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    Default Identical TWINS... check this out, it's very interesting.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...photography#/1

    I was thinking about it in terms of VI... some of them really do have different shaped chins and eyes from each other. It's intriguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...photography#/1

    I was thinking about it in terms of VI... some of them really do have different shaped chins and eyes from each other. It's intriguing.
    Oh this is very interesting.

    I definitely think identical twins can be different sociotypes, however I think I've also seen Identical twins who were separated have the same sociotype as well as of course identical twins who are raised together.

    There is something unknown that occurs between conception and early child hood that can change sociotype.

    It may be possible that many twins raised together are Mirror types or some other socionic relationship, because of the desire to differentiate in a small way.

    I think WA here is a identical twin.

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    I know 2 sets of identical twins, and they clearly pertain to the same sociotype, set-wise.

    Of course, I cannot make any clear inference from this observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...photography#/1

    I was thinking about it in terms of VI... some of them really do have different shaped chins and eyes from each other. It's intriguing.
    Well yes, some things they share, some things they differ in. If there would be no differences whatsoever we would not have the right to refer to them as two different objects as we do now.

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    interesting - WA what type is your identical twin?

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    Yeah, but those articles are saying that they are different in their preferences, that's not socionically related. Socionics is about information processing not how one information is processed in all people of a certain type. It was clear to Jung that pegging what object will make what impression on a person is impossible. He said, if only we are able to make a distinction of what objects make an impression, then we can know easily of which type is which, but we aren't able to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    interesting - WA what type is your identical twin?
    we're thinking EII...

    she's one of the very few people in my life that i've talked socionics with, but she's not too interested in it right now per what i'm aware of. She thought it was kinda cool, but didn't really want to get too in depth with it, and it's the sort of thing that i cant really explain too well in a clear concise way to her...
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    Cool article. The first twins are soooooo adorable!
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    the differences are negligible. complete non-story and a further confirmation that twins VI the same.

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    Yeah, they must be totally unique with all their preferrences. They just 90% of the time favour identical hairstyles.
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    Commenter above happens to be funny.

    I'm an identical twin. She is SEE i am ESI. Some would say I'm SEE so there ya go. We VI similarly with a slight difference. (If you think VI is mostly about bone structure, think again)

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    these are very clearly photoshopped to all shit- are they even twins?

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    About half of them I think have different Px. Just the way they focus their eyes.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carrina View Post
    Commenter above happens to be funny.

    I'm an identical twin. She is SEE i am ESI. Some would say I'm SEE so there ya go. We VI similarly with a slight difference. (If you think VI is mostly about bone structure, think again)
    Do you think its possible that the two of you, being so much alike, yet knowing each other so well, are super-aware of the particular differences between your personalities, so that when typing each other you focus maybe a bit too much on the differences? Anyway, both are Gamma's so that makes sense. Interestign that you type each other as Mirrors when twins often mirror each other. Also, some twins are literal "mirrors" in that one is a lefty, the other right, and their hair parts on opposite sides, and they cross opposite legs... such is the case with the twins I mention below. At any rate, if you are ever doubting your conclusion, looking at Model A for ESI and SEE, and Reinin dichotomies for the two, might get you more sure.

    The two young girls whose mom takes them shopping separately, and they pick out the same clothes, reminded me of my ex's twin sisters. One Christmastime they had both secretly and excited shared with us their exciting surprise-gift for their twin - they had both picked out the same sapphire ring for each other and were both equally clueless of the possibility the the other had bought the same thing. Their surprise, which we had all anticipated, when they opened their gifts on Christmas morning was precious! What made it even more interesting was there was a previous Christmas when they both excitedly bought each other the same watch! In both cases, neither had expressed a desire for a watch or a ring, they just had the same inspiration for a great surprise the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carrina View Post
    Commenter above happens to be funny.

    I'm an identical twin. She is SEE i am ESI. Some would say I'm SEE so there ya go. We VI similarly with a slight difference. (If you think VI is mostly about bone structure, think again)
    mirror relations....makes sense for identical twins. interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Do you think its possible that the two of you, being so much alike, yet knowing each other so well, are super-aware of the particular differences between your personalities, so that when typing each other you focus maybe a bit too much on the differences? Anyway, both are Gamma's so that makes sense. Interestign that you type each other as Mirrors when twins often mirror each other. Also, some twins are literal "mirrors" in that one is a lefty, the other right, and their hair parts on opposite sides, and they cross opposite legs... such is the case with the twins I mention below. At any rate, if you are ever doubting your conclusion, looking at Model A for ESI and SEE, and Reinin dichotomies for the two, might get you more sure.

    The two young girls whose mom takes them shopping separately, and they pick out the same clothes, reminded me of my ex's twin sisters. One Christmastime they had both secretly and excited shared with us their exciting surprise-gift for their twin - they had both picked out the same sapphire ring for each other and were both equally clueless of the possibility the the other had bought the same thing. Their surprise, which we had all anticipated, when they opened their gifts on Christmas morning was precious! What made it even more interesting was there was a previous Christmas when they both excitedly bought each other the same watch! In both cases, neither had expressed a desire for a watch or a ring, they just had the same inspiration for a great surprise the same time.
    She doesn't know Socionics, i typed us both.
    We're mirror image twins lol. So I'm a clone.

    Yeah I've looked at dichotomies and model A fit myself. I have an emphasis on se but i think in fi+si, but i don't talk about fi stuff. I talk about te or ti stuff. Anyway with dichotomies I'm a clear esi. ESI-C fits me really well. I rarely ever react to polr problems. It happens, but almost never. (I'm not afraid of not knowing outcomes of situations) and sometimes i go all ne and love new ideas. But I'm still ne polr. The other type that i could see for myself is SEE-N or H.
    But it's all speculation at this point and I'm not horribly concerned with the outcome. Not sure there is much of a difference between ESI-C and SEE-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    mirror relations....makes sense for identical twins. interesting!
    Mirror image twins at that!

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    Oh hell. I'll post the pic of us. Please note, we didn't intend on making exactly the same expression. It's funny because this is not a facial expression that either of us keep on our faces often, or ever if i can recall properly. She's wearing makeup. When we were younger i cannot tell the difference between photographs of us. (When she was thinner)

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    Quote Originally Posted by carrina View Post
    Oh hell. I'll post the pic of us. Please note, we didn't intend on making exactly the same expression. It's funny because this is not a facial expression that either of us keep on our faces often, or ever if i can recall properly. She's wearing makeup. When we were younger i cannot tell the difference between photographs of us. (When she was thinner)

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    wow that's amazing! my sister and i dont look that much alike... we can tell each other apart in all our childhood photos without difficulty
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    Quote Originally Posted by carrina View Post
    She doesn't know Socionics, i typed us both.
    We're mirror image twins lol. So I'm a clone.

    Yeah I've looked at dichotomies and model A fit myself. I have an emphasis on se but i think in fi+si, but i don't talk about fi stuff. I talk about te or ti stuff. Anyway with dichotomies I'm a clear esi. ESI-C fits me really well. I rarely ever react to polr problems. It happens, but almost never. (I'm not afraid of not knowing outcomes of situations) and sometimes i go all ne and love new ideas. But I'm still ne polr. The other type that i could see for myself is SEE-N or H.
    But it's all speculation at this point and I'm not horribly concerned with the outcome. Not sure there is much of a difference between ESI-C and SEE-H.
    I have not much followed that kind of subtyping. The other just makes sense to me (the N,H etc. did not make sense at first pass, and I never went back to it, is all). I wonder if often twins would be the same on type but differing subtypes... because in any well-ordered pair, over time one's strengths get stronger from use, and ones weaknesses get weaker, maybe, because you can rely on the other to do it for you.

    At any rate, with your comment, "... but i don't talk about fi stuff. I talk about te or ti stuff." it makes ESI a good fit! An MBTI book I read some time back explained a difference between Extroverts and Introverts in an analogy of a General in an army and a Private (or assistant). The General would be the main part of one's personality, the private would be the assisting part (not the main). The Extrovert keeps the private inside his tent taking care of less important matters, paperwork, etc., and he, the General, goes out to meet the people. The Introvert General stays inside the tent taking care of important matters and sends the Private out to meet the people and take care of those less important matters.
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