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    Do you like to "teach" others things. As in sharing information w others or guiding them in acquiring skills, etc.?

    I read in an article someplace that Delta STs approach love as serious people who aim "to teach" their significant others. Does this ring true??

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    Yes.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Yes.
    Will you please give an example? What kinds of things do you teach? And in what situations? How do you go about it -- do you lecture or what?

    How do others react? I assume Delta NFs like it. True?

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    Actually, Delta NFs like to teach too. One of the EII subtypes is called "the teacher."

    I teach whatever someone is curious about. I enjoy answering questions. Lecturing isn't really my style; I like to be concise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    That's one of the ways i actually feel i can recognize delta STs. In my normal state when i'm not worried about monitoring myself or what i say, i have a lot of random questions. Also, my learning style is such that I learn best when i can be doing something and asking as i go along. If i have to sit in a lecture and listen for an hour or two and save my questions for the end or for office hours, it just doesn't work too well for me because by then my question is out of context, and also i had to listen to the rest of the lecture with that question (or those questions) lingering in my mind, so the rest of the lecture may not have made sense to me. And furthermore, when factual information is provided to me, I suddenly have a flood of new questions, and also I start coming up with ideas (that may be how Te activation works for me)

    As such, the delta ST teaching approach has worked really well for me. As Abbie mentioned, delta STs seem to be invigorated by my questions and feel honored at the chance to share their knowledge. There is no such thing as a stupid question to them. In contrast, betas (STs as well as NFs) that I've worked with tend to get annoyed if not outright MAD at me asking questions. Also what often seems like a stupid question that I am asking, in my mind it isn't stupid because there is a reason i am asking it (and usually if they think it's a stupid question it's because they aren't seeing what i'm seeing yet, or they havent stopped to consider what i am considering).

    p.s. I zone out and daydream in lecture. That is, unless it's a clear, concise presentation that holds my attention. those are usually provided by Te egos, Te-doms specifically. Fe-dom can deliver a captivating presentation too though. They hate questions and interruptions though, i've noticed.
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    I think I often do things like that. It wouldn't be something like "Today kids, we learn how to craft pretty figures with chestnuts." but rather things I have realized myself and which amazed me.

    Once during an excursion with my study course I rambled for two hours about my current ideas what's wrong with our society. I talked to 2 or 3 people, but they simply sat there and listened, that was pretty cool. They even asked some questions and I was glad to answer them. And if it comes to teaching people how to do stuff (like handling computer programs, I used to explain a lot when I was still in school), I helped whenever I could. I was really proud when somebody told me that I could explain it much better than the teacher. I just tried to put myself in the position of the person who doesn't understand how it works. I figured that teachers often explain things from their professional position which isn't necessarily understood by their students.

    It is a really satisfying experience to me to explain things and to help somebody with that, or simply show them another way of thinking.
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    I remember really liking the Teacher/Student archetype that whoever-the-hell wrote about somewhere. The best relationships for me are always ones where both sides are able to learn from each other, where each side has their own perspective that they love to tell each other about. If it gets too one-sided where I'm the one who's "learning" everything then the relationship will get uncomfortable to me, like he ultimately has greater control over my actions and thoughts. This isn't necessarily relegated to romantic relationships either, this happens with most of the teachers I've ever known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    There is no such thing as a stupid question to them.
    Not true. A stupid question is one you already know the answer to. For example: Anon, are you a guy?

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Not true. A stupid question is one you already know the answer to. For example: Anon, are you a guy?
    great point lol...

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    Yeah, I love to teach, explain, decontruct, rebuild, debate, etc. In fact, it's one of the few ways I'll begin to seriously relate to you. Extra bonus if you can teach me about something I'm interested in. In university, I used to be quite popular among my circle of peers come lab and exam time since I would always sit down and explain a concept that was immediately present in a paper. A lot of people try to hoard info, but I also take a more democratic approach by disseminating it. I like to think it's because it empowers others, but maybe it's just an excuse to brag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    Yeah, I love to teach, explain, decontruct, rebuild, debate, etc. In fact, it's one of the few ways I'll begin to seriously relate to you. Extra bonus if you can teach me about something I'm interested in. In university, I used to be quite popular among my circle of peers come lab and exam time since I would always sit down and explain a concept that was immediately present in a paper. A lot of people try to hoard info, but I also take a more democratic approach by disseminating it. I like to think it's because it empowers others, but maybe it's just an excuse to brag.
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    i tend to fall into the teacher role more often than not, not necessarily because i like teaching but because i like deconstructing concepts and making them easier to understand and i need an audience to check how well i'm doing.

    also i just like helping others, sue me.

    edit: i'm not a delta st, i just wanted to add to abbie's post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    Yeah, I love to teach, explain, decontruct, rebuild, debate, etc.
    Cool. That's probably why I like how the Te types I have met irl communicate. They seem to be able to make a complex theoretical subject more "digestable" and easily associated with real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    i tend to fall into the teacher role more often than not, not necessarily because i like teaching but because i like deconstructing concepts and making them easier to understand and i need an audience to check how well i'm doing.

    also i just like helping others, sue me.

    edit: i'm not a delta st, i just wanted to add to abbie's post.
    i'm the same way... i've been criticized by many by my need for validation (the vast majority being Ti- valuing types) but i guess it comes from my lack of confidence in what i know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna1921 View Post
    Do you like to "teach" others things. As in sharing information w others or guiding them in acquiring skills, etc.?

    I read in an article someplace that Delta STs approach love as serious people who aim "to teach" their significant others. Does this ring true??
    Yes I do and yes it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    The best relationships for me are always ones where both sides are able to learn from each other, where each side has their own perspective that they love to tell each other about. If it gets too one-sided where I'm the one who's "learning" everything then the relationship will get uncomfortable to me, like he ultimately has greater control over my actions and thoughts. This isn't necessarily relegated to romantic relationships either, this happens with most of the teachers I've ever known.
    I would have to agree with what Galen wrote here. If a person is doing a lot more teaching/instructor to me and I am back, I'll feel like I'm worthless. If I'm doing more of the teaching, I get irritated by either one's lack of comprehension or more uncertain about my methods of teaching. I do not like to be seen as useless or incompetent, but I also don't like being the instructor constantly.

    From my experience, I believe the true value for Delta STs is that they point out how certain things are much easier to do one way or another. Sometimes, I expend too much energy on some small things like washing dishes or doing one particular homework problem in chemistry and it's no wonder why I can be turned off by such unpleasant tasks so easily. Somebody like a Delta ST is a true gift in my presence because where the simplest tasks to get something done get made so difficult, the ST serves as the corrective force to keep things moving smoothly.

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    As EII I dont especially like to teach "cold" material like math, how to do X how to do Y how to improve Z with rationnalz ect. Im generally more teached than teacher on this, or perhaps even forced in some field.
    What amaze me instead is to "teach", more like "guide" for things I like or previous passion Ive had, things Ive spend time into ect. 2 year ago Ive been associated with a guy who had a vinyl records shop (was student at this time), we was strongly involved into some movement like free party, actual parisian underground, zen buddhism (more he less myself for this one)... It was great to discuss with "customer" with different view, to "guide" them to what I previously discovered in music or idea or related stuff, discover hidden personnal personnal story, sharing idea, ect... I like when ppl unexpectedly get interested into things they was not inclined to before entering the shop, like thats a part of themself they ignore.
    Ive discovered lately that the motivation for that was 100% egoistical, lol. But that was a great experience


    For the thread topic I think that depend of what you call teaching, in my scholarity for example a vast majority of teacher Ive had was EII or IEE (esp in language matter for the last), and "some" LII esp. in college... Delta ST teacher possibly being more frequent in teaching more "factual stuff" and "way to do things" in the work world outside education.

    i've been criticized by many by my need for validation (the vast majority being Ti- valuing types)
    admit thats a big problem as Fi user, at time you dont know if you do things for yourself or other, or worst for other validation... That suck, I actually try to "overcome" that
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    Another EII here. I think I like to inform people in general, but I can definitely take on the teacher role in situations. It would be difficult if the person I was teaching had trouble picking up the concepts, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    It would be difficult if the person I was teaching had trouble picking up the concepts, though.
    Worst frustration of teaching ever.

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    I don't usually think of myself as a "teacher", but I like to help out and sometimes learning (from me) comes as a byproduct. Pa3s put it well.
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    Not Delta ST, but ime, yes, they are like this.
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    I like relationships that feel productive, that are working towards something. If there isn't a sense of growth or development, it feels boring, and it's harder for me to relate or feel close without that.

    In a 'typical' sense, I think delta STs enjoy feeling like they have a sort of expertise or mastery in something and that, as such, they are respected or of worth for it ---- at least that feels comfortable to a Te ego block in some sense. I think more so, at its core, it's a sense of 'being able to do something' for someone you care about, but not necessarily in an emotionally vibrant sense, in a more concrete way.

    Listening to Te types, taking their advice, making what they say seem to have importance or validity, or admire their way of handling or approaching something - such are ways to foster a relationship, or stroke their ego.

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    They really do seem to like teaching about some kind of procedure or topic to people they care about. It's nice, but it can feel condescending at times.

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    I almost have a degree in teaching and I teach courses on Socialism. So yes.
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    Condescending? Sounds lame. Back to the drawing board for me, I guess. I have little patience for teaching. There's very little I can teach anyways. I'd rather just do things. Not sit around and tell people how I do things. I've played guitars for over 20 yrs now, for example, but I never approached it from a theoretical point of view. I play by ear and finger patterns. If I teach, all I do is give a few pointers, move their hands around.. All they need to do is work on their dexterity and make some basic chord shapes. Then they're on their own from there. I might demonstrate some songs, but I'm not going to stick around and be a teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    They really do seem to like teaching about some kind of procedure or topic to people they care about. It's nice, but it can feel condescending at times.
    Cant say i've felt that from delta STs. Not in that context anyway. I love it when people teach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    Condescending? Sounds lame. Back to the drawing board for me, I guess. I have little patience for teaching. There's very little I can teach anyways. I'd rather just do things. Not sit around and tell people how I do things. I've played guitars for over 20 yrs now, for example, but I never approached it from a theoretical point of view. I play by ear and finger patterns. If I teach, all I do is give a few pointers, move their hands around.. All they need to do is work on their dexterity and make some basic chord shapes. Then they're on their own from there. I might demonstrate some songs, but I'm not going to stick around and be a teacher.
    This has actually been my experience with Te-POLR "teachers". They get really mad and annoyed when i dont know something, and expect me to have taught myself. I now know it's only because they hate teaching. Also when they are the students they make it a habit of faking knowledge that they dont have. I couldn't even begin to understand what the utility of doing so would be...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    This has actually been my experience with Te-POLR "teachers". They get really mad and annoyed when i dont know something, and expect me to have taught myself. I now know it's only because they hate teaching. Also when they are the students they make it a habit of faking knowledge that they dont have. I couldn't even begin to understand what the utility of doing so would be...
    I don't see the point in faking knowledge either. Like I said above, there's only so many things I could teach. I'm happy with saying I have limitations.

    If the rest is Te polr though, so be it. I could be SEI. I was thinking that or SLI-Si. Either way, I'm just doing my own thing. I barely even talk to people. I don't live to play out all of this relationship or duality bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    Condescending? Sounds lame. Back to the drawing board for me, I guess. I have little patience for teaching. There's very little I can teach anyways. I'd rather just do things. Not sit around and tell people how I do things. I've played guitars for over 20 yrs now, for example, but I never approached it from a theoretical point of view. I play by ear and finger patterns. If I teach, all I do is give a few pointers, move their hands around.. All they need to do is work on their dexterity and make some basic chord shapes. Then they're on their own from there. I might demonstrate some songs, but I'm not going to stick around and be a teacher.
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    Cant say i've felt that from delta STs. Not in that context anyway. I love it when people teach.
    I prefer figuring things out myself, and if it's something factual, that it be condensed according to my actual interest . Delta STs sometimes have a habit of "teaching" you something (sometimes you don't even ask for it either lol) and talking to you like a dummy child and that "you're doing it wrong" when you don't follow exact instructions. Well no... there are many different ways to do something and I like figuring out what they are. I'm obviously not talking about EVERY Delta ST, and I'd hope that's how people approach what I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
    I don't see the point in faking knowledge either. Like I said above, there's only so many things I could teach. I'm happy with saying I have limitations.

    If the rest is Te polr though, so be it. I could be SEI. I was thinking that or SLI-Si. Either way, I'm just doing my own thing. I barely even talk to people. I don't live to play out all of this relationship or duality bullshit.
    Well i am just generalizing from a few people i know. Actually the ones who were faking it were all beta NFs, tbh now that i think about it.

    Anyway, I do believe that most of us here are doing our own thing as well... I dont think anyone here "lives to play out all of this relationship or duality bullshit". It's a socionics forum so most of us talk about that stuff here. Some of us find it interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    I prefer figuring things out myself, and if it's something factual, that it be condensed according to my actual interest . Delta STs sometimes have a habit of "teaching" you something (sometimes you don't even ask for it either lol) and talking to you like a dummy child and that "you're doing it wrong" when you don't follow exact instructions. Well no... there are many different ways to do something and I like figuring out what they are. I'm obviously not talking about EVERY Delta ST, and I'd hope that's how people approach what I say.
    Well true i also dont like that sort of stuff... Are you sure they are delta STs though? that sounds a lot like my mom (alpha SF i think). Maybe i just haven't worked with enough delta STs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Well true i also dont like that sort of stuff... Are you sure they are delta STs though? that sounds a lot like my mom (alpha SF i think). Maybe i just haven't worked with enough delta STs...
    I've worked with a lot of Delta STs, but what I'm talking about has taken place when there's a closer type of relationship, be it friends or dating. Sometimes they seem to let me be to find out how I'd solve the problem, even though they know a way to solve it already (this seems more like an SLI approach).

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    Yes. Once, an SEI told me I was his "favorite teacher," as a way of telling me I taught him many new things.

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