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    Any opinions on conspiracy behind the conspiracy - if so, then feel free to voice your opinion on the matter

    For example, mind control, is a process of eradicating former beliefs and instituting new beliefs in their place through the use of coercive persuasion. It is a process which is designed to break a person's independence and individuality and replace it with the ideology clone. The Chinese called this process "thought reform".

    You might be interested in it Pa3s, and Jimbean.

    Anyway, it was very poorly translated into English as "brain-washing" and brain-washing is now considered to be a different process to thought reform or mind control, but it's not the point I'm trying to make.

    Point I'm trying to make is, doesn't it apply at least on a superficial level to a socionics community? I mean, if you can control behaviour, then hearts and mind will follow.

    Moroever, indoctrination of members is so thorough that they will manipulate their own thought processes. The ideology is internalised as "the truth". Incoming information is filtered through the beliefs which also regulates how this information is thought about.

    The cult has it's own language which further regulates how a person thinks. This puts a great barrier between cult members and outsiders.

    Sue me.
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    Oh come on, talk conspiracy behind the conspiracy with me.

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    Soicionics was fabricated by the Russian royal family in the late 1890's and planted as four discrete memes in Austria, Lithuania, Poland and Equatorial Guinea. The royals had realised that a socialist uprising was inevitsble and they had planted the memes with the intention that they would come to fruition in the form of socionics, dividing the workers into quadras. These divisions would aid the royals in contininge their hegemony without appearing to directly influence the new socionic "classes". However the royal family failed to take into account Dr Henry Augustus Rowland's theory of Earths Magnetism of 1900, this theory delayed the meme migration and therefore discovery of socionic typology theory by decades.

    Thje question is, was Dr Rowlands discovery a flash of individual genius, or something else? What about the Russina fabrication, did they really come up with the idea of socionics alone? Both of these discoveries makes little sense, it is highly unlikely that the Russinas had the capabilities to invent such a theory as they were all potato drunk and Rowland was noted as being an "average mind at best". From working as a secret postman for the Liberian civil service, I have documents that prove that socionics was in fact planted in the minds of the Russina Royal family by french martians from a galaxy that they call "Marseille", and that Dr Rowland was fed the information regarding his "discovery" through a special "brain straw" by pink lizards in a south London pub. Documents seen by me show that they are in a permanant war with the french martians, which they call "the world cup". The pink lizards are of unknown origin but it is known that they refer to themselves as "blah blah blah" and humans as "sex things". They like brian straws, romantic walks by the sea and having sex with "sex things"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Any opinions on conspiracy behind the conspiracy - if so, then feel free to voice your opinion on the matter

    For example, mind control, is a process of eradicating former beliefs and instituting new beliefs in their place through the use of coercive persuasion. It is a process which is designed to break a person's independence and individuality and replace it with the ideology clone. The Chinese called this process "thought reform".

    You might be interested in it Pa3s, and Jimbean.

    Anyway, it was very poorly translated into English as "brain-washing" and brain-washing is now considered to be a different process to thought reform or mind control, but it's not the point I'm trying to make.

    Point I'm trying to make is, doesn't it apply at least on a superficial level to a socionics community? I mean, if you can control behaviour, then hearts and mind will follow.

    Moroever, indoctrination of members is so thorough that they will manipulate their own thought processes. The ideology is internalised as "the truth". Incoming information is filtered through the beliefs which also regulates how this information is thought about.

    The cult has it's own language which further regulates how a person thinks. This puts a great barrier between cult members and outsiders.

    Sue me.
    I get what you're saying and brainwashing conspiracy is one way to interpret it, but I think that's a little extreme. The thing is our personalities are pretty complex overall with many intricacies and all Socionics does is try to illustrate a semantic map of basic personality patterns. The problem is the personality being mapped is merely a "skeleton" or "shell" of the true deeper personality since it leaves out many important facets. So Socionics is good in that it gives a general overview of basic personality patterns, but that's also what is bad about it since it sacrifices the deeper layers of a person's personality so you end up with caricatures in a sense. The enneagram and instinctual stackings do fill in some of the holes, but even then there will be unmapped areas. So I don't think it's deliberate brainwashing or a conspiracy, but I don't think it's completely innocent either because it attempts to explain something, which only be explained partially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Moroever, indoctrination of members is so thorough that they will manipulate their own thought processes. The ideology is internalised as "the truth". Incoming information is filtered through the beliefs which also regulates how this information is thought about.

    The cult has it's own language which further regulates how a person thinks. This puts a great barrier between cult members and outsiders.
    Yes, I agree. And I really dislike that barrier that gets created when the system gets adopted by its "followers", especially the ones that form strong personal "beliefs" and as you said regard it as "the truth" and mentally structure their actions and behavior accordingly. And when someone tries to explain to themselves or find an excuse for some person's behavior or their relationships strictly through Socionics, it becomes almost like religion. So I don't see it as a conspiracy, but more like a theoretical construct (intangible concept) which came to exist as a byproduct of scientific and non-scientific research and whose "power" depends on how and to what degree it gets adopted/internalized/whatever.

    I, personally, at the end of the day, don't believe in shit. It's what I can see, hear, smell, taste and touch in my immediate environment that I trust, and the factual information I can recall from memory. I am by no means immune to external influence and mind games, but I try to restrain myself from making decisions and acting on believes I have no tangible connection to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I think that's a little extreme.
    It is extreme, no doubt about it, and it was my intention to make it sound like that.

    The thing is our personalities are pretty complex overall with many intricacies and all Socionics does is try to illustrate a semantic map of basic personality patterns.
    I'm not after socionics as some evil to be vanquished and eradicated or something - far from that. Just wanted to point out how groups within this socionics community operate. During this process the prospective recruit is re-educated and will abandon the precepts he has learnt from life for the "truth" or "enlightenment" offered by the group. In some cults this is done over a long period of time.

    Other cults can bring about this change within 48 hours. Whichever way the process takes place the results are the same. The individual has undergone a total change in personality and is often unrecognisable by their friends who knew him in the past a completely different person, not to mention family. And this is what happens to few members on this board - they change accordingly with the doctrine, the more emotionally susceptible, I mean.

    So I don't think it's deliberate brainwashing or a conspiracy, but I don't think it's completely innocent either because it attempts to explain something, which only be explained partially.
    Well, I created this thread tongue-in-cheek. It's half-serious, I think, plus I got answers ranging from absurd to more serious ones. This is what I actually expected, so it is fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    Yes, I agree. And I really dislike that barrier that gets created when the system gets adopted by its "followers", especially the ones that form strong personal "beliefs" and as you said regard it as "the truth" and mentally structure their actions and behavior accordingly.
    Haha. This is going to be tongue-in-cheek again.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are a classical example of a closed community living within and mixing with the wider community. In Jehovah's Witnesses:

    1) You could "go beyond the 'truth' - beyond what they taught. This showed you were thinking for yourself and put yourself above leadership. Those moving ahead of the Organisation are counselled (that I saw on my own eyes on this board)

    2) No gatherings other than those allowed or organised by organisation (Tinychat, IRC, etc.)

    3) Only comments from the study articles are permitted. No independent thinking is permitted.

    4) And so on.

    Anyone reading this, bare in mind this is half-serious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    It is extreme, no doubt about it, and it was my intention to make it sound like that.
    Gotcha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    I'm not after socionics as some evil to be vanquished and eradicated or something - far from that. Just wanted to point out how groups within this socionics community operate. During this process the prospective recruit is re-educated and will abandon the precepts he has learnt from life for the "truth" or "enlightenment" offered by the group. In some cults this is done over a long period of time.

    Other cults can bring about this change within 48 hours. Whichever way the process takes place the results are the same. The individual has undergone a total change in personality and is often unrecognisable by their friends who knew him in the past a completely different person, not to mention family. And this is what happens to few members on this board - they change accordingly with the doctrine, the more emotionally susceptible, I mean.
    I won't deny that Socionics produces a change in one's perception of people in that one is now perceiving people with a semantic map for modes of behaviour where the mode of perception was previously pure. The fact that everyone within the community shares the belief that their system is accurate and based on reality and that outsiders are unaware of this reality does point to a somewhat cult-like nature, but only superficially at best. I guess for most people Socionics is fine, but for some people it can have some negative side effects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Well, I created this thread tongue-in-cheek. It's half-serious, I think, plus I got answers ranging from absurd to more serious ones. This is what I actually expected, so it is fine.
    I figured that.
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    If you think socionics is bad, in my experience, supersocionics drives some people insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    The fact that everyone within the community shares the belief that their system is accurate and based on reality and that outsiders are unaware of this reality does point to a somewhat cult-like nature, but only superficially at best.
    Yes, superficially. That's what I wrote in my first post.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    If you think socionics is bad.
    I don't think it is bad nor good, it's just a theory. How it is handled might be seen in those terms, but I'm not dealing in moral sensitivities. Wrong number.

    In my experience, supersocionics drives some people insane.
    That I noticed.

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