IEI and shapeshifting personalities
Last edited by Kent Lorne; 02-22-2012 at 06:40 PM.
hmm...it seems you erased what you wrote...but, for what it's worth...i agree? It's that damn Fe if you ask me...
Well title says it all in this case I suppose.
Originally Posted by gooey
Ni is described as a chameleon of sorts, making one's behavior and personality highly variable depending on the situation. Obviously this happens to everyone to some extent - but from what I've read it would appear that there is an active intuitive process that is feeling out a different mask or personality to fit the situation. This would probably be hyperactive in the IEI compared to the ILI, as creative Fe would imply a gratuitous amount of skill in identifying and adjusting emotional states and expressiveness.
I rolled with an IEI for a while and can say with certainty that this one was often of an agreeable temperament, but mentioned that for the state of the group often made plans with and obliged certain individuals she liked less, and would then choose whatever state of mind for herself that she thought most agreeable to the other. Getting her to be as she 'truly was' all the time was problematic.
I'm curious Kent, if you're still interested in the course of this thread, what you mean by shape shifting? Do you mean, perhaps, an IEI acting like an SLE, or perhaps an IEI who has a specific style of thought and manner one day and seems to be a totally different the next?
I do this too.
Sometimes I'm scared that I've "lost" my personality unless I'm with people whom I already understand and feel comfortable with. If I don't contact those people for a period of time, I feel as if I'm trying out different masks. It's probably not as seamless as an IEI's, though.
What's the difference between the two Fe-creatives, in this case?
not a bumblebee
I read the original post and I agreed with it, and I vaguely remember replying to it, but I think my phone/computer crashed
Originally Posted by Agee The Great
When you say that the IEI doesn't have a strong sense of ego and self, I could see that; Jung once said that intuition in one's ego was like bringing the unconsciousness to the consciousness. That's probably where this idea of psychic energy comes in, as in the intuitive process that feels out the other individual's emotional state, yet the mask business is a common occurrence in ILI descriptions as well; I'm inclined then, to attribute it somehow to an Ni activity, which leaves me to delegate the IEI's overactive empathy on a temporary timescale to creative Fe. This would also mean that SEI's share that empathy.
Originally Posted by Kent Lorne
But since we're on about the IEI, we should make a distinction here. The difference between the SEI and IEI here would be the personality masking, and the similarity the overactive empathy (ahem, obviously ). This makes me wonder, because these two traits seem so indicative of a type 9 as represented in the enneagram, yet SEIs are often portrayed as holding that position whereas IEI's typically tend to settle in the 4 area.
You also mentioned that your sense of self is almost bolstered through your experience and personal sharing/acquisition of other people's personalities, ideas and so on. I wonder if that means you view yourself almost as an extension of the people present in your life's past and present? I would be curious then if the SEI shares this quality, because it is undoubtedly connected to Fe - and yet, Ni has the flavor of abstractions and ideas, so perhaps you not only emotionally feel the other individual, but also intuit their ideological/intuitive processes or positions, for you mention that you can see truth in most all methods of thought and positions (I am vague here because I do not want to get into Ni IE semantics). Perhaps this is the heart of the masking matter, and why the ILI shares that trait. Perhaps also then, the SEI has equivalent feelings of self and ego, but instead of recognizing ideological positions and underlying mental processes (as in the case of Ni; super vague, I know lol) they do the same for physical conditions/states.
There is so much more to your post, but I must away to bed! lol
As an IEI
I feel the shapeshifting is productive. And i say this as i don't really have that skill myself. I'm very much myself, and very rarely deviate from my normal quo. I'm polite and quiet around stangers, and around people i know i make silly puns and references when i feel it connects to the situation at hand. Around the closest people in my life, i completely abandon small talk in favor of deeper topics.
My lack of Shapeshifting and adapting socially around strangers has limited myself in the things i could have experienced, or the people i could have gotten to know. So as to your question, i think the Shapeshifting is a natural tool by which the IEI can lead themselves to seemingly greener pastures. Through their Fe. But as it's the creative function it has it's holes, and without good self-monitoring the Fe pursuits can lead to selfish habits and journeys down dead end roads.
Personally i think it's all about how your raised, and how you handle the knowledge your parents try to impart. I think a constant among my type, is that we know what we're doing, and why we're doing it. I find it impossible to lie to myself. Absolutely Impossible. This honesty comes out to others only when im comfortable, but often times i think the world operates on a level that can't handle that wavelength... and so the Fe adaptations become a survival tool to get us out of our shells and feel safe within unfamiliar situations. Which, i feel as an IP temperment, is vital to a healthy self-esteem.