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    what the fuck are you talking about

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    Introverted Intuition and a bit of Extraverted Feeling IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Which information element is the soul?
    Soul is like a balloon, one prick and gone. Definitely alpha Fe.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Introverted Intuition and a bit of Extraverted Feeling IMO
    With a spice of Ti actually, yes.

    I wrote this essay today just for this thread:

    1. What did people think of it in ancient times? Admittedly, there can be no a single understanding as many people have different ideas. Therefore, your soul essay can provide ideas of such prominent philosophers as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas or Kant. Many custom essays and custom term papers consider different philosophical issues concerning the concept.

    2.Your soul essay can also focus on religious interpretation. You can choose a particular religion or compare the interpretations of the concept in different religions in your soul essay. What is accepted in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism, etc.? You can try to explain why these religions developed such concepts.

    3.Your soul essay can deal with scientific approach. What about Duncan MacDougall’s experiments? Try to prove he was right. Your
    soul essay can also discuss works of such scientists as Francis Crick, E.O. Wilson or Daniel Dennett. What arguments did they provide?

    4.It is possible to consider the way soul is depicted in art: literature, visual arts, cinematography. Your soul essay can provide an analysis of such works. What philosophical, religious or scientific motives can be found in this or that depiction? For example, the film 21 Grams is based on scientific approach. It can be interesting to analyze another famous work The Wizard of Oz in your soul essay.Thus, Baum created a character who wished to have a heart. Can it be regarded as a kind of searching for one’s soul?

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    Your question is about as meaningful as asking...
    "What information element is onsetvoinfovia?"

    If you use an ill-defined concept, you'll receive mumbo-jumbo as answers.
    Various definitions of "soul":
    soul *(sl)
    n.
    1. The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
    2. The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
    3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human.
    4. A human: "the homes of some nine hundred souls" (Garrison Keillor).
    5. The central or integral part; the vital core: "It saddens me that this network ... may lose its soul, which is after all the quest for news" (Marvin Kalb).
    6. A person considered as the perfect embodiment of an intangible quality; a personification: I am the very soul of discretion.
    7. A person's emotional or moral nature: "An actor is ... often a soul which wishes to reveal itself to the world but dare not" (Alec Guinness).
    8. A sense of ethnic pride among Black people and especially African Americans, expressed in areas such as language, social customs, religion, and music.
    9. A strong, deeply felt emotion conveyed by a speaker, a performer, or an artist.
    10. Soul music.
    [Middle English, from Old English swol.]
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    It depends on whose soul.
    All the good are friends of one another. (Zeno of Citium)
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    Your question is about as meaningful as asking..."What information element is onsetvoinfovia?" If you use an ill-defined concept, you'll receive mumbo-jumbo as answers.
    In Tcaud's eyes all matter is lifeless and stagnant. In his interpretation of socionics and information elements, god has breathed a living soul into perishable and lifeless matter, and it is this eternal divine particle, called information element, which is animate and which motivates every living being. When this particle deserts the body, it leaves nothing but an empty material shell - a rotting. As seen in certain forum members when they off themselves, but not quite for an other information element enters their body.

    Oh, I like Northern Soul as well.

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    "Which information element is the ghost"
    All the good are friends of one another. (Zeno of Citium)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post
    "Which information element is the ghost"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    In Tcaud's eyes all matter is lifeless and stagnant. In his interpretation of socionics and information elements, god has breathed a living soul into perishable and lifeless matter, and it is this eternal divine particle, called information element, which is animate and which motivates every living being. When this particle deserts the body, it leaves nothing but an empty material shell - a rotting. As seen in certain forum members when they off themselves, but not quite for an other information element enters their body.
    Not true.

    I see souls as entities that the universe respects as having indestructable fundamental identity. You might call them "persistent, closed awareness potentials". While souls can only have consciousness with a body, and can only have one body at a time, souls can be reincarnated.

    Perhaps more to the point, "why am I not you?" While consciousness is a property of the brain, and doesn't exist without it, distinct awareness is something different. Why is awareness "closed"? What "medium" is the soul made of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Not true.

    I see souls as entities that the universe respects as having indestructable fundamental identity. You might call them "persistent, closed awareness potentials". While souls can only have consciousness with a body, and can only have one body at a time, souls can be reincarnated.

    Perhaps more to the point, "why am I not you?" While consciousness is a property of the brain, and doesn't exist without it, distinct awareness is something different. Why is awareness "closed"? What "medium" is the soul made of?
    Nature of life, like that the rest of the world, is material. Its cognition doesn't depend on recognition of a supermaterial, spiritual entity. Life is a special form of the existence of matter - its origin and disintegration is governed by special laws. Practice, objective experience and observation of living nature are a reliable road and way leading to the cognition of life. I scribbled something akin to that in some thread already, in response to some member on idealism.

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    that's silly. lol.
    "If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann

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    I don't think it's possible to pinpoint one IE as "the soul".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I don't think it's possible to pinpoint one IE as "the soul".
    I would argue alpha Si is the soul.

    If we look at the IM chain, you have gamma Ni (instruction) is base for beta Ni (action) which influences beta Fe (emotion) is base for alpha Fe (ethic) which influences alpha Si (qualia), is base for delta Si (function), which influences delts Te (role).

    Experience is the processing of qualia and the feedback (sensation) from the processing. Technically both belong under the banner of alpha Si (that thing ISFPs specialize in and ISFP EMs engorge themselves in and with). But I would treat the element as what goes into the function (qualia, in the case of alpha Si) as opposed to the product of the function's processing (sensation). The element is the type of the atom, not the association between atoms of the type.
    Last edited by tcaudilllg; 04-01-2012 at 10:47 PM.

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    Of all the IEs, tcaud, why the hell did you pick the one most closely associated with the body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    Of all the IEs, tcaud, why the hell did you pick the one most closely associated with the body?
    Do you disagree?

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    Yeah, Tcaud....it's a stupid question honestly...

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    it's whichever information element is placed in your transcendent function

    why? cuz it would also be transcendent obv, and thus an order of magnitude better than your other regular boring elements

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    it's whichever information element is placed in your transcendent function

    why? cuz it would also be transcendent obv, and thus an order of magnitude better than your other regular boring elements
    Lol which usage of "transcendent function" do you refer to? It means at least three different things depending on the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Lol which usage of "transcendent function" do you refer to? It means at least three different things depending on the context.
    in the context of your thread the one commensurable to immanence of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Do you disagree?
    I think you should at least respect the time-honoured divide between the body and the soul.
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    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
    I think you should at least respect the time-honoured divide between the body and the soul.
    You are suggesting then that the soul is... Ne?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    You are suggesting then that the soul is... Ne?
    You just don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    Nothing in this thread is to be repeated. Keep it quiet. We are on the edge of a major breakthrough. I swear to God, don't pass this around.
    *nod*

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    it's whichever information element is placed in your transcendent function
    as much as i appreciate you posting this article, please oh god please keep analytical psych and socionics separate

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    the one located in the pineal gland perhaps

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    where the flouride in your drinking water has been accumulating for years

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    I did not know that. That's interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
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