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    Default science fiction = science reality

    What do you think about this brave new world? What's next, armored T-Rexes hunting terrorists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    What do you think about this brave new world? What's next, armored T-Rexes hunting terrorists?
    We have plenty of time before that happens, we haven't even started causing fetal alcohol syndrome on purpose yet, or outlawing Shakespeare for that matter.
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    It has always happened, it will always happen - things like cars, electric lights, corrective glasses were once science fiction, and some old-timey tcaud probably said something like that ^ at his self-exporatory interest group gathering.

    Also, in a similar vein, 5 Internet Annoyances That Are Way Older Than the Internet
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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    It has always happened, it will always happen - things like cars, electric lights, corrective glasses were once science fiction, and some old-timey tcaud probably said something like that ^ at his self-exporatory interest group gathering.

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    I'm sorry but Human Barbie is just a totally different matter.

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    Someday there will be a computer which can create more intelligent computer which can create more intelligent computer ad singularitum.
    Our jobs will be replaced as even the most intelligent researcher is nothing compared to highly advanced AI. Only professions I can think of to be of use in that era are the ones that require the relatable emotional realm machines cannot provide, meaning mostly professions such as psychiatrists and prostitutes.
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    Machines can be emotional, if correctly programmed.

    People aren't going to give their jobs to machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Machines can be emotional, if correctly programmed.
    Indeed. But they still can come off as inhumane if they are manufactured. Even if they had bodies so human-like that they passed the uncanny valley, there would be still left the sentimental value for the (illusion of) authenticity perceived by the buyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    People aren't going to give their jobs to machines.
    If machines would be better than in humans cost-effect ratio, why wouldn't employers be replacing the workers with machines? It happened in agriculture which was one of the most major steps of the Industrial Era. The agriculture employed around 85% of US citizens before the Industrial Revolution. Why won't it affect on other areas such as the service sector?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    People aren't going to give their jobs to machines.
    You tell 'em, Luddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Indeed. But they still can come off as inhumane if they are manufactured. Even if they had bodies so human-like that they passed the uncanny valley, there would be still left the sentimental value for the (illusion of) authenticity perceived by the buyer.

    If machines would be better than in humans cost-effect ratio, why wouldn't employers be replacing the workers with machines? It happened in agriculture which was one of the most major steps of the Industrial Era. The agriculture employed around 85% of US citizens before the Industrial Revolution. Why won't it affect on other areas such as the service sector?
    Because #1, humans are cheaper than machines, and #2, lack of upward mobility causes revolts.

    I did the research and your self-modifying computer is a bunch of bullshit.

    If there were more SLIs here, they would be taking you to task for this. I'm sure the deltas can offer a long-winded defense of function, purpose, and meaningful living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Because #1, humans are cheaper than machines,
    Which is why everything is still mostly manufactured by hand.

    Oh, wait. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Because #1, humans are cheaper than machines,
    So why did agriculture sector lose so many jobs?
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    #2, lack of upward mobility causes revolts.
    Explicate further, please.

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    I did the research and your self-modifying computer is a bunch of bullshit.
    So did you falsify the technological singularity theory? Prove negatives much?
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    It doesn't matter because it doesn't take into the effect the political factor. People want jobs, they just don't want to do jobs that are uncomfortable.

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    Auquagraph you need to obtain some values of your own. Pining for destruction achieves nothing: the man who can end chaos is nothing if he is so in love with it that he refuses to take action against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    It doesn't matter because it doesn't take into the effect the political factor. People want jobs, they just don't want to do jobs that are uncomfortable.
    They will develop hobbies and interests, not jobs which most of the time are uncomfortable. Or do you know someone who would go to work unpaid? Jobs are what you do when you need currency. Interests are the things you spend your currency on with an excited grin on your face. Our interests can earn us currency but then they are likely artistic. But you really don't need much on the era where everything is available with self-maintaining advanced AI and the technology around it.

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    Auquagraph you need to obtain some values of your own. Pining for destruction achieves nothing: the man who can end chaos is nothing if he is so in love with it that he refuses to take action against it.
    What are you talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    They will develop hobbies and interests, not jobs which most of the time are uncomfortable. Or do you know someone who would go to work unpaid? Jobs are what you do when you need currency. Interests are the things you spend your currency on with an excited grin on your face. Our interests can earn us currency but then they are likely artistic. But you really don't need much on the era where everything is available with self-maintaining advanced AI and the technology around it.
    I know many people who would work unpaid. Before money was invented, people worked both because they had to and for the satisfaction of helping others. The real reason for money's existence is to facilitate work. That's why it was invented. However its creation aroused the potential for greed.

    What are you talking about.
    Think about it.

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    Okay, you're set on your beliefs and I can't convey anything you could consider.
    Everyone will have a job because people just fucking love jobs to help people in things that could have been accomplished with a machine. Fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Think about it.
    Try this new thing called communication since you are the one who seems to have an idea of what you are talking about.
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    Ask a doctor whether they would do their job if they didn't get paid for it. Most would say "yes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Ask a doctor whether they would do their job if they didn't get paid for it. Most world say "yes".
    Nice statistics you have there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravolez View Post
    Nice statistics you have there.
    We don't need stats, because today's doctors are the heirs to the medicine men of the past.

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    So ... you are implying that medicine men in the past got nothing for applying their skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Ask a doctor whether they would do their job if they didn't get paid for it. Most would say "yes".
    Maybe. Still have my doubts. Ask representatives of other occupations and most will say "no".
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    What do you think about this brave new world? What's next, armored T-Rexes hunting terrorists?
    Armored T-Rexes seem like an extremely complex way to wage war, if we had the technology to create a T-Rex from DNA extrapolated and then the ability to train it, you think people would have mastered much more direct methods of attacking each other. You think they would have solved the problem of terrorists maybe even diplomatically.

    A much more likely future I think would to master storing genetic information on electronic devices, then have a machine that quantum mechanically would assemble strands of dna based of the way these structures naturally develop in living organisms, maybe copy the structure of a biological enzyme which is used in translation or transcription. Then feed in data to this structure using quantum computing and storage. Essentially writting out a strand of dna.

    Then the part I'm hazy on, is find some way to inject this dna into cells and tissues, possibly stem cells using a protein capsule to deliver the dna (like a virus). Anyways if you had this technology, the ability to transform a genetic sequence into a strand of dna, and then inject that dna into an embroyo or something of some sort, it would be possible to construct a living organism. You could store a virtual library of the genetic sequences of thousands of animals, and then when the sun explodes, transfer this library to other areas. It's possible to even probe space with dna collectors that could transcribe the dna of simple organisms, and route this information back to a central station. You could collect information on thousands of organisms. That would seem like the height of biological engineering. Maybe even take a snapshot of someone's state at a given time, maybe like forming a hologram, use some kind of quantum symmetry to record their state at a given time, so you could recreate someone at a given state in time. Of course there are problems even with the existence... if its possible to create another you, then it brings into question the nature of a soul, scientifically quantum transcribation would require "observing" every particle that they are composed off and this is impossible without disturbing the state of every particle and thus causing the wave function to collapse to a new state. Building something in that state may tell you where something is but it won't tell you where it is going, what state it is going to, this is dependent on the nature of the matter used to construct the person and the method.

    So now you not only need to ask where is every thing but where is every thing going, your trying to transplant spacetime because its connected, you're trying to snip a little piece of the string and move it over to another location, you can't do that without a 5 dimension to circumnavigate, you can't enter and exit two frames of spacetime without transgressing into that 5th dimension. You can only move up and down the dimension of time. Learning to control 5 dimensions would be required, to first bend spacetime, and then to splice it and weave it, or maybe vibrate it. To understand what makes it bend, vibrate and so forth. Maybe there is a way to transmit a signal or pulse down spacetime that oscillates in the 5th dimension, a delta function spike that when it arrives at a certain moment it gives an awareness of all spacetime as it would alter the string so as to make two point closer than they normally were.

    Though its all well beyond me, just speculating.

    6 dimensions, you could tie a knot with time and pull on both ends of the string to draw an entire length of time into a singularity, this would be a practical method of instantaneous time travel.

    Entering the 7 dimension you would have multiple universes with multiple laws of physics, maybe different strength of fundamental forces, different expansion or contraction of the universe, different curvature of spacetime based on the influence of mass, it may curve in a completely opposite direction, instead of expanding from a bang, it could be contracting to a point. 9 dimensions would allow for these entire universes to be draw together like a string and formed to a singularity, bridging two universes together. Maybe the contraction of one universe conincides with the expansion of another, some kind of alignment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Armored T-Rexes seem like an extremely complex way to wage war, if we had the technology to create a T-Rex from DNA extrapolated and then the ability to train it, you think people would have mastered much more direct methods of attacking each other. You think they would have solved the problem of terrorists maybe even diplomatically.
    Hah, someone actually answered that one! The same applies to mecha bots. It's just not wise to make war machinery walk on two legs.
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    @tcaud, in TED there are some interesting talks regarding motivation and how the size of financial rewards or their absence affects it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravolez View Post
    @tcaud, in TED there are some interesting talks regarding motivation and how the size of financial rewards or their absence affects it.

    I found this interesting.
    Check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravolez View Post
    Well there you go: dual-types offer the model for intrinsic motivation in the work place. Intrinsic motivation suggests dual-types and dual-types suggest intrinsic motivation.

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    tcaudilllg, you need more connection with reality I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
     
    I'd totally.. ..plug her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    I'd totally.. ..plug her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Photoshopped image.
    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
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    oh my god...really??????

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    Hey Anglas I heard you're a gay facking cunt wanting to kill JWC3 with comedians.

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    Sorry I run out of alcoholism jokes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    Sorry I run out of alcoholism jokes
    Nah, it's okay. I thought you're going to say something else. You're so predictable it hurts but no worries korpsey, I'm going to find you even in hell. Ran Forest, ran.

    And it is ran out not run out.

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