Dear Maritsa ! (jadae's typing)

[Creepy-pokeball]

Please detail all of the reasons that I am an ESTj. Don't spare anything!


ps. Deltas, I'm relieving myself in your sub-forum

[Radio]

ps. Deltas, I'm relieving myself in your sub-forum

just watch out for the carpet

[Creepy-pokeball]

Alright -- that's fair

[Beautiful sky]

1. In several posts you have indicated that "I like that...xyz" and for these reasons "xyz;" hence expressing your interest in MORALS or at least you've determined what things you are likely to do or not; support or not.

2. LSE take a lot of stock in what people think of them, from concern of how they come off to people and from HA, to be perfect. An LSE is likely to accurately size up the mood of the environment they are in; you knowing the general "feel" of this forum have gravitated to being funny or really serious, albeit a lot less serious than I presume you were some time ago; I gather that when you learned that Hkkmr was a "fun" and relatively "mild" administrator and was not likely to ban you for expanding your comic tendencies, you were able to "loosen up" a bit. This entire #2 point expresses how you use Te, a dynamic function.

3. Si isn't necessarily a tendency to be extreme caregivers, I would say this more to be true of SLI; Si is the way that Te is conditioned. It's expressed in an LSE to do things by themselves, because this is an introverted function; like going to the movies; because Si is a holistic function it doesn't mean that you are so extremely picky about food, being a second function, hence relatively less important to the individual; an LSE is able to put Si aside to do productive things, work;

4. LSE have people pleasing tendencies, they want to make the other person happy, but they aren't necessarily people persons. They like to come off as "good" people because they want people to think well of them; I think this is why you go the extra mile for family and friends. Generally, LSE like having people around on their own terms;


5. They aren't likely to let others push them around or apply their own will on them, because LSE tendency is to project what they are going to do, to be decisive and stay on plan/task. If the next sequence of action is to meditate, for example, an LSE might seem very brash, direct and to the point in expressing that to their significant other, who is trying to get attention away form the LSE's next task. An LSE doesn't mean to be mean, it's just that they suppress relations/their own and other's emotions in favor of sequential activity. I myself have experienced this point with you several times in saying "You're LSE" but you not being influenced by that. You and LSE need to have a rational explanation why this is true and they need time to think about this on their own because essentially what is being changed will be done by them, their ultimate decision, because LSE have difficulty changing or adapting to new things.

6. Here's you cause and effect card which is "I said this because....

I meant what I said in a specific fashion. I said it because it makes me sad.

Because algorithem is a proof; it's a proof to establish the rules of how something works. If this happens in this situation; this will result; that's an assumption. Sad is a feeling; emotion is sadness; emotion is a state; feeling is what you feel in that state; emotions can exist outside of feelings; the above would be Fe Role. It takes a while for LSE to arrive at how they feel because it takes them a while to arrive at the cause.



There's a lot more I can write, but

Go figure it out yo self...mister.

[Absurd]

I think I'm doomed after reading that.

[Creepy-pokeball]

1. Seriously not debating morals again =P

2. I have always lightened the general mood, even as a kid. That has nothing to do with Hk, however. Reuben McNew and Expat were simply controlling douchebags. Hk is a normal guy. It was impossible to be light in regard to anything when the forum was needlessly dominated by those two.

3. What in the hell are you talking about.

4. What..

5. Everything you are saying is in regard to personal autonomy, which I guard for myself and others for personal reasons that are NTR.

6. There are multiple algorithem types.

[DirectorAbbie]

I presume...you learned...you are...not...LSE...Go figure

Ah, the power of editing.

[Kald]

Ah, the power of editing.

I bet you have a notebook full of one-liners: "Which one should I use today? Ahh, that one. I'll scratch that out."

[Absurd]

I bet you have a notebook full of one-liners: "Which one should I use today? Ahh, that one. I'll scratch that out."

One liners are great, I can summarise one's wall of text by saying, "yada yada yada."

[Beautiful sky]

1. Seriously not debating morals again =P

2. I have always lightened the general mood, even as a kid. That has nothing to do with Hk, however. Reuben McNew and Expat were simply controlling douchebags. Hk is a normal guy. It was impossible to be light in regard to anything when the forum was needlessly dominated by those two.

3. What in the hell are you talking about.

4. What..

5. Everything you are saying is in regard to personal autonomy, which I guard for myself and others for personal reasons that are NTR.

6. There are multiple algorithem types.

Don't ask me to explain things for you again. PERIOD.

On point 2, how did you arrive that Hkkmr was a "normal" guy. That method that you used to make that determination, makes you Te base type and it proves my point that you sized up Hkkmr's personality, hence using that fact to change your own to accommodate that fact. This is an adaptable nature of Extraverted types.

3. I'm saying that because you're picky about your food that doesn't mean you don't have Si in your ego block. It may actually mean that you do in fact have that in your ego block because being a sensory type, you're much more about the texture and flavor of things.

4. Why do you do things for your family and friends?

[Aquagraph]

PERIODS...

[Radio]

Don't ask me to explain things for you again. PERIOD.

If he's not getting you at all and there's so much conflict in communication, isn't that a very good indication that he's not your dual?

[Creepy-bg]

If he's not getting you at all and there's so much conflict in communication, isn't that a very good indication that he's not your dual?

but isn't jedi as LSE confimed?

[Aquagraph]

If he's not getting you at all and there's so much conflict in communication, isn't that a very good indication that he's not your dual?

I thought the same.

[Radio]

but isn't jedi as LSE confimed?

ohhhh okay then, never mind.

[anndelise]

but isn't jedi as LSE confimed?

It's only confimed until she gets mad enough at the person...at which point she'll confim them a different type.

[Beautiful sky]

1.

Thanks for causing all kinds of attacks on me. You should really know better than to invite this type of criticism for me; maybe instead of being such a dick, you can learn to support my interests. Otherwise, don't open threads like this if your intentions are contrary to the results it produced.

If he's not getting you at all and there's so much conflict in communication, isn't that a very good indication that he's not your dual?

No. Undualized duals are only concerned with their own thoughts and ideas rather than interpreting their duals; which is getting in touch with what you think you're saying, hence one's interpretation of their conscious motivations. He's doing just that.

It's only confimed until she gets mad enough at the person...at which point she'll confim them a different type.

Whatever Ann, you have no faith.

[anndelise]

Can you stop interpreting things in dynamic motions? You're supposed to be an Ne base type.

For some reason, I keep forgetting that you aren't aware of the things you actually do, and that you are too stuck in thinking you do what you idealize yourself as doing.

Edited to add:

Thanks for causing all kinds of attacks on me. You should really know better than to invite this type of criticism for me; maybe instead of being such a dick, you can learn to support my interests. Otherwise, don't open threads like this if your intentions are contrary to the results it produced.

When are you going to grasp that you are often very very wrong in how you interpret people, what they say, and what they do? Jadae informed you that you were wrong, and tried to clarify his side so you could get a clearer and more accurate picture of him. But instead of accepting that you might have erred, and adjusting your image to better suit the info he offered you, you instead treat it as a personal attack against yourself. Worse, you demand that he shouldn't correct you, but instead should support your personal interests. You even go so far as to call him a dick cuz he's not conforming to what you want him to conform to.

[Aquagraph]

Thanks for causing all kinds of attacks on me.

This thread didn't cause those attacks. The reason you are being attacked is because you post.

[Beautiful sky]

For some reason, I keep forgetting that you aren't aware of the things you actually do, and that you are too stuck in thinking you do what you idealize yourself as doing.

Edited to add:

When are you going to grasp that you are often very very wrong in how you interpret people, what they say, and what they do? Jadae informed you that you were wrong, and tried to clarify his side so you could get a clearer and more accurate picture of him. But instead of accepting that you might have erred, and adjusting your image to better suit the info he offered you, you instead treat it as a personal attack against yourself. Worse, you demand that he shouldn't correct you, but instead should support your personal interests. You even go so far as to call him a dick cuz he's not conforming to what you want him to conform to.

I'm right. I have very good instincts about people. I trust my intuition, my analysis, and myself. I don't need to hear your crap; you wanna go back on ignore? Ok. Done.

[anndelise]

I'm right. I have very good instincts about people. I trust my intuition, my analysis, and myself. I don't need to hear your crap; you wanna go back on ignore? Ok. Done.

Trusting them is not the same thing as being accurate.

[Aquagraph]

Is there a possibility that you are wrong? If no, why would you even debate?

[Beautiful sky]

Please detail all of the reasons that I am an ESTj.

He's LSE and though I may be mad at him for doing this, I'm not changing my typing of him, because he's LSE.

another reason is because he sizes up whether things are effective or not, in saying that "it's useful."

[Aquagraph]

Please detail all of the reasons that I am an ESTj.

Just out of curiosity, what do the egos say in similar situations?

[InvisibleJim]

Trusting them is not the same thing as being accurate.

Absolute gibberish.

You don't seem to understand how people function.

[Beautiful sky]

This thread makes me sad.

Why so?

Because it stimulates my protective instincts, and I have no one around me in need or desire of my protection. The woman I love and want to protect seems quite receptive of my affectionate attitude, but she's in a relationship and holds back significantly, disallowing me to make a move and come at peace with myself.

The fact that I can't tell with absolute certainty if my feelings are reciprocated or she's just being friendly is eating me up from the inside.

Algorithm again.... dynamic because it perceives what is being done by the object, by Parkster...Parkster reads thread, gets sad, why?
"This makes me sad"
What about this object that produces that dynamic reaction then asks why?
"because..." the answer satisfies a cause and effect, a rule is established which will help him figure out why people feel what they feel.

Te: "Extroverted logic deals with the external activity of objects, i.e the how, what and where of events, activity or work, behaviour, algorithms, movement, and actions."

[Absurd]

Just out of curiosity, what do the egos say in similar situations?

Chicken?

Absolute gibberish.

You don't seem to understand how people function.

Don't be so absolutely absolute.

[Creepy-bg]

i thought jadae was picky about his food because if he eats the wrong food he dies.

[Aquagraph]

Absolute gibberish.

You don't seem to understand how people function.

Good that we have you. Now explicate.

[InvisibleJim]

Good that we have you. Now explicate.

Everyone trusts their own intuitions formed of observations to be right - to an appropriate degree.

Expecting others to be superhuman and in perfect agreement with you is unrealistic nonsense.

Common sense stipulates that you show people new evidence that may alter their viewpoint rather than jumping up and down shouting, 'you're wrong you're wrong because I disagree!'; which is juvenile.

[Absurd]

i thought jadae was picky about his food because if he eats the wrong food he dies.

Jedi better watch out in a restaurant. One can never know what's in the food one ordered.

[Aquagraph]

Everyone trusts their own intuitions formed of observations to be right - to an appropriate degree.

I keep a very high fence between my perception & analysis of it and the assumed reality. I and anndelise think Maritsa might benefit doing the same. What is the problem?

[InvisibleJim]

I keep a very high fence between my perception & analysis of it and the assumed reality. I and anndelise think Maritsa might benefit doing the same. What is the problem?

You just read it.

I'll never get over the determined need of those with a reliance upon Ti to attack those with a different opinion; and then to declare it's because they don't trust their own ability to form opinion. It's the mental equivalent of someone walking into your house and asking to fix your already working plumbing even though they don't know what a pipe is.

[Aquagraph]

I didn't say that I don't have opinions. I have opinions. One of them is that my opinions are very flawed.

[Beautiful sky]

You just read it.

I'll never get over the determined need of those with a reliance upon Ti to attack those with a different opinion; and then to declare it's because they don't trust their own ability to form opinion. It's the mental equivalent of someone walking into your house and asking to fix your already working plumbing even though they don't know what a pipe is.

You mean to say that Ti PoLR types who have reliance on Ti don't trust their own ability to form opinions and because of that they attack those who try? I'm sorry I had to translate what you said into my own language to understand it

[Aquagraph]

Don't move say anything Socionics related. Her perception is Socionics-based.

[InvisibleJim]

You mean to say that Ti PoLR types who have reliance on Ti don't trust their own ability to form opinions and because of that they attack those who try? I'm sorry I had to translate what you said into my own language to understand it

It's a valid interpretation.

[DirectorAbbie]

It's only confimed until she gets mad enough at the person...at which point she'll confim them a different type.

Okay, how do I make an EII mad? I know how to make them sad...but not mad.

[Absurd]

Drama as usual. Maritsa is EII and Jedi is LSE, her dual. End of story.

[anndelise]

Everyone trusts their own intuitions formed of observations to be right - to an appropriate degree.

Expecting others to be superhuman and in perfect agreement with you is unrealistic nonsense.

Common sense stipulates that you show people new evidence that may alter their viewpoint rather than jumping up and down shouting, 'you're wrong you're wrong because I disagree!'; which is juvenile.

That isn't even closely related to what I was saying.

You added in "to an appropriate degree" . But who/what determines what degree is or is not appropriate?

I promote the system of feedback. I might perceive something, and act according to those perceptions. Then I get feedback of some kind. This feedback informs me that I may have been accurate in my perception...or that I was only somewhat accurate but got something off...or that my initial perception was way out in left field. Upon receiving the feedback, I check to see how this new info alters my initial perception...forming a new perception, which I then act on...and get further feedback on. And the process continues. It's called Learning.

I really don't know how you can think that confidence is the same thing as accuracy.

People make mistakes all the time. People also base their views/beliefs on their experiences, or stories of others' experiences. If they lack access to certain relevant experiences, then they don't have that to draw from, and can easily form inaccurate views.

It's kinda like how as teens, we're confident that we know everything and refuse to listen to those who've had other experiences. And then as we get older, and gain those experiences, we start to finally understand what the adults kept trying to tell us. Worse, we might even find ourselves on the adult side of the equation...trying to tell our teen kids what we've learned from our experiences, but they're too fucking confident in their own views/beliefs that they think they're views/beliefs are accurate.

Another example: I may feel confident that someone is acting like an ass on purpose, but that confidence wouldn't necessarily mean that I am right.

I am constantly surprised at how quickly people will form an opinion..and stick with it, despite evidence to the contrary. Some even go so far as twisting things to better suit their own views. Rationalizing it..I think is what it's called. And if you think I don,t apply this same idea to myself, womdering if I,m doing the same thing during a particular incident or such, then you obviously haven't spent any time reading my posts nor chatting with me in the chatbox. Because I'm constantly questioning my views and my understandings and asking people about their own to see if they're catching something I'm missing.

Maritsa, however, has shown over and over again in this forum that she does not question her own understandings, her own perceptions. She even has admitted a few times that once she forms a judgment on something/someone, she does not change her mind.

I've witnessed this over and over from her. Other people tell me this about her over and over. And yet still, I try to find what it is that I might be missing...because despite seeing it in soooo many people, I still have a hard time accepting that people don't accept feedback, nor try to learn from it. (and yes, I am well aware that my difficulty in accepting the idea that people don't learn from feedback is an example of someone not learning from feedback, )