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Thread: Florence Welch - Florence and the Machine

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    Default Florence Welch - Florence and the Machine

    I think she is IEE; her lyrics seem full of insight and intense emotional depth to me, with metaphors related to feelings wrapped in. In interviews, she looks around a LOT, she bounces and gestures (?). I'm new to this typing stuff though, so other opinions would be nice.










    Lyrics - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6bBKLPEGg

    Seems that I have been held, in some dreaming state
    A tourist in the waking world, never quite awake
    No kiss, no gentle word could wake me from this slumber
    Until I realise that it was you who held me under

    Felt it in my fist, in my feet, in the hollows of my eyelids
    Shaking through my skull, through my spine and down through my ribs

    No more dreaming of the dead as if death itself was undone
    No more calling like a crow for a boy, for a body in the garden
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love, so in love
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love, so in love
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love with the wrong world

    And I could hear the thunder and see the lightning crack
    All around the world was waking, I never could go back
    Cos all the walls of dreaming, they were torn right open
    And finally it seemed that the spell was broken

    And all my bones began to shake, my eyes flew open
    And all my bones began to shake, my eyes flew open

    No more dreaming of the dead as if death itself was undone
    No more calling like a crow for a boy, for a body in the garden
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love, so in love
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love, so in love
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love with the wrong world

    Snow White's stitching up the circuitboards
    Synapse slipping through the hidden door
    Snow White's stitching up the circuitboard

    No more dreaming of the dead as if death itself was undone
    No more calling like a crow for a boy, for a body in the garden
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love, so in love
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love, so in love
    No more dreaming like a girl so in love with the wrong world

    Snow White's stitching up the circuitboards
    Synapse slipping through the hidden door
    Snow White's stitching up the circuitboard
    Synapse slipping through the hidden door
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    well it's not that easy to type 'em famous people since the vast majority of them are victims of MK Ultra ,so they may change alters if the interviewer triggers them

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    ^ Wha?? uhn-uh-na-no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I have her down as ISFj.
    Any particular reason why you think she's a sensing type? I could see INFj, but ISFj...she seems too "out there."

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    I'm pretty set on NF:

    ...I have phases. If left to my own devices I turn inwards and start self-loathing.

    My own brain is sometimes my worst enemy. If I keep myself excited and sort of inspired, and keep my eyes open to the world then I’m fine. If I go too inward then I’m like, “Uhh, everything’s a disaster!”.

    Contentment is a creativity killer, but don't worry—I'm very capable of making myself discontented.

    Well you have to connect with people, and make them feel like they’re part of something and inviting them in. It’s hard to describe. I feel like I’m trying to tell people something when I’m on stage, trying to get something off my chest, and be free with it as opposed to restrained. Although I would be loathe to call it grandiose. I just try to feel uninhibited because it encourages people in the audience to feel that way as well.

    “I’m productive when I’m calm,” she explains, “I think that’s where some of the dreamier imagery comes from – when I’m actually in quite a calm place and can just write. When I’m manic, then I can’t think of anything apart from, you know, heaven and hell.”

    “There are a lot of big statements on the album. I’ve always liked dealing with those – with that poetic kind of grandeur. I’m exploring with each song. You know, really taking it to the extreme. I want it to be timeless.”
    I think beta NF - I saw her live a few years back and she has an awesome stage presence and is amazing at commanding the crowd. Very dramatic, epic and lots of movement and contrast, quite Stevie Nicks/Kate Bush. Her music is pretty Se/Ni - drawn to extremes. I haven't actually watched the interview with her, might do that later.

    Asston types all the women he finds attractive ESI lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I don't correlate "out there"-ness with sociotype; I think anyone who does that is misleading themselves. Traits like that can arguably be more readily explained by Enneagram—i.e., I could easily see her being E4.
    Truth.

    Also no idea bout her type but ESI works from VI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I don't correlate "out there"-ness with sociotype; I think anyone who does that is misleading themselves. Traits like that can arguably be more readily explained by Enneagram—i.e., I could easily see her being E4.

    Looking at the excerpt octo posted, it's actually a good case example of Holographical-Panoramic (HP) cognitive style:


    In cognitive theory, the third cognitive form is the least studied: it is analytic, negative, and inductive. The provisional name of this style is Holographical-Panoramic. 'Holograph' originates from the Ancient Greek words holos "entire, whole" and grapho "write". This name is derived from the Holographist's ability to densely pack information via method of 'like to, similar' analogy. Sociotypes possessing this form are SLE, LII, IEE, ESI.


    Welch's articulation is very concise and punctuated—to a point where her speech seems fragmentary—as is typical to this style (note to blackburry: you're like this too; so is timewu, for that matter).

    A lot of ESIs get mistyped as Ns due to being HP cognitive style.

    Temperament wise, Welch is overtly IJ, ergo ruling out IEE and SLE. She's far too characteristically rigid to be any XXXp type.

    Her VI also compares favorably to other ESIs, but I don't have the patience to make an exhaustive demonstration out of that. You can do it yourself if you want here (though I'm not decidedly settled on her subtype yet, so you may want to contrast these too for good measure).



    I actually don't find her terribly attractive. She seems interesting to me, like someone I'd feel compelled to get to know, but I can't say I'm attracted. Though that's about par regarding my duals, so I suppose this makes sense.
    The link you gave is nonexistant. I just watched an interview of her- I see EII. You're just compelled to get to know oddballs, NTR.

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    When I click on it I get some gator-- contact support website

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    I find it extremely difficult to type her. Her music feels really Fe oriented. In live interviews she seems rather introverted and not overly confident as you would expect EIE to be.. yet singing in the toilets to strangers? I am lost here. She also reminds me of the females in David Lynch's films a lot...
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    She kind of strikes me a sensing type that's enamoured with the aesthetic of the intuitive, musically inclined female. Usually, it's the intuitive that goes for the aesthetic of the sensing types (especially in the music industry). Certainly strikes me as an ISFj by VI (and kind of looks like Anna Gunn, who plays Skyler in Breaking Bad).

    My view of her has generally been Ij and sensing > intuition and ethics > logic. I think the aesthetic vibe she gives off in her manner of dress and music videos is totally college aged ENFj white girl. The headbands, the unconventional dresses, the sunlight, the references to animals and the ridiculous dancing.

    Still inclined to say ISFj.

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    Yeah. she dances like a retard. =isfj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigh View Post
    Wat... I dance alright, bb maybe it's just you...?
    Sorry, I have some bad news for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigh View Post
    You just had to take the chance to say that, didn't ya? lol

    To be serious, I used to be a dancer. I was one of the good ones. Sorry to burst your dual dreams. lol And some good dancers I know are ESIs.
    wrong type. I smell Fe.




    actually in all seriousness I have an EII friend dancer who thinks she is amazing..she sucks ass at it. no one has the heart to tell her. but why should we? it's her thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigh View Post
    And you're LSI.


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    What an annoying looking human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    What an annoying looking human.

    ya, she does look pretty annoying :/ or at the very least pretty full of herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    actually in all seriousness I have an EII friend dancer who thinks she is amazing..she sucks ass at it. no one has the heart to tell her. but why should we? it's her thing.
    Aww
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    Yes, ISFj is something I am leaning to too...
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    "Kiss With a Fist" makes me think Se/Ni.

    Not sure beyond that.

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    ESI Se probably

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    Obviously ILE. HA as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc View Post
    I think the aesthetic vibe she gives off in her manner of dress and music videos is totally college aged ENFj white girl. The headbands, the unconventional dresses, the sunlight, the references to animals and the ridiculous dancing.
    lol, this is so true.

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    She dances like a spazz. The ILE's social role is to be the first person dancing in order to draw love towards them.

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    Just being the first person up and dancing. Sure you're an idiot, but the minute someone joins you, it's a party. This is a scheme seen in HA--trying to get an environment of positive relatedness going but implemented through the ILE's role as a vanguard of initiation and contact.

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    Oh, there's nothing stylistic to her being ILE, just what she does is very ILE. Sorry, not being specific with my words.

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    I feel like I have a similar sense of humor as her. In the last video at least. Like if I'm bored, I might babble stuff like that. She just milks it.

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    I also don't get how is she ESI-Se. But ESI's in general are a huge mistery to me. Aren't they suppose to be serious, cold, guarded and often traditional individuals? Even the ESI subtypes are called moralist and traditionalist. People I type ESI are completely different than this chick

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    I also don't get how is she ESI-Se. But ESI's in general are a huge mistery to me. Aren't they suppose to be serious, cold, guarded and often traditional individuals? Even the ESI subtypes are called moralist and traditionalist. People I type ESI are completely different than this chick
    Sure, but there's room for other behavioral traits also. You don't know what goes on in their heads and the extent of those traits you listed probably has to do with other factors. She's exaggerated, and she might not even be ESI, but still. I might not be ESI either, whatever, I'm not attached to it anymore. Guarded, serious, anxious, practical, sure, but I don't feel like I'm someone's repressed russian grandmother either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    . Aren't they suppose to be serious, cold, guarded and often traditional individuals?
    Well, ESIs can be in say, rock bands, high level research, serie A soccer. They will still come off as somewhat serious, reserved and stubborn, but also show the typical traits of a rock band member, high level researcher or serie A soccer player. IME. So I think it's kinda wrong to think about ESIs as "traditional"...sure though they almost always would like to have a nuclear family and a big nice house, ime.

    I think the woman in the video is SEI or ESE tbh...
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    She's actually ESE

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    florence seems ESE to me

    like maybe sp-first E2
    There was no place that destruction did not touch...At best it made everything feel flooded, urgent, while pushing towards decay and exposing the imminent failure of managing to maintain a form at all. Inside this was the kernel of wholeness. She could be broken down into a small, granular piece, a bit of debris jostling against other bits of debris, and in that friction there was some sense of having a boundary or a presence, and that thing-ness of the self, reduced to a basic instinctive sensation, was an almost-nothing feeling that, in its small hard knot of a numb halo, made it clear to her that you were here, you were now.

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    After watching some interviews, Florence seems on a 6/7 line to me. xEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    So what makes this woman ESI? I mean, I'm not the one to go by pics or videos, but there are no ESI or even Gamma vibes in these videos. In fact, I see a lot of Fe-style reactive emotions. A huge Alpha vibe. Total immaturity.
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    She's actually ESE
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    This is the educated guess I'm talking about!
    this alpha ESE would like to smack you around and punch you in the face

    if this song isn't the most obvious expression of what's called Se in socionics then I wholly give up on it. how are you typing this woman as a "caregiver"?


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    Yeah, ESI imo also.

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