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    Default If you are anti-gay, you do not understand Christianity

    Agree?

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    Agreed. Also reflects a shoddy understanding of the Bible, more than anything. So when the Bible is used as a basis (and the real only basis) for being anti-gay, it asks for many facepalms.

    And I'll be fair to admit I listened to other people and their interpretation of the Bible when I was a religious extremist back in the day, but it doesn't excuse my own idiocy.
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    True, if your views are those of following "Christian" beliefs. True Christianity based on biblical scripture is not anti-gay, with the proper message taken. Unfortunately, alot (perhaps most) "Christians" listen to what others tell them to believe vs. reading and trying to understand the Bible.
    But, you can be anti-gay without your ideas being linked to "Christianity" at all, although I find it highly unlikely in this country. In this case, "Christianity" would have nothing to do with an anti-gay stance.
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    Nope.

    + who even cares religion is a horrible disease that needs to be gotten rid of.

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    Biblical story of Sodom is misinterpreted for starters.

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    Anti-gay, yes. Anti-gay people, no.

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    http://www.timschraeder.com/2010/06/...-at-gay-pride/

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    I saw you joining that Gay/Straight alliance group on facebook tcaud. I thought that was so cute. =)

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    This is maybe getting a little old, but..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Anti-gay, yes. Anti-gay people, no.
    I think a better way to phrase this is that believing homosexuality is wrong is not at all in conflict with the Bible. Treating someone badly because they are homosexual is completely in conflict with it, as we're told to love people regardless of how we feel about their beliefs or actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    religion is a horrible disease that needs to be gotten rid of.
    To destroy religion*, you must destroy faith.

    To destroy faith, you must destroy humankind.



    *and all its equivalents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    To destroy religion*, you must destroy faith.

    To destroy faith, you must destroy humankind.



    *and all its equivalents
    I think we're at a point where there is no cultural necessity for a centralized religion. I think it's fine to have faith, in fact it's more than fine; it's human. It bothers me when this faith is assumed to hold equal importance for every individual. I don't think that's true. It may be useful for some people but not necessarily for everyone. Whatever floats your boat. The idea of a "universal" God and the homogeneity of belief might have historically had a major part in tying together individuals/groups under a common umbrella, but like I said, we're past the point culturally where -- at least in more educated regions of the world -- religion is not the primary factor in deciding which social group we belong to.

    If there's a need for a substitute then maybe we need to reach out to a more personal God, a deity that speaks to your sense of right and wrong, and doesn't impose that onto others, a deity that recognizes the subjectivity of interpretation, who doesn't assume that norms would never change, who doesn't assume knowledge of science (later to be proven wrong). And which may take take you to your own personal heaven.

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    The conflict preventers will always promote religion. They couldn't bear the grief otherwise.

    Fortunately, Jesus was a decently smart dude. And quite manipulative.

    The key is to recognize that sin isn't a problem, because Jesus has already given his life. Thus, all sin in nullified. So homosexuality is a sin. Who cares now that Jesus is dead, and arisen?

    The problem is pride, particularly the pride of positivist extremists (i.e. fundies). These people cannot bear association with sin, and as such, they condemn those who commit sin. But because Jesus has already redeemed man, sin is irrelevant. There is only the individual nature of the person, which is to play out in concert with other such natures. The tale of human history, in other words.

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    If you braid your hair, or eat shellfish, or wear clothes of mixtures of two types of fabric, you are also sinning according to the Bible. Just stop worrying about what other people are doing that might or might not be a sin. Live your own life and stop fretting about other people's lives so much. Even if God does view it as a sin, it isn't your job to judge and punish for it. MOVE ON. LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Agree?
    Absolutely not, There are plenty of religions that condemn homosexuality, not just Christianity as well as plenty of people who condemn homosexuality with no religious background at all.
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    as well as plenty of people who condemn homosexuality with no religious background at all.
    I think that's an important fact for people to remember. I think the gay rights movement can kinda treat religious people unfairly sometimes. I remember one time I had this assholeish athiest kid say to my face that he thought homosexuality was a mental disease and that "Many professional psychologists agreed with him." I mean he seriously said that to my face, in real life. .

    Religious nutjobs are an easy target because they tend to have the IQ of a gnat, but there are plenty of anti-gay people that actually have high intelligence levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    This is maybe getting a little old, but..

    Hahaha I like this a lot. Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I think that's an important fact for people to remember. I think the gay rights movement can kinda treat religious people unfairly sometimes. I remember one time I had this assholeish athiest kid say to my face that he thought homosexuality was a mental disease and that "Many professional psychologists agreed with him." I mean he seriously said that to my face, in real life. .

    Religious nutjobs are an easy target because they tend to have the IQ of a gnat, but there are plenty of anti-gay people that actually have high intelligence levels.
    I mean I think that's part of living in Michigan. I was doing a Haunted Hay Ride once, as an actor, and one of the kids says: "You're into theatre? Do you know any of those homos? I hate homos. Cept lesbians."

    I mean outside of specific niches I feel like it's a fairly intolerant state regardless of intelligence.
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    Christianity replaces the tedious and combersome laws of the old testiment. The whole message and clear glass view of Christianity and my view of it is this:

    God loves you
    You should love God
    You should love your neighbor like you want to be loved.

    I want my gay neighbors to love me as a Christian or any other human. It's interesting when you look at people through a clear glass with very little clutter of laws and other things that you want to make to suppress their civil rights isn't it?

    I honestly don't think that these extreme so called Christian Fundamentalists realize that when they advocate an amendment to the First Const. banning gay marriage that what they are really asking for in return is that it would be okay for someone else to make limitations on their own freedom; how about something like "take my kids away if I don't meet your expectations of me."

    My opinion; keep wiping the fog off your window and maybe that will help you think better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Agree?
    I agree; if you're anti-gay not only do you not understand Christianity, but you're not Christian. You can start towing your bible around, thump your feet, shout and declare your Christianity to the world. YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

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    I quite liked the ad campaign the parishes of Helsinki had a few years ago here

    "Jesus digs you unconditionally"

    ("Jesse" is a slang nickname for jesus, but i couldn't think of an English equilevant)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I agree; if you're anti-gay not only do you not understand Christianity, but you're not Christian. You can start towing your bible around, thump your feet, shout and declare your Christianity to the world. YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.
    Do you even know what a Christian is? If you aren't a Christian, you shouldn't claim to know more about it than the Christians do. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Changing God's design is wrong. And what would throwing a Bible accomplish?


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    Do you like black people? OOOOOhhhh tricky huh? Well, you better start thinking about that, girlfriend.
    Why wouldn't I like black people? They're rare around these parts and I can't help but look with fascination when I see someone truly black, but it's nothing I have to think about. They're just as likely to be good or bad as anyone else.

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    I don't know whether someone finds this interesting or not, but here goes nothing.

    There are nine outer behaviours which one might call "sins". Those behaviours are not exactly sins is what I mean.

    Who is Not in the Kingdom - and Never Was, hence Shall not Inherit the Kingdom literally means not-right with the self as in un-righteous and of course, it was misinterpreted to mean "moral" like most things in the Bible.

    St. Paul used the word Thanatos to refer to those people, people manifesting those nine outer behaviours.

    Furthermore Seven Deadly Sins don't mean what you think they mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Christianity replaces the tedious and combersome laws of the old testiment.
    You need spellcheck.

    The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament. It continues the story.

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    Furthermore Seven Deadly Sins don't mean what you think they mean.
    I think they mean "seven things you should avoid." Am I close?

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I think they mean "seven things you should avoid." Am I close?
    Nope. I'm going to mention a couple only.

    Greed - A person can have many material things and not be greedy. It boils down to the way a person wants, nothing is ever enough, nothing satisfies.

    And,

    Lust - this one is the most misunderstood and distorted actually. In Timothy, Paul states that anyone preventing the natural union of male and female, or preaching against it, is a demon. He says the same thing about people preaching against the consumption of animal meat.

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    Paul, who was named Saul, was an ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Paul, who was named Saul, was an ass.
    Well yes, I'm not exactly the biggest fan of him, although, Paul was a Hellenic Jew, well versed in literature so he knew and could distinguish Thanatos from Zoos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    You need spellcheck.

    The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament. It continues the story.
    That was a mistake, it didn't replace it because Jesus said that not one word of the old Test. should be changed; however, he did add two new things that is that you should love God and that you should love your neighbors as you would want to be loved.

    So, how can anyone stand to shout mean things at gay people with their anti-gay rights slogans and still say they love them? Isn't this sinister?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Do you even know what a Christian is? If you aren't a Christian, you shouldn't claim to know more about it than the Christians do. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Changing God's design is wrong. And what would throwing a Bible accomplish?
    That's really a pathetic argument, isn't it. You change God's design every day with your interest in technological equipment, like using a fridge.


    The Bible doesn't mention the internet, abortions, etc...stop using them, please.

    Jesus Christ doesn't mention homosexuality. How come when Christians are justifying anti-homosexuality or ANY prejudice, they don't quote what Jesus said? Isn't Jesus the word of Christianity?


    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Why wouldn't I like black people? They're rare around these parts and I can't help but look with fascination when I see someone truly black, but it's nothing I have to think about. They're just as likely to be good or bad as anyone else.

    Yes, I'm racist. But we're all still the human race. It's those orcs I'm prejudiced against.
    Christians, at one point or another, have made every excuse in the world to hate one people or another; so I guess now it's the gay people's turn? Oh, I'm sure if Christians had crosses, they would crucify gay people and burn people in the name of God all over again. This is really a behavior fitting of a Christian, isn't it?

    Amongst all this hate, I'm really surprised that Christians don't do one thing that Jesus did which was to love and take care of the POOR, in fact, conservative Christians have had very little inanition but to elect those candidates who were against supporting the poor with their anti Social agenda as we can see with the Republican party, yet again.
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    What if I'm pro-human and I dont care about Christianity.

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    This picture is not criticism. I thought it was just fairly amusing.

    If I want to get academic on the term Christian, I usually define that a Christian is a person who signs everything in Nicene Creed.
    I also understand when some outcasts express their beliefs to be Christian, but I usually refer to many of these beliefs to be Christian-based, such as .

    Maritsa and DA, you are both Christians and Jesus wouldn't want you to denounce the Christianity of your sisters in faith. You only have different stance on what Bible the (and the culture around?) it says about it.


    I am very familiar with the common arguments and I can't really tell which way things should be. I simply want gay marriage to be okay with the most of people.
    But I'm not a Christian so I haven't really thought in all the ways the New Testament updates the Old Testament. I simply just think it's a bit bizarre.

    Quote Originally Posted by God through the Old Testament to New Testament
    Here, Eve and Adam people have a life.

    Oh how could you eat that apple? I gave you EVERYTHING. Well I didn't trust you anyways cos I should have known. Oh wait I did since I'm omniscient.Well, here have some blood from between your legs, woman. And man you must toil in the fields until industrial revolution. Unless you are just wealthy land owner. Oh, and so must your descendants. Which is all of humanity.
    And so shall my reign with wrath for few thousand years. Here have some boils, floods, death and vermin.

    And then I put send figurehead side to Earth. You know the hippie who got his place because he's my son with good PR skills?
    He can make some nicer rules, but I don't want to seem soft. You know with the "good cop bad cop" thing going on there.

    I guess the humanity owes me for eating from my special tree. I'll guess I'll kill my avatar,respawn it, let him say goodbye and then beam him back up. That seems like a fair amount of payment for their inherited debt.
    I would just be real happy for many if the society would let priests decide their own stance on it and individual priests could wed people if they saw it fit with the teachings of Bible. But I don't really care because I the following do not concern me:
    -marriage
    -Christianity

    But I don't have any single strong view on what would Jesus do or say.

    I'm just real happy that Christianity alienates more and more people as people can't marry their preferred gender.
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    You know who made the internet? Some pro gay, atheist. So stop using it if you are a so called Christian who wants to fallow the word of God/Jesus and want to follow his design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament. It continues the story.
    Upgrade? 2.0? What do you think that changes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    You know who made the internet? Some pro gay, atheist. So stop using it if you are a so called Christian who wants to fallow the word of God/Jesus and want to follow his design.
    Umm, can we have someone else to be the counter debate to Abbie on the pro gay marriage side? Maybe someone who actually contributes credibility than sucks it off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Upgrade? 2.0? What do you think that changes?


    Umm, can we have someone else to be the counter debate to Abbie on the pro gay marriage side? Maybe someone who actually contributes credibility than sucks it off?
    I did. It's called the "Get a life, not someone else's" argument, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Do you even know what a Christian is? If you aren't a Christian, you shouldn't claim to know more about it than the Christians do. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Changing God's design is wrong. And what would throwing a Bible accomplish?
    First of all, God didn't design shit. Before Judaism came around, people sanctified their affection by humping in a cave for a few weeks on end. WE decided there should be rings and legal contracts and tax breaks involved. So break that shit off.

    I WAS a Christian, raised by a priest, surrounded and consumed by Christianity for the first 12 years of my life, from a family that has been Christian for as long as the damn Pope's family, and I can tell you for sure: if you reject ANYONE on the FACE of this planet, and would turn your back before turning the other cheek, you are no damn Christian.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I think I lost faith when I saw Jesus on the side of a Harley in church in Sturgis, SD when I was 5, lol. At around 10 or so, I thought the idea of a God watching you was perverted, lol. Fuck that.

    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    So, how can anyone stand to shout mean things at gay people with their anti-gay rights slogans and still say they love them? Isn't this sinister?
    Shouting at gays is rude. Just inform them that they're sinning and get on with life.

    I figure since there's no such thing as gay marriage (I don't care what politics say. It's impossible.), gay sex is the same thing as sex out of wedlock. And that's bad.

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    conservative Christians have had very little inanition but to elect those candidates who were against supporting the poor with their anti Social agenda as we can see with the Republican party, yet again.
    You bet I'm against the government supporting the poor! That just encourages people not to bother trying. If people actually need help, there are plenty of helpful people and organizations not associated with the government that can assist them.

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    That's really a pathetic argument, isn't it. You change God's design every day with your interest in technological equipment, like using a fridge.
    No. God designed us to be creative and productive and take care of our bodies. Someone created the refrigerator as a machine that will do the job of preserving food so we don't end up eating stuff that has gone bad. By "God's design" I don't mean how the world should be, but how it should work.

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Paul, who was named Saul, was an ass.
    I think he was a .

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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