It kinda makes sense. Another addition to the zoo, you know.Originally Posted by octo
It kinda makes sense. Another addition to the zoo, you know.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Yeah, I look like so much like someone who can promote a humorous atmosphere. Ann, copy and paste this part, everywhere you go: I throw grand fun parties.
And I DON'T really like to come up with ideas.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What are you trying to do, kill me with the Ti hammer? I just died a painful death of utter boredom...(
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“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
For the record, I do not have any strong opinion on her type. I do think she is most likely than not logical though - and I use that word loosely. I've seen plenty of people affirm the soundness of some of her opinions, people I didn't expect for them to see her as logical, and yet her relationships with people are shit. I have yet to talk to her in private, but I have no doubt that she wouldn't be as alarming as she seems now. There are some things that you just can't know about people without interacting with them, especially one-on-one.
Sure, constantly harping and not listening to the person in question can be very insulting. I was thinking of people saying "I really don't know if you are type xyz. I think you are type zyx."
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I hate to be the dickface grammar nazi, but it's cavalry, people. CAVALRY.
I want to have Se as my ignoring function, so that I can ignore half the intentional BS in this room.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Just out of curiosity (and with no bad intent), why do you get so upset/angry when people question your type?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
YES
Right on...good for you.
LSE provide me with cause and effect; they are good at latching onto phrases that are most important that lead to cause and effect and interpretation of meanings of things hence better at interpreting what people say and figuring out cause and effect; while I don't latch onto the most important things; I'm too big picture with that and don't pick up key details.
HENCE I am very attracted to Te types that are naturally good with interpretation. HAH.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Because you're morons who can't argue things from rational perspectives; This is rationality:
I looked at my own personality
I had close family and friends look at my personality
I took the above two things and applied it to the type that best fit
I and close family and friends picked the type that fit according to the personality; so it wasn't only about reading the personalities and saying "well, that one looks groovy, I'll go with that because Oh MY GOD LOOKS SO ATTRACTIVE."
MORONS. Heard of fucking morons here.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Don't you think that people YOU aggressively re-type do the exact same thing? How can you get upset about something you do yourself?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Maritsa reminds of two people: a girl (18), and a woman (in her 30s), that I know in real life whom I type ILI. The girl types herself INTP in MBTI. I have had to sit her down one time and lecture her about how she shouldn't be arguing as much because it's just dumb and unproductive. This was so out of character of me, especially since that was my first time talking to her. I asked for her number, we met somewhere else, and I spent 3 hours talking to her. I didn't really know her besides the few times I have seen her with her friends in the cafe I frequent.
She constantly got into petty fights with people and never knew when to let go. Everyone used to walk all over her because she talks so damn much when she is defending herself, sometimes needlessly took any bait people threw at her (even strangers), and I wondered if she is actually just doing it for fun. She did change though, strangely. She is such a sweetheart now but I can still see her strong personality.
The other woman just scarily looks and acts like her in a way that I can't ignore. Body language and all that jazz.
Aren't you supposed to be mod; I asked someone to close this thread.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
oops misspell
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ime esis are rarely pedantic or unwilling to consider alternate perspectives any more than other ixxj types. i know 4 isfjs irl, two of which i initially typed as infj based on shallow reasoning like "they're imaginative, and open-minded", later to rectify when i studied the differences b/w them and i more closely. anyway, pulling generalized conclusions and dealing with overarching themes rather than specifics is more of an N thing whereas dealing with stratified data and empirical hands-on experience is more S. in theory as well as in practice, i wouldn't expect an isfj to defend a theoretical model that appeals to abstract, generalized forms, neither would i expect them to take a theory like socionics for its own premises and make appeals to things like reinin dichotomies. i would expect them to draw from their personal experience rather than a personality theory as vague as socionics.
of course intelligence plays a part in this as well but i reckon infjs are more likely to be comfortable dealing with abstracted personality traits over an isfj (btw at this point i'm sold on isfj for lungs and you can see the differencr in her approach and mine or maritsa's which is not all that different.) isfjs are rarely pushy in the sense being conveyed here. they might be pushy with themselves to come to a decision or cut people short when they try to make lengthy justifications/go on ne tangents but not "YOU ARE X TYPE CONFIRM" pushy + detaching from "heretical" influences that could corrupt their understanding or threaten to break their castle in the sky, is characteristic of unhealthy inxj types imo.
meh. /2c
What doesn't really convince me is her strong interest and pushy views regarding intellectual matters. Oftentimes, ESIs are relatively unconfident in this realm - unless they're dealing with a strictly professional setting where they're considered experts.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
People, get your heads out of the gutter.
I like theory, abstract thinking, applied socionics. ThINK.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think EII fits Maritsa pretty well, herPoLR is apparent in how ineffective she is in dealing with
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Yeah but you kinda suck at it. I mean, you're still lovely, but let's be honest with ourselves, Mary?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Fuck that. She behaves like my INFj 9w1 mother, except Mar. exhibits more of the neuroses of a 1. She also exhibits the negative side of Fi, which I have encountered a lot.
Because she is controlling. She feels the need ti control others... possibly from lack of current or past control.
Same, but they can't destroy the fact they're ripped off and serious thread is serious. I love and adore them.
Or because she is constantly misunderstood (not blaming anyone though, that's her issue to resolve). But, to make a real example, I doubt any one of you know me enough to type me LII. Hell, someone should open a thread and try to type me, go on. She is even more gaurded than I am in certain aspects, and yet she reminds me of XLIs in the way she gets herself in certain unpleasant situations. I don't know if it's the Fi role that usually works in LXI's favour, but they don't usually suffer from that.
Besides, how many times have you seen Maritsa react emotionally or throw a tantrum? She may say "you're all idiots!", but she doesn't cry and create threads specifically to bash members or does any of that petty shit some of you do (not talking about you lungs, you're sweet).
And I think I have commented on her cognition enough already. I see her as a much more credible person than many people who bash her (you know who you are). I've said many times that her Ni is outstanding, this is not just a socionics thought, she is literally brilliant in a way that only the preople who are proficient in Ni can match. I can write papers on her Te as well.
In her first few interactions with me she picked up on some of the theories I had on Socionics. She created a few threads to invite me to apply them a couple of times while she attempted to apply them herself, I mostly ignored those threads because I was quite new to the theory and still learning. I also do this for my own amusement. Maybe if she asked me in private I would have shared some of my thoughts but anyway.. I knew I was wrong on half of these assumptions, and I did drop them shortly after.
Back to Maritsa, ask someone who is not too involved in forum issues if her logic can't be sound. She makes lots of sense, she considers the arguments carefully and review her sources, and she builds her arguments well (better than any feeler I've seen on this site), yet I do disagree with a lot of what she says. Another thing that goes to her credit: she actually can type, accurately, maybe not always, but at least she can. I always remember what people type each other and other people (celebs, etc.) and I know my first impressions are probably wrong but I have them anyway. When I go back and review my first impressions guess who manages to score some points and who don't? Maritsa types reasonably well. Probably not as good as old timers such as Ashton but sometimes she ends up being the only person who typed someone right. Some people have always been wrong, always - those are the ones I have no interest in listening to their arguments. None of them even try to correct themselves and they insist on their ignorance.
Ayway, these are my true thoughts on her. I'm pretty sure she is ILI at this point, but rest assured Maritsa I will not be challenging your type outside of this post. I really don't care what you type yourself. You were hard to pin down though, I'll give you that.
Are you kidding me?She makes lots of sense, she considers the arguments carefully and review her sources, and she builds her arguments well (better than any feeler I've seen on this site),
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
No, just look at his avatar, he's very serious.
Not entirely. There was an IEE on this site who has impressed me but her name doesn't come to mind right now.
Hm. I understand why you made this thread lungs but I also feel there's something wrong with it. I don't think it's right to bully one person. Ok, she bullies us all, she's called me a bitch, which was really unpleasant but then we are all against her and she's one.
It's not I think you are a victim Martisa. But I have to say I'm somehow impressed how you persist in being active in this forum. It's somehow wasting time while sth more constructive could be done. Anyway, If I were in your shoes, I'd probably quit this forum or break down. I even felt like quiting when you called me a bitch. I somehow try to avoid environments in which people make me feel unwanted.
That is not to say you are unwanted here. I think many, many arguments revolve around you. It makes you a kind of celebrity..
I'm not so much immersed into typing people, although I think I'm more than I should be. Sometimes I think it doesn't lead anwhere. In real life knowing what person's type is has proven to be some help but also some disturbance and there are other things I should do rather than reading internet forum all the type. I feel guilty.
In general I think it's not right to attack anyone, neither Martisa nor anyone else should do it. Idk how to deal with this situation.
As for her type, hm. Maybe she's EII, maybe not. I just feel my knowledge and my experience - irl I know on average like 3-4 representatives of each type - is not enough to say something conclusive. I also haven't studied her cause enough. She does strike me as Se however, but it's the internet forum only and I'm just thinking why she would stick to INFj typing is she weren't one...
Also, I somehow feel almost the whole forum is in a state of war with Martisa so we almost unconciously negate everything she says. And when she says something stupid, while other people could get away with it, she doesn't cause we are all angry with her. And we are all angry cause she made us feel this way with her remarks, with her accusations etc.
I'd personally like this war to end.
And I'm wondering what is Martisa's and everybody else's opinion on how to do that.
I would say that Maritsa's most prominent personality traits are better described by enneagram and instinct stackings, and not her socionics type, from what I've seen of her posts. I type her as Fi-EII 2w1 so/sx and she does exhibit a wide array of fixations of social 1s and 2s.
I've taken a few excerpts from descriptions of so-1 and so-2 from here and this looks like almost an autobiographical description of what manifests of her personality on this forum:
Last edited by silke; 05-29-2012 at 10:19 AM.
Eh, I don't think this is a new thing by any means, not to me at least. I've suggested ESI for her ages ago, for similar reasons as Anndelise, Aquagraph & KrigTheViking.
You should feel honored that you're such a hot topic. You're a legend! Don't you like attention?
As for my opinion on her type, I think EII works. She's just an atypical one. Most likely heavily indoctrinated.
I thought it looked funny but the apple auto-correct didn't say anything so I thought it was just me.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
FUCK YEAH! And what was said about her not feeling she needs to test her beliefs against reality on the first page goes well with CD cognition which can get to far into itself.I don't know that this is a good argument for Maritsa being ESI, given that ESI is in the H-P cognitive style group (along with IEE, LII, and SLE); H-Ps are considered to be reflexively natural with multi-perspective thinking.
OWNEDDon't you think that people YOU aggressively re-type do the exact same thing? How can you get upset about something you do yourself?
lolavoidanceAren't you supposed to be mod; I asked someone to close this thread.
I would add "FUCKING" after "you".Are you kidding me?
lawl. Great descriptions btw, siuntal.Tell others not to take their criticism personally, but take criticism by others very personally themselves. (Lol!)
Maritsa, two things for you to pick up on from this topic!
1) According to "the people", FUCK YOU
2) You're EII
Last edited by kopyk; 05-29-2012 at 01:36 PM.
Are you maybe a bit afraid of ending up as her identical, lungs?
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
its not about being her identical, like I said, I don't have strong feelings about her and I wouldn't care if she was in my quadra (and I'm usually the first to admit these kinds of things.)
its about the reasoning. people get sick of her not listening to them and go "you're not hearing out other perspectives, you're dogmatic, you must be ne polr." I wanted to hear more fleshed out reasoning that wasn't such a rash dismissal. and to find out if that was how people typed se creative in general.
In a weird way I like the idea of being Maritsa's identical, and EII would be my other guess for her along with LSI. I hate the EII stereotypes and how they are portrayed in some articles, so her being a self-satisfied, arrogant nutcase is great counterforce for that. It reminds me of how Socionics really is a crappy religion.
As far as Maritsa's type goes, I am of two minds. On one hand, we've had conversations in the past (not recently though) that let me to feel she valued Ti. On the other hand, she SO reminds me of my EII sister that I can't say she isn't my sister's identical. So I could go either way. I don't think she's ESI though. If she doesn't value Ti, then she's probably EII.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Wow, that Type 1 SO description seems to fit so much better than anything in socionics does. Thank you for posting this, siuntal.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
I've been typing Maritsa as 1w2 rather than 2w1.
I didn't really see Maritsa is too dumb and rigid to be an Ne ego type as the trend. I thought it was more that when one sees themselves as having particular ego fcts especially & has developed an understanding over time then they may look at someone else and wonder how that person can possibly be using/expressing or even value this IME that they feel they know rather well (in addition there's the matter of what they do seem to be using/expressing instead). If there are huge communication issues & bad blood then it can further feed into the feeling (or sense or impression), but the feeling is not the be all and end all of anything (there are other considerations). All words used are just trying to get around the impression or feeling & bring it to light at that particular time. And nothing is set in stone anyway. That's my $0.02.
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