Marilyn Manson (old discussion)

**Slava** · 05-19-2005, 05:39 PM

Based on the interview I would say ENTp.

**diamond** · 05-19-2005, 07:09 PM

I saw him on Howard Stern with a rabid fan. He was as diplomatic as could possibly be expected. So I say infp. Too wild to be a j!

**discourse** · 05-19-2005, 07:12 PM

Too wild to be a j!

Actually, that is related to

. Being crazy and eccentric is mostly about Extroverted Ethics. ESFj and ISFp are masters at this.

**diamond** · 05-19-2005, 08:36 PM

I have found most musicians to be introverted . . . they let their wild side out through music!

**Lee** · 05-20-2005, 12:14 AM

ISFP

**science as magic** · 05-20-2005, 06:29 AM

http://www.socionics.com/vi/vi.htm

Looks exactly like the second INTP with dark hair and semi puckered lips in that thing.

**WVBRY** · 05-20-2005, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kaido

Too wild to be a j!

Actually, that is related to

. Being crazy and eccentric is mostly about Extroverted Ethics. ESFj and ISFp are masters at this.

Really? I would have thought being crazy and eccentric has to do with being crazy and eccentric. :wink: Although I admit that one ENFj woman I know is great at this. And consider this from socionics.com about INFps:

"theyre apearnce may seem kind of foppish".

So maybe your right about him having

in the ego block.

The again the same is true for ENFps, from what Ive noticed, So I dont know. You have a good point, but Im not sure if I agree or not.

However I dont think hes a sensing type. The face is too elongated to be sensing, at least from what I know about VI. Can anyone correct me if Im wrong?

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 08:26 PM

Lots of drugs (weak Si)
Lots of obscure beliefs (Strong Ni)

Anything else? My guess would be INTp. I was just listening to an interview with him on a radio show, and his speech pattern and humor is REALLY similar to my INTp brother-in-law.

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 08:37 PM

He's even got the "victimized" look.

Skinny as hell, too. 6'1", 140...yeesh.

**Dioklecian** · 01-30-2006, 08:39 PM

Gilligan what about the parents? And I don't agree with INTP, he is not theoretical, nor religious

**Dioklecian** · 01-30-2006, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by gilligan87

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He's even got the "victimized" look.

.

Not as a child

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dioklecian

And I don't agree with INTP, he is not theoretical, nor religious

Is this a joke? He has really strong "religious" convictions about belief in self and "being your own god," is a priest in the Church of Satan, and claims to be influences by the philosophy of Anton LaVey (think Ayn Rand, Alastor Crowley). You could probably find a few chapters of his book, "Long, Hard Road Out of Hell" online if you looked.

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Not as a child

It's also a glamour shot, and he's smiling. I don't know anyone who looks victimized (even INTps) when they're smiling.

**Raver** · 01-30-2006, 08:52 PM

I heard he is a staunch conservative if that helps. Maybe he is an INTJ, though then he wouldn't be joining a satanic religion. I would say INFP or INFJ, I think he is a feeler, it's just so hard to tell behind his public image.

**Dioklecian** · 01-30-2006, 08:52 PM

You want my guess? ISFJ

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 08:53 PM

Even with all the drugs? He's about as non-traditional as they come, too...

**Dioklecian** · 01-30-2006, 08:55 PM

Conservative? That fits with ISFJ

**Dioklecian** · 01-30-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused

I heard he is a staunch conservative if that helps. Maybe he is an INTJ, though then he wouldn't be joining a satanic religion. I would say INFP or INFJ, I think he is a feeler, it's just so hard to tell behind his public image.

I meant this

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 10:35 PM

Oh.

He's not a traditional conservative. More along the lines of Ayn Rand, who tends to appeal to the NT crowd.

**Dioklecian** · 01-30-2006, 10:37 PM

Mr Cone has said one smart thing that I know of: Rand is ISTJ. And so is Mansoson's father I believe.

**Gilly** · 01-30-2006, 11:02 PM

Mr. Cone has said plenty of other smart things. And Rand could very easily be ISTj (albeit one who wants to be an ENTp).

I can see ISTj for the dad. However, I'm stuck on INTp for Manson. Religious, obscure beliefs, victimized eyes...

**Catholic Schoolboy** · 01-30-2006, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Gilligan what about the parents? And I don't agree with INTP, he is not theoretical, nor religious

I'm anti religion, pro ethics, athough I am fascinated by religion. Don’t fucking stereotype types. Actually I know two other INTps, only one claims a religion.

Having said that I don’t think Manson is INTp.

**Gilly** · 01-31-2006, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sycophant

Having said that I don’t think Manson is INTp.

Any reason? What would you propose that he is?

Creepy-pokeball · 01-31-2006, 12:41 AM

ENTp!

**Dioklecian** · 01-31-2006, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Mr Cone has said one smart thing that I know of: Rand is ISTJ. And so is Mansoson's father I believe.

I mean Cone has said at least one thing that I am sure of, he might have said many more of course, but I would not be sure.

Its' a compliment!

**mimisor** · 01-31-2006, 10:29 AM

I don't think INTj. I can't see the

polr. Maybe

polr?

and i guess conservative and traditional is the same thing, dudes =p

**ScarlettLux** · 01-31-2006, 12:29 PM

NO, NO, NO!.

Definitely not an INTJ. I know one, and they are just not likely to go all out crazy with makeup, and persona like this guy. They're more formal, and, just ... no.

If anything, I'd say an INxP.

**UDP** · 01-31-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

NO, NO, NO!.

Definitely not an INTJ. I know one, and they are just not likely to go all out crazy with makeup, and persona like this guy. They're more formal, and, just ... no.

If anything, I'd say an INxP.

Yeah, Manson......... INTj............. no.

He seems like a cool guy and all, when he's doing his calm interviews.
I don't know that an INTj would really find life as a "musician" to be interesting enough.

**UDP** · 01-31-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by gilligan87

Lots of drugs (weak Si)
Lots of obscure beliefs (Strong Ni)

Anything else? My guess would be INTp. I was just listening to an interview with him on a radio show, and his speech pattern and humor is REALLY similar to my INTp brother-in-law.

Yeah, I could see that too

**Gilly** · 01-31-2006, 03:22 PM

He's not an Alpha; he's far too concerned with getting his message out there. Having his music heard is the means to an end for him. He wants to deliver the message of disbelief in popular culture and "sheep" Christianity that's so prevalent; it seems that making "good" music is a secondary priority. In the interview, when the host remarks on all the negative attention he's getting, Brian says "Well, at least they're talking about me." An Alpha would be more likely to say "I know, and I wanna dispel all these rumors so the fucking pricks will leave me alone for two seconds."

**diamond** · 01-31-2006, 08:44 PM

I think he's intp. I saw him once on Howard Stern; he was quite sensitive and diplomatic with an enthusiastic fan. Yet I still think he's hard on the inside, like intp's.

**Dioklecian** · 02-04-2006, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by gilligan87

He's not an Alpha; he's far too concerned with getting his message out there. Having his music heard is the means to an end for him. He wants to deliver the message of disbelief in popular culture and "sheep" Christianity that's so prevalent; it seems that making "good" music is a secondary priority. In the interview, when the host remarks on all the negative attention he's getting, Brian says "Well, at least they're talking about me." An Alpha would be more likely to say "I know, and I wanna dispel all these rumors so the fucking pricks will leave me alone for two seconds."

OK Gilligan I checked it and read a few quotes of his and they reminded me of some crap I heard from an INTP teacher I had, something about the evolution taking care of all the stupid people. So I will agree with you, but he is very outlandinsh for and INTP, sucking dicks on stage and stuff

**machintruc** · 06-13-2007, 12:20 PM

I don't really like his artistic production or his behaviour, but he seems very EIE to me...

**Expat** · 06-13-2007, 12:39 PM

Yeah, I agree.

Kristiina won't be happy -- she seems to be tired of seeing pop singers typed as EIEs.

Let's make out our own rock band, Kristiina, and play in the London underground -- we'll starve, but it will have been for something we believe in.

**Animal** · 06-13-2007, 01:01 PM

lol, those subway musicians do pretty well, actually. Even just a $10 note every hour is above minimum wage, and these people get way more than that once they get a crowd around them at midday.

**olduser** · 06-14-2007, 08:13 AM

That's a hard life if you aren't talented. I think you could make money if get one of your friends to put on boxing gloves and then you beat the shit out of eachother in the subway. i bet you would make more than minimum wage before you get arrested or killed or whatever.

manson seems EIE. I like him. He is very calm and reasonable despite what is typically derived from his persona and appearance.

**Gilly** · 06-14-2007, 09:01 PM

Beta NF, at least. A respectable guy for sure, if you actually know anything about him or have seen/heard him speak.

**machintruc** · 06-14-2007, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gilly

Beta NF, at least. A respectable guy for sure, if you actually know anything about him or have seen/heard him speak.

Or could he be IEI, but he's more likely to be EIE, because Judgers are, on average, more verbally expressive than Percievers.

MM seems to resemble ****** (which is himself EIE) - very expressive and idealistic, but quite passive, doesn't seem "extroverted" outside sociability and expressiveness. EIE is the "extrovert" version of IEI.

**eunice** · 06-15-2007, 03:48 AM

He looks scary.

**Ms. Kensington** · 01-15-2008, 07:18 AM

just heard a talk show with him. EIE is my vote. very much so.

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