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    Somavision posted this earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erikson...al_development and I thought it would be a interesting set of questions to ask. Which path did you take.


    1. Hopes: Trust vs. Mistrust (Oral-sensory, Birth-2 years)

    • Psychosocial Crisis: Trust vs. Mistrust
    • Virtue: Hope
    2. Will: Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt (Muscular-Anal, 2-4 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt
    3. Purpose: Initiative vs. Guilt (Locomotor-Genital, Preschool, 4-5 years)
    • Initiative vs. Guilt
    4. Competence: Industry vs. Inferiority (Latency, 5-12 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Industry vs. Inferiority
    • Main Question: "How can I be good?"
    • Virtue: Competence
    • Related Elements in Society: division of labour
    5. Fidelity: Identity vs. Role Confusion (Adolescence, 13-19 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Identity vs. Role Confusion
    • Main Question: "Who am I and where am I going?"
    • Ego quality: Fidelity
    • Related Elements in Society:
    6. Love: Intimacy vs. Isolation (Young adulthood, 20-24, or 20-40 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Intimacy vs. Isolation
    • Main Question: "Am I loved and wanted?" or "Shall I share my life with someone or live alone?"
    • Virtue: Love
    • Related Elements in Society: patterns of cooperation (often marriage)
    7. Care: Generativity vs. Stagnation (Middle adulthood, 25-64, or 40-64 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Generativity vs. Stagnation
    • Main Question: "Will I produce something of real value?"
    • Virtue: Care
    • Related Elements in Society: parenting, educating, or other productive social involvement

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    I'll go first!

    1. Hopes: Trust vs. Mistrust (Oral-sensory, Birth-2 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Trust vs. Mistrust
    2. Will: Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt (Muscular-Anal, 2-4 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt
    3. Purpose: Initiative vs. Guilt (Locomotor-Genital, Preschool, 4-5 years)
    • Initiative vs. Guilt
    4. Competence: Industry vs. Inferiority (Latency, 5-12 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Industry vs. Inferiority
    5. Fidelity: Identity vs. Role Confusion (Adolescence, 13-19 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Identity vs. Role Confusion
    6. Love: Intimacy vs. Isolation (Young adulthood, 20-24, or 20-40 years)
    • Psychosocial Crisis: Intimacy vs. Isolation
    7. Care: Generativity vs. Stagnation (Middle adulthood, 25-64, or 40-64 years)

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    This seems waaaay too simplistic and kind of presumptuous to me. I think I started my "Care" phase as the main emphasis of my subconscious at around age 13, and my concerns about identity arose from this anxiety, peaking between 18 and 20, whence grew my concern with intimacy.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    This seems waaaay too simplistic and kind of presumptuous to me. I think I started my "Care" phase as the main emphasis of my subconscious at around age 13, and my concerns about identity arose from this anxiety, peaking between 18 and 20, whence grew my concern with intimacy.
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    Erikson states that each of these processes occur throughout the lifetime in one form or another, and he emphasizes these "phases" only because it is at these times that the conflicts become most prominent.
    I don't think these phases are supposed to be precise.
    And in this context care is not merely a subconscious thing but care as in taking responsibility of one's children and acts such as that as a full time occupation.

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    Eh.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Trust-Autonomy-Initiative-Industry-Identity-Isolation

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    how are you answering these questions? how do you know which one to pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kassie View Post
    how are you answering these questions? how do you know which one to pick?
    Exact-fucking-ly.

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    0-2: Trust vs. Mistrust
    2-4: Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt
    4-5: Initiative vs. Guilt
    5-12: Industry vs. Inferiority
    13-19: Identity vs. Role Confusion
    20-24: Intimacy vs. Isolation
    25-64: Generativity vs. Stagnation (on it)

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    I don't remember my childhood. I can't answer some of those questions not to mention read that wiki page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kassie View Post
    how are you answering these questions? how do you know which one to pick?
    Know oneself. I answered the question the way I thought I should answer them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Know oneself. I answered the question the way I thought I should answer them.
    You sure are in a possession of exceptional memory. Besides, what the hell does this even mean:

    Erikson is credited with coining the term "Identity Crisis."[6] Each stage that came before and that follows has its own 'crisis', but even more so now, for this marks the transition from childhood to adulthood. This passage is necessary because "Throughout infancy and childhood, a person forms many identifications. But the need for identity in youth is not met by these."[7] This turning point in human development seems to be the reconciliation between 'the person one has come to be' and 'the person society expects one to become'.
    Such people have a false - construct - I or "ego," No one is born with this kind of "ego." This kind of split from conscious to unconscious is developed in childhood. It has to do with a shutting off instinct and ignoring sensual input. The result is that humans can not really arrive at logic. This ego is a fake. It often seeks to "find itself." It imagines it has become the "new me" and tries to construct a new act, for it is all ultimately an act that they never know they are faking until the "new me" realises it and replaces it with another act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    You sure are in a possession of exceptional memory. Besides, what the hell does this even mean:
    I think most people's first memories start ~ 4-6. You can also deduce. Al-through maybe it's not 100% accurate. There is other people's description of you from that age, which can be used as well. You mean you never asked or been told what you were like when you are young?

    I underwent some fairly interesting experiences when I was young(below 10) and I have some very memorable events which happened, as well as stories that have been told to me about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    I don't remember my childhood.
    I don't remember when I was two years old, but figure since I've always been trusting it must have started there.

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    The majority of us cant even answer #7.

    This is part of basic lifespan psychology. I like the general idea, but I hate when it becomes specific, such as anal. There are quite a few versions of this. I'm not going to answer the post because I think it is more useful to see as a spectrum of health, rather than seeing it as a logistics tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    You mean you never asked or been told what you were like when you are young?
    Sure I have been told, best part is I don't remember it, that is have no recollection of it happening. Besides, what I wrote in post #3 can be successfully applied to people on here and their socionics type "shifts".
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    0-2: Trust

    2-4: Autonomy

    4-5: Initiative

    5-12: Industry

    13-19: Identity

    20-24: Isolation

    25-64: Stagnation

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I don't think these phases are supposed to be precise.
    And in this context care is not merely a subconscious thing but care as in taking responsibility of one's children and acts such as that as a full time occupation.
    This is true. From recollection I believe he described the crisis as normative, as in that they are not necessarily universal, but that from his work as a psychoanalyst he observed them to be not unusual.

    Regarding the stages of development (from recollection again, I will check this) I believe, that they did not work as a simple linear progression, but that an individual could be at different stages with regards to developing different aspects of his or her identity.

    Erikson was very influential during his time, but he has not been without critics and as psychological methods and other theories have developed beyond and also in contrast to his. From what I understand he is still considered relevant by mainstream psychologists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    I like the general idea, but I hate when it becomes specific, such as anal.
    I agree. I want to do everything simultaneously as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Know oneself. I answered the question the way I thought I should answer them.
    Do you have a pretentious koan for every post you make here?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Do you have a pretentious koan for every post you make here?
    Stop crying.

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    Most of these seem pretty trivial to me, though I'd say I'm still pretty deep in the throes of identity crisis even though I'm 27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Most of these seem pretty trivial to me, though I'd say I'm still pretty deep in the throes of identity crisis even though I'm 27.
    I'm still trying to deal with Isolation/Intimacy although I'm quite a productive person otherwise. I only got 6 years 2 month left. I'm screweeeed!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    It's ok, stop crying.
    ...huh?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Stop crying.
    NICE EDIT

    BOY YOU SOUND LIKE A REAL MAN NOW

    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    NICE EDIT

    BOY YOU SOUND LIKE A REAL MAN NOW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kald View Post
    I agree. I want to do everything simultaneously as well.
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    Mistrust
    Autonomy
    Guilt
    Inferiority
    Identity
    Not quite done with this stage, but it's looking to be Isolation.
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    LoL the maker of that is too caught up in the matrix. If you're not industrious you're inferior? It sounds like he's trying to make the true spiritual teachers feel bad about themselves because he secretly is jealous, and is instead designing something that only helps people that are trapped deep within the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    LoL the maker of that is too caught up in the matrix. If you're not industrious you're inferior? It sounds like he's trying to make the true spiritual teachers feel bad about themselves because he secretly is jealous, and is instead designing something that only helps people that are trapped deep within the system.

    =p
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    Trust, shame and doubt, guilt, inferiority, in between of identity and role confusion, currently half way between intimacy and isolation. It's getting better, either way, as I gradually sort through whatever issues I've had and carry on forward the best I can.
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    No not TE polr. He has no idea what he's talking about. =p

    As if there is a set age or rule limit when people learn their lessons or something. Or that people crudely choose between isolation and intimacy.

    A human being isn't a machine, hkkmr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Aw Te-PoLR...
    Awww, feeling the need to be condescending to maintain one's own illusions of superiority...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    No not TE polr. He has no idea what he's talking about. =p

    As if there is a set age or rule limit when people learn their lessons or something. Or that people crudely choose between isolation and intimacy.

    A human being isn't a machine, hkkmr.
    WHY NOT!!!!! I would pay to be a machine... anyways it has no age limit or rules, it's just normative observation.

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    Yeah but it's boring and obvious and doesn't really tell us anything useful.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Obviously it's not boring and obvious to everyone...



    Don't condescend to those people... m'kay....

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    The author just sounds douchey. You may have to be a feeling type to feel it but I don't like using socionics as an excuse for anything. I realize I was scathing in my critique but he pissed me off and it had nothing to do with your enjoyment of it.

    Ah, I read up more about the author. Apparently he was Jewish which explains a lot. Jewish people are so afraid of being losers, of being nobodies, that they have to rule society. So no wonder he chose 'industry' over inferiority and saw the world that way. That's really sad though. I feel sorry for jewish people and the discrimination they had to go through, and how they try to deal with it by becoming overly professional. Same thing happens with Alyson Hannigan and most people in the hollywood media. But just because he was teased sociopathically doesn't give him the right to come up with cuckoo theories. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    The author just sounds douchey. You may have to be a feeling type to feel it but I don't like using socionics as an excuse for anything. I realize I was scathing in my critique but he pissed me off and it had nothing to do with your enjoyment of it.

    Ah, I read up more about the author. Apparently he was Jewish which explains a lot. Jewish people are so afraid of being losers, of being nobodies, that they have to rule society. So no wonder he chose 'industry' over inferiority and saw the world that way. That's really sad though. I feel sorry for jewish people and the discrimination they had to go through, and how they try to deal with it by becoming overly professional. Same thing happens with Alyson Hannigan and most people in the hollywood media. But just because he was teased sociopathically doesn't give him the right to come up with cuckoo theories. *sigh*
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