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    I can't maintain focus on detail; often reading what I expect to see rather than what is there.

    How does it work? Fill me in!

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    Interestingly enough, I seem to suffer from the same problem.

    I keep trying to step back and look at the big picture, then gloss over details that may or may not fit that big picture.

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    Suppressing Se in favor or Ni, when you're using Ni. Then you become aware that you've overlooked Se and I don't know what that makes you feel, but when I notice that I'm not organizing I scramble and go overboard, but it's a big fail because I'm really not good with that function.

    It's a feeling that produces the statement, "oh, god, I'm still not able to achieve this even though I realize it, yet I haven't gotten it right."

    You try to maintain focus on Se, as I do to Te, but when it's a DS function, ultimately it's an incapability, hence DS

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    It'll get easier to pay attention to things as you get older.

    Frankly, you won't have a choice.

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    You can try using the pomodoro technique to retain focus for some time especially if the activity you need to focus on does not require team work.
    It works for me cause it consists of 25 minute sprints which are quite achievable and it gives me kind of a short term goals which is what I usually need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I can't maintain focus on detail; often reading what I expect to see rather than what is there.

    How does it work? Fill me in!
    I always make a lot of mistakes at my job because of missing details. When something has to be filled in (a paper or database) I always forget some, or put some data in the wrong place. It's my nr 1 weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I can't maintain focus on detail; often reading what I expect to see rather than what is there.

    How does it work? Fill me in!
    intuition?

    there was a debate in video of what seemed like an LSE preesnter discussing a theological essay written by an LIE. he said that the LIE writer is full of shit because he didn't name all of the historical facts and left out some references and speaking purely from supposition in LSE's view. in his words this was inadmissible.

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    the stupid irony here is that the russians describe intp as the characteristically detail minded type. somebody has to go back to the drawing board.

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    Looking back at this thread I'm amazed how detail poor most of the responses were that they accidentally misconstrued 'Lacking detail focus: sic, the number was exactly 42,412' for 'Lacking attention: sic, I'm day dreaming again'.

    With direct sarcasm, I can only gather that all types are crap at reading what is put in front of their faces. gg friends.

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    descriptions like to focus on celebrity ILIs like Sartre and Balzac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I can't maintain focus on detail; often reading what I expect to see rather than what is there.

    How does it work? Fill me in!
    uhh… wait…. I don't know if this answers your question but reading what you expect to see has more to do with your right brain using lexical expectation rather than your left brain using phonological mode for reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Looking back at this thread I'm amazed how detail poor most of the responses were that they accidentally misconstrued 'Lacking detail focus: sic, the number was exactly 42,412' for 'Lacking attention: sic, I'm day dreaming again'.

    With direct sarcasm, I can only gather that all types are crap at reading what is put in front of their faces. gg friends.
    if you aren't lacking in attention and escaping into dreams, how come don't you see what's there and substitute for it from your imagination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    if you aren't lacking in attention and escaping into dreams, how come don't you see what's there and substitute for it from your imagination?
    Because I can't hold precise details, e.g. numbers, how to exactly do something. But I can hold onto stories and the 'order of things' very easily?

    I don't understand really, there are a lot of negatives in your post, so I wasn't sure what you were asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Because I can't hold precise details, e.g. numbers, how to exactly do something. But I can hold onto stories and the 'order of things' very easily?

    I don't understand really, there are a lot of negatives in your post, so I wasn't sure what you were asking?
    don't you need to remember some detail to tell a story? how do you fill it in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    don't you need to remember some detail to tell a story? how do you fill it in?
    Well, you fill in the blanks with something you can see fitting properly.

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    I took a neuroscience class this last year and my brain is just going all autistic with some of the posts in this thread. I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what your problem is. I'll just discuss what I know. I'm fairly sure everyone is bad at focusing on detail if they aren't interested in whatever it is they are focusing on. That said, I think there are varying levels of conscientiousness that helps with keeping track of detail, which I believe is type related. My LSI brother is one of the most detail oriented people I know. I seriously have no clue how he does it. He is right up there with the LII valedictorian of my class in high school. Based on my personal experience Ti-doms are some of the most detail oriented people. I think those types just have a tendency to develop conscientiousness at a younger age due to who knows what? devalued Ni, maybe? Maybe devalued Te? Perhaps some social phenomenon? It seems to me that Ni is very much a day dreaming, big picture function. It has no use for small details and Te only would if those details serve a purpose for them.

    I'm very strange with details. If a test asks me a question concerning details, I will just scour my different types of memory until I've found the answer. Like I will sit and stare at that question until some sort of cue is triggered that allows me to at least infer the answer. That's also how I study for tests: by just finding different ways to store information whether its mnemonic, visual, repeating it back to me, or what have you. I only do that for remembering things I know I will have to remember, when it's larger bodies of information I'm a bit lazier but I still stick to that method. I'm only good with details in that I'm compulsive about them. If I write a paper I will spend hours upon hours until everything is finely tuned and to my liking.

    In terms of remembering details in the short term, apparently working memory is something that is set at birth and there is no way to change it. Different people have better or worse working memory and I would figure this would correspond to retention of detail.

    Our long term memory is actually very bad with details. Even if we are self assured that we know the details we will often times be wrong. Few outliers aside of course.

    Did that answer any of your questions?

    When you talk about holding precise details, do you mean when you intentionally try to hold them or unintentionally retaining them and trying to recall them later? The former deals with working memory. The latter is something everyone is probably bad at (though in varying degrees).

    Memory in the brain is stored diffusely with types of memories corresponding to certain brain areas. Like visual memory is stored in the inferotemporal cortex I believe. Prefrontal cortex deals with working memory and is responsible for remembering the 'order of things' such as a cook using a recipe.

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    reading is optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Dude, shut the fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuralia View Post
    I took a neuroscience class this last year and my brain is just going all autistic with some of the posts in this thread. I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what your problem is. I'll just discuss what I know. I'm fairly sure everyone is bad at focusing on detail if they aren't interested in whatever it is they are focusing on. That said, I think there are varying levels of conscientiousness that helps with keeping track of detail, which I believe is type related. My LSI brother is one of the most detail oriented people I know. I seriously have no clue how he does it. He is right up there with the LII valedictorian of my class in high school. Based on my personal experience Ti-doms are some of the most detail oriented people. I think those types just have a tendency to develop conscientiousness at a younger age due to who knows what? devalued Ni, maybe? Maybe devalued Te? Perhaps some social phenomenon? It seems to me that Ni is very much a day dreaming, big picture function. It has no use for small details and Te only would if those details serve a purpose for them.

    I'm very strange with details. If a test asks me a question concerning details, I will just scour my different types of memory until I've found the answer. Like I will sit and stare at that question until some sort of cue is triggered that allows me to at least infer the answer. That's also how I study for tests: by just finding different ways to store information whether its mnemonic, visual, repeating it back to me, or what have you. I only do that for remembering things I know I will have to remember, when it's larger bodies of information I'm a bit lazier but I still stick to that method. I'm only good with details in that I'm compulsive about them. If I write a paper I will spend hours upon hours until everything is finely tuned and to my liking.

    In terms of remembering details in the short term, apparently working memory is something that is set at birth and there is no way to change it. Different people have better or worse working memory and I would figure this would correspond to retention of detail.

    Our long term memory is actually very bad with details. Even if we are self assured that we know the details we will often times be wrong. Few outliers aside of course.

    Did that answer any of your questions?

    When you talk about holding precise details, do you mean when you intentionally try to hold them or unintentionally retaining them and trying to recall them later? The former deals with working memory. The latter is something everyone is probably bad at (though in varying degrees).

    Memory in the brain is stored diffusely with types of memories corresponding to certain brain areas. Like visual memory is stored in the inferotemporal cortex I believe. Prefrontal cortex deals with working memory and is responsible for remembering the 'order of things' such as a cook using a recipe.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Because I can't hold precise details, e.g. numbers, how to exactly do som
    Usually that's just because you didn't put much effort into memorizing those. I know because I used to be bad at it, and decided to learn the strategies of people who are actually good at it. Normally, they simply spend more time memorizing details.
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