What parts of reality should people focus on to determine their own type?
How do I determine my own type?
What parts of reality should people focus on to determine their own type?
First know yourself, then know the basic structure of socionics. It should be easy.
I don't know if I know myself. Probably not since I question it... But I have an overview of Socionics by now.
My problem is that there seems to be as many versions of Socionics as there are experts, so depending on what system I follow, I get different conclusions. If I follow Reinin's I can easily identify with Extravert, Negativist, Declaring, Strategic, Result and Decisive, meaning I end up SLE. However, if I do one of the many online tests, I end up a lot of other types (any type). By descfiption, I identify with LIE the most.
So then, how do I determine from there?
It is, almost by definition, impossible to know yourself. After years and years I still do not know what my type is if I have to go by type descriptions. It's much easier to figure out another person's identity than your own. So if you are comfortable with typing other people, intertype relations will tell you your own type. The bad news is: it takes a couple of years to become 'fluent' at typing others and understanding the subtleties of intertype relations.Originally Posted by Croco
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
k, thanks.
Thought maybe to try and figure out the differences between DS, ignoring functions and PoLRs. Anyone with a good overview?
Call me.
That's how.
Imagine I already called you, the way the other psychics/experts on here do.
I'm a sensor, I can't imagine things.
It's more about how does one do what it does than what it is that one does.
Pardon, if this is too vague.
Natural communication without pressure also gives a lot of insight as you can see how the subject's train of thought moves.
You could start writing about how did your day go and how's your life in general. It helps if you can do it like you would be talking to good friends.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Compare yourself with other people. That will show you your type. You learn to type yourself as you learn to type others.
Don't believe your bullshit.
Dammit. I thought to just drop by, type myself, and move on. This seems to take too long.
It's just hard if one lacks familiarity with the system. They might be looking for things too external as type indicators. We all have done that I think.
I don't.
Don't believe my signature. It's bullshit.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
I think it's better to give it some time. Your own type doesn't really mean that much until you have seen it all in practise.
It didn't take me long, I thought I am SLI before registering on this site, that is, did some reading and stuff, started to compare things but I am somewhat skeptical by nature and I just "forgot" all about it. Had my reasons.
Anyhow, it didn't take long to arrive at LSE from there.
yes, but It's a process. One makes mistakes and then corrects them. As one meets more and more people one's own picture of what a type really is becomes clearer.
Go to wikisocion, read the common social roles listed at the bottom of every type description, see which ones might be it,then read those description more accurately, especially the first four functions and you'll have a vague string of letters to describe your horoscope socionics type.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
This process seems to be too cumbersome for this person who just wanted to "drop by" and figure it out.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
You should focus on the practical implications of your type, imho. The relationships to others and the essence of your personality (your quadra, your leading and creative function). Don't get irritated by small details, you'll most likely not find a type which fits 100% and if you do, it's either an illusion you trick your mind into or simply coincidence.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
See, this is why you just ignore the dumb parts of socoionics. Gulenko, Renin, Ganin, all the shit that wasn't directly from Augusta just contradicts what Augusta did. Not always, but often enough to create more confusion that it solves.
Easy Day
Come to think of it, I've never seen any of Augusta's description of types.
Gulenko calls SLI a ninja. That's good enough for me.
Renin came first. Augusta is Renin's follower.
Socionics -
the16types.info
Type all the people u know. The most abundant type within this group will be that of your dual.
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
--> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
I couldn't care less, he's an idiot and does not deserve proper recognition even as the person who taught the person who got it right.
Easy Day
What came first - the chicken or the egg?
i don't understand why Reinin gets so much hate. i can understand why Reinin dichotomies may confuse some people, because they may not be so well-defined in many cases, but the fact is that the Reinin dichotomies are derived from Model A - they aren't a separate system or anything like that. articles such as this describe how Reinin dichotomies manifest in people's behavior; this kind of information can be used when typing people and otherwise applying socionics.
The problem are people not Reinin dichotomies in most cases, at least that's what I've seen on this forum.
This three question socionics test is the best, I believe, because you can ask your friends to take it in order to type you!
http://www.socionics.us/tests/1/0.htm
Socionics -
the16types.info
What do you mean "so much hate"? Aren't I like one of maybe two people who think that he's a tard?
Easy Day
idk tbh. it just seems like people often have really strong negative reactions when they don't like Reinin.
It certainly is a vocal minority, I'll give you that, but for the most part I think people love him so you can take solace in that. I'm just not one of those people.
Easy Day
Seriously, I don't know what hate has got to do with it all. Using Reinin you're going to get a result, always. And like I said before in some other thread, no matter how divorced from reality it is going to be, it is going to be still a result, so use it on your own risk. It's pure math, followed by math and more math done in a sterile environment.
?i don't care whether people love Reinin or not...
Well In that case. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him, I hate him!?
Easy Day
and then continue to ignore him.
Easy Day
And kill him...
they can be useful when used to narrow down typings, for instance, it's easy to assume that two types with the same base function would basically be identical but that's not true ime. there are many subtle differences which when viewed thru reinin dichotomies are easier to pin down (kindreds differ in six dichotomies positivist/negativist, process/result, yielding/obstinate, constructivist/emotivist, taciturn/narrator, & one quadra dichotomy), but it's only useful insofar as you work downwards from type towards further precision. it splinters into behaviorist nonsense when you try to build up on types based on these dichotomies.
edit: correction, seven dichotomies. aristocratic/democratic as well.
Spoken like a true socionics person.
This might not be a great suggestion, but maybe after you have studied the IE elements and everything else as mention on this thread by other members, you could also try to be aware of how you learn new things? Or how you have learned in the past.
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