEs I know, they're always talking about pulling the plug if they're ever a vegetable.
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    I like Hemingway. One of his favorite writers is also one of my favorite writers: Stephen Crane (author of The Red Badge of Courage). Not sure what type Crane was, though.
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    I would say egos can sometime like to take the agency of their own demise into their own hands.

    Hunter S. Thompson is another writer who did similar feat.

    Then again many members of Hemingway's family has commited suicide, it runs in their family.

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    People of any type can suffer from severe depression, and there is no type immune from potential suicide. Absolutely not type related, and it upsets me to see it classified that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    People of any type can suffer from severe depression, and there is no type immune from potential suicide. Absolutely not type related, and it upsets me to see it classified that way.
    I would say this isn't the case in Hemingway's death, his suicide might have involved severe depression, but there were other factors, such as debilitation and sickness.

    IMO, suicide is type related, as every individual may have different reasons to commit suicide. Severe depression is not the only reason people commit suicide nor is imo is it a blanket cause.

    My friend committed suicide in high school and he was SLE and we both were likely severely depressed, but he also had physical abuse and drug addiction mixed in there and was also much more impulsive as well as decisive in his actions. There are very external factors why he committed suicide beyond depression and the route that he took, a gun was very direct and certain fashion to do it. His gender, type, and life circumstances in my opinion allowed his suicide to occur in a definite fashion where as I was far more passively depressed and suicidal without really any motivation to act on my impulses. Of course this event made me even more depressed, but I never really had the willpower to acquire the means by which I could have taken this route.

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    The reasons why might be type related but what Maritsa said was that the fact that he committed suicide proves he isn't SLE. Committing suicide is not type related. The reasons why someone would could be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    he's boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    My boyfriend's always talking about killing himself before he gets old and can't do all the "fun" things he likes to do, and he doesn't want to be a burden on society... but he's probably not SLE in your system so *shrug*

    But I can imagine that an SLE would do it if they decided life was no longer worth living, and according to Wikipedia he'd been given lots of ECT and had several debilitating health problems, so it's not beyond my comprehension that an individual in that situation of any type might choose to end it.
    my SLE says the same thing. He'll often talk about things, such as if he ever got into a motorcycle accident and was left severely paralyzed, he'd just finish himself off. As a teen he wanted to kill himself because he felt ashamed and trapped with his home life (being from an immigrant family who lived in a warehouse with roaches, who worked him to death & didn't give him a life) He's actually confessed his thoughts of suicide a lot to me, surprisingly. If you ever met him, you'd assume he'd be the least likely person to consider that sort of thing.

    From the stories I hear, there's a chance my biological grandfather was SLE, though I never got the chance to meet him. Rumor has it, he committed suicide alone in a hotel room, being diagnosed with throat cancer, with nothing else to live for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    my SLE says the same thing. He'll often talk about things, such as if he ever got into a motorcycle accident and was left severely paralyzed, he'd just finish himself off. He's actually confessed his thoughts of suicide a lot to me, surprisingly. If you ever met him, you'd assume he'd be the least likely person to consider that sort of thing.

    From the stories I hear, there's a chance my biological grandfather was SLE, though I never got the chance to meet him. Rumor has it, he committed suicide alone in a hotel room, being diagnosed with throat cancer, with nothing else to live for.
    I think SLE's as one of the types who are going to be very decisive about this sort of thing.

    From all of my time with SLE's and around them, imo if they feel like they couldn't live a full and fulfilling life in the future, they would act to end it.

    I think I think similarly, but I do not think I have the willpower to pull that trigger unless I was in excruciating pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post
    He was is the world's most interesting man.
    Hah. I love those commercials because he seems so incredibly boring. Maybe that's the tactic... if you drink Dos Equis, you'll be an interesting disgustingly rich person too surrounded by sexually appealing people who all want in your bed. Sigh.

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    I thought I'd point out that over half of suicides are with a fire arm and that men are more likely to kill themselves than women. So a man killing himself with a hand gun or rifle just doesn't strike me as incredibly unique.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-171971.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    That's really interesting. Can it be true?? He seems so intuitive. I have to read some more of him and see what he feels like. Based on the very little I have read I thought Ni ego, but I don't really have an opinion. Hmm, SLE, SLE, SLE, I have to hammer this into my brain.
    Here's some more likely Se-SLEs that come off that way...

    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    My boyfriend's always talking about killing himself before he gets old and can't do all the "fun" things he likes to do, and he doesn't want to be a burden on society... but he's probably not SLE in your system so *shrug*

    But I can imagine that an SLE would do it if they decided life was no longer worth living, and according to Wikipedia he'd been given lots of ECT and had several debilitating health problems, so it's not beyond my comprehension that an individual in that situation of any type might choose to end it.
    That's exactly it for me. It would be pointless for me to just lay around and waste money and time all day, and to have to be at the mercy of other people, making them hate me for each second I stick around like that, embarrassing myself all the while... once I start seeing things going downhill too much, I'll be sure to get a gun powerful enough to blow my skull and brains into uselessness, and hopefully whatever in me that's piloting this body finds a new baby one that grows into something even better in an even more glorious timeframe... only thing I'm afraid of is being unable to move, and that never lasts...

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    I have no trouble imagining that Fi PoLR and EP temperament couldn't get suicidal.
    I'm just going to say that I have been very near the edge.

    Suicidal, drinks a lot, has many women, is kinda narcistic, enjoys redbaron's favor.. this reminds me of someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post
    He drank too much, he committed suicide, he had four wives and was kinda narcissistic.
    If done in that chronological order, he certainly would have been the most interesting man in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I think I think similarly, but I do not think I have the willpower to pull that trigger unless I was in excruciating pain.
    me too. I KNOW I don't have the willpower. I'm pathetically wimpy when it comes to something like that.
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    I've known/read/typed of one SLE suicide case and this was a young man who was sentenced to prison after having killed someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I've known/read/typed of one SLE suicide case and this was a young man who was sentenced to prison after having killed someone.
    Sounds like an impulsive kill followed by a Fi PoLR guilt trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woofwoofl View Post
    ... only thing I'm afraid of is being unable to move, and that never lasts...
    Do you hate dentist appointments and haircuts?
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    Yes, we are all subject to periods of depression, and we can all be influenced by substance abuse, however, I believe that given how we process information, some types are more prone to suicidal tendencies than other; the types that are are Feeler types; the types that are not are Thinker types; I find that Thinker types rationalize their feelings and are able to pull themselves out of emotional situations; a common SLE saying I've heard that speaks about this rationalization is "Tomorrow is another day" "someday, none of this will matter" (you may find in that saying); as long as there are people to influence, people to view an SLE, thought may become the center focus of the individual, to motivate themselves and others. I find this consistent with SLE literature, having read works by Christopher Reeve, Clint Eastwood, Richard Nixon and other popular SLE who have faced strong and challenging moments in their lives where suicide may have been an option. This is a general observation. Nothing conclusive (YET!).

    I find it hard to believe that Hemingway was SLE because he would have been aware of the influence and motivation of his writing and having appreciated the attention, he wouldn't have removed himself from the world, instead would have used his power to broaden his influence some more
    Are you really this dense?

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