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    Default Enneagram type 6 and Dependent Personality Disorder

    I've come to the conclusion that I have Dependent Personality Disorder. I don't think I was always like this..but..I feel like it's gotten worse since I've recognized I am an Enneagram 6. It instilled in my mind that that's just how 6s are; they check for validation, ask people their opinion of everything...they feel like they can't run their own lives at times. And that validation that "that's just how 6s are" just furthered my dependency by making it seem okay.

    As a 6 and someone with this personality disorder, I feel like phobic 6 relates to that dependency. I am like that much of the time, dependent. But, sometimes I realize this, and attempt to overcome it. I suppose that would be counter-phobic 6. But my counter-phobia is usually unsuccessful in helping me get free from this dependency. Before I even go into "cp mode" I ask people what they think of it. It's all so absurd.

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    I suppose my question is, do any other 6s here relate to this, or have this disorder?
    Is 6 even an appropriate type? Because to me, it just seems like this disorder with a different name. And in the case of this personality disorder, I think the recognition of "being a 6" just makes behaving this way seem...normal. And that just lets it get worse.
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    I personally don't relate to DPD, but I definitely see how it can play into and enhance the primary E6 fixation. I wouldn't call being 6 and having DPD interchangeable though, as each type can exhibit a wide variety of mental health levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    I personally don't relate to DPD, but I definitely see how it can play into and enhance the primary E6 fixation. I wouldn't call being 6 and having DPD interchangeable though, as each type can exhibit a wide variety of mental health levels.
    True, but most mental illnesses are just exacerbations of instincts that have been "stretched" by excessive stimuli. Seems analogous to the way e-types exist; the way I see it, e-types just represent the instinct and fixation that were most overstimulated during childhood/developmental stages.
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    So perhaps E6s with DPD just are..more 6ish? Or less healthy 6s?
    I'm sure other types can have DPD. But 6 and DPD are both fueled by anxiety. I guess I was just wondering if 6s would be more susceptible to DPD..or something.

    There is some research that suggests DPD develops more often in people who had over-protective parents. In my Enneagram book it says that 6s were connected to the protective figure while developing. I think there is some correlation between the childhood connected orientation with the protective figure that yields E6s...and how children with an over-protective parent are more likely to develop DPD.
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    I don't know that they are particularly related, though I can see how they might tie into each other. I would think a highly phobic 6 would be more likely to experience the typical traits of DPD, though. I am highly counterphobic and don't particularly relate to DPD. I can hardly relate to the high anxiety levels that a lot of 6s claim to feel, but again it could be phobic vs. counterphobic, and possibly even tying into other disorders or prior mental/emotional trauma of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenryrr View Post
    So perhaps E6s with DPD just are..more 6ish? Or less healthy 6s?
    Well, for starters diagnoses of E-types have different criteria than those of mental illness, but I think anyone with a brain can see the connection of them being intertwined and sharing similar mechanisms, if not necessarily root causes.
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    I guess they both stem from dependence on a parent/protective figure for guidance.
    In the case of DPD, the individual feels inadequate and unable to make decisions without support of others.
    But this is the same in descriptions of E6.
    I do agree with Aero in that phobic 6s are more likely to relate than counter-phobic 6s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    True, but most mental illnesses are just exacerbations of instincts that have been "stretched" by excessive stimuli. Seems analogous to the way e-types exist; the way I see it, e-types just represent the instinct and fixation that were most overstimulated during childhood/developmental stages.
    Isn't that how Oldham styles work? I have my own conceptions of how enneatypes are formed, but I have neither means of providing evidence for my ideas nor counterarguments for yours.
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    I think aligning Enneagram or Socionics w/a psychiatric disorder is a dangerous game.

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    I don't know how accurate this is, but it's interesting...

    Type Six—More Depth by Level

    Healthy Levels

    Level 1 (At Their Best): Become self-affirming, trusting of self and others, independent yet symbiotically interdependent and cooperative as an equal. Belief in self leads to true courage, positive thinking, leadership, and rich self-expression.

    Level 2: Able to elicit strong emotional responses from others: very appealing, endearing, lovable, affectionate. Trust important: bonding with others, forming permanent relationships and alliances.

    Level 3: Dedicated to individuals and movements in which they deeply believe. Community builders: responsible, reliable, trustworthy. Hard-working and persevering, sacrificing for others, they create stability and security in their world, bringing a cooperative spirit.

    Average Levels

    Level 4: Start investing their time and energy into whatever they believe will be safe and stable. Organizing and structuring, they look to alliances and authorities for security and continuity. Constantly vigilant, anticipating problems.

    Level 5: To resist having more demands made on them, they react against others passive-aggressively. Become evasive, indecisive, cautious, procrastinating, and ambivalent. Are highly reactive, anxious, and negative, giving contradictory, "mixed signals." Internal confusion makes them react unpredictably.

    Level 6: To compensate for insecurities, they become sarcastic and belligerent, blaming others for their problems, taking a tough stance toward "outsiders." Highly reactive and defensive, dividing people into friends and enemies, while looking for threats to their own security. Authoritarian while fearful of authority, highly suspicious, yet, conspiratorial, and fear-instilling to silence their own fears.

    Unhealthy Levels

    Level 7: Fearing that they have ruined their security, they become panicky, volatile, and self-disparaging with acute inferiority feelings. Seeing themselves as defenseless, they seek out a stronger authority or belief to resolve all problems. Highly divisive, disparaging and berating others

    Level 8: Feeling persecuted, that others are "out to get them," they lash-out and act irrationally, bringing about what they fear. Fanaticism, violence.

    Level 9: Hysterical, and seeking to escape punishment, they become self-destructive and suicidal. Alcoholism, drug overdoses, "skid row," self-abasing behavior. Generally corresponds to the Passive-Aggressive and Paranoid personality disorders.
    from here

    Interestingly, Riso and Hudson put E9 as tending towards dependent disorder (as well as schizoid).
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