Last edited by despoticembrace; 04-01-2012 at 11:38 PM.
I'm not sure a true lack of conscience is type related really... It's quite likely it's just the values of you and this particular ISTp don't mesh well. There's always the potential you are not ENFp in socionics..and she isn't ISTp. But duality isn't guaranteed to work.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
Duality is bullshit.
But, could you elaborate here: what exactly is she doing, "carrying it out against others in a maybe vinidictive sort of a way"? What are her actions? Can you give an example, because I don't think I've done this, really, unless provoked to do so. If someone provokes me, I will be kindof an ass sometimes, but other than that, I remain fairly likable/civil. Although I become aggravated with certain people and call them names in private lol, I am actually less-likely to tell people in general what I think of them than some other types (Some Fi- types come to mind, who have frequently told me "You suck shit, and here's a list of reasons why, (you don't meet my standards)" and I'm forced to defend myself.) If I feel like I am becoming vindictive, I just go away from the person, without carrying it out, generally.
I wouldn't describe an ISTP as having a lack of conscience either.... I have plenty of conscience, and feel guilt just like everyone else does. ISTPs are principled and expect fairness for everyone. I also tend to take up for the underdog, and am loyal and protective over those I care about and like.
What you describe sounds like every relationship I've had with Fi-users in some ways. There are always ways I don't measure up to their moral and/or ethical standards (and sometimes their standards can be pretty goddamn ridiculously thought-out tbth, such as, if I don't make my S.O. a cup of coffee in the morning, suddenly I am the wicked witch of the west lol). I wouldn't expect this to be absent just because two people are duals.
Last edited by jet city woman; 04-01-2012 at 12:49 AM.
Maybe you should re-evaluate your relationship with her as an individual outside of socionics.
I don't know the details of your situation, but you shouldn't let what socionics says dictate your relationships between people. There are simply too many people out there with their own idiosyncratic thought processes, ways of living, fears, desires, etc to let one theory encompass how you get along with them.
"And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl
It's pretty cool
It takes about one year for you to "break" in the relationship; at first, the Thinker types withhold certain expected emotions come across rather cold and distant and the Feeler types don't know how to respond except to think that the Thinkers don't care enough in the right way. This right way is, like you said, someone of my type, who is warm. To us, Feeler types, the thinkers may seem "cold" or have a "lack of conscience" and consideration, that is because they can't sometimes read our emotions which we don't express to Thinker types in their language. You need to find the language of the introvert to make it clear that you don't want certain behaviors because they make you feel a certain way. If that person is mature enough, they will understand how you feel, even if they don't feel it, but Fi valuers like ISTp crave for a stable relationship and someone who can put up with their occasional antics, they are often a sign of playfulness. They probably don't mean to be "callousness towards others"; maybe he or she is just thinking along the lines of their Aristocratic nature rather than their more Fi, sensitivity towards others, this is where you need to take action and "activate" that function; to get them to feel and think more considerately of people. A relationship of duality, at first, doesn't feel "natural" and the couple needs to communicate and go through some long process to "come together." It takes time to do this and once the wheels fit and the motion is spinning and each dual does what their role is in the duality, the pieces become whole on all the levels. Just be patient and maybe try to communicate to them more. I felt the same way before my dual relationship, that both ISTp and ENFp were a more natural fit than a dual, but having had a dual relationship from when I was young, I also know how my duals are and what to expect from a relationship; even having known that, my dual bf wasn't dualized and he needed to learn to read me, which took us time. Read the person, don't criticize them because us Delta don't like approaching people with that kind of tone, interject some humor, lighten things up.
"I have a caustic sense of humor too, but she doesn't just leave it at jokes she carries it out against others in a maybe vindictive sort of a way that I now find myself incapable of doing, but have empathy for since I was once this way myself."
You've grown out of it and so can she, it's a matter of realizing it, consciously, your actions and what they mean in the greater scope.
The natural harmony comes after duals are completely dualized. It will take time, patience, communication, honest confrontations, for the extravert to "read" the underlying unspoken intentions of the introvert, in order for this to happen. Duality is amazing.
It's not going to be easy at first, it's harder when people don't know and consciously realize their own type and why they do the things they do.
Last edited by Maritsa; 04-01-2012 at 05:01 AM.
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
Please don't listen to Maritsa's stereotypical bullshittery.
fatti non foste a viver come bruti ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza