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    I think different types have different ideas of happiness (obviously) but discussion is fun... I can understand your points, but I wanted to raise some interesting issues with them.

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    - Many researches/articles/wise old people I've seen suggest that relationships are a key-factor in long-term happiness. Would this make extroverted feelers happier than introverted thinkers?
    Assuming that extroverted feelers tend to be better at meeting new people (and introverted thinkers less so, I'm assuming this is your reasoning) - I think it depends on the quality of the relationships rather than the quantity - if you have a lot of friends, chances are a lot of those are leechy, headache-inducing friendships.

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    - Religious beliefs or a philosophic point of view that gives life a meaning and helps to cope with difficulties/the feeling of being part of something "bigger" makes people happier. Intuitive types > sensing types?
    On the other hand, intuitive types tend to be "pickier" with their intuition... a sensing type might be satisfied with an introspective point of view a dual/friend etc. tells them and wander off on their merry way, but an intuitive type might search forever for meaning and not find any.
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    I remember some hearsay about INT's being the less likely to get married, and if that's true, then introverted thinkers may find it harder to be happy. I guess if one has the energy to engage in relationships (E over I) and the ability to understand and fine tune your approach to people and conversation (F over T), it may lead to more satisfactory and easier relations. Indeed, sometimes I feel that I cannot be bothered socialising/being concerned for others/caring about how others are, yet I still wish that people still wish to talk to me/care about me/entertain me with their antics. I would argue that extroverted feelers probably have greater concern and ability to sustain conversation and are more focused on people than things within a conversation, and that this allows for stronger and more relationships to develop, the presence of which may make extroverted feelers more happy.

    However, those same people may lack the sense of clarity of thought or contentment alone that introverted thinkers may have. Which isn't to say that I think introverted thinkers aren't less happy than extroverted feelers, just that it's a point to remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octo View Post
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    Good points, thanks! I definitely agree on the importance of quality over quantity in friends, but maybe the feeler types are better at that too?

    I can imagine e.g LIIs having a hard time with making friends, being IJ-tempered thinkers with Fi role and Se polr. My LII brother used to be a real cliche for a nerd for years, always at home on his computer and having zero friends, whereas my ESE sister has been quite the opposite (they are twins and classmates so much of this, I think, is related to personality rather than environment). There was also a LII guy in my class in secondary school and it was the same with him - the rare attempts to socialise with others eventually led into him being bullied by half of the class. I'm not saying that majority of any IXTxs type are like that, but I assume a bigger percentage of them than EXFxs.

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    Good post

    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    (I'm not extremely serious with this, there are tons of ntr issues and so, but it's a nice thought experiment even if highly theoretical.)
    This is what I keep telling people.

    I have a intuitive feeling that IEE might be the happiest type there is.
    But this might be just Henry-related
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    - Many researches/articles/wise old people I've seen suggest that relationships are a key-factor in long-term happiness. Would this make extroverted feelers happier than introverted thinkers?

    This might be true to some part, but I believe that since feelers are more oriented to the relationship aspects of life, that success or failure in this area might play a bigger role in their happiness. (contrary to thinkers)

    - Having poor health quite possibly affects a persons happiness levels. A Si- related issue..?

    Poor health would probably in most cases lower a persons level of happines, and it might be that people with strong Si takes better care of themselves.
    That doesn't mean that Si-doms are healthier though.
    Type might play in in that way that health issues play a bigger or smaller role for the level of happiness, in relation to life goals or the like.

    - Religious beliefs or a philosophic point of view that gives life a meaning and helps to cope with difficulties/the feeling of being part of something "bigger" makes people happier. Intuitive types > sensing types?

    I think that Intuitive people might be more prone to existential crisis.
    Otherwise I think type might play a bigger part in what kind of philosophy someone is drawn to.
    In we assume that with the ability to live according to ones beliefs plays a big role in achieving happiness we might assume that certain types could have a harder time to achieve succes in this area.
    For example certain types might have forced upon beliefs that are unhealthy that other types wouldn't "accept".

    Over and out.

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    E7s seem pretty happy. But if type plays any part in happiness, it would be very minor compared to all the other factors. The most reliable way to be happy is to be thankful.

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    E7s seem pretty happy. But if type plays any part in happiness, it would be very minor compared to all the other factors. The most reliable way to be happy is to be thankful.
    I have no opinion on E7s being more happy than others, but otherwise I agree with this. Happiness I think is more about where you are in your life and whom you're with, and also it's about attitude, and I think "thankful" is a good way of explaining the attitude that leads to happiness. Appreciate what you have rather than feel bad about what you don't have. If your situation and mental and physical health are reasonably good (and I understand that isn't always the case by a long shot), then how happy you are is to at least some degree a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    I have a intuitive feeling that IEE might be the happiest type there is.
    I've thought about that too. They're extroverted, laid back, open-minded, good with social situations and able to carry out their plans and take action. Pretty much my ideal personality. However, I've met tons of IEEs that seem almost too happy to exist, but after I've gotten to know them personally/they've opened up to me that's not been the case at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plotter View Post
    I think that Intuitive people might be more prone to existential crisis.
    Didn't think about that, but it feels very reasonable!

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    Ep types push though their self feelings, being drained. Because their orientation is to ignore connecting with what senses that come into them and do or engage in an activity, like baking, hiking, cooking, mowing the lawn, etc. Ij types don't, they submit to it due to lack of will.

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    Lack of will?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Lack of will?
    Seriously, have you read the EII descriptions? Jesus. *Someone please get this girl a Socionics dictionary*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Seriously, have you read the EII descriptions? Jesus. *Someone please get this girl a Socionics dictionary*
    I know it's a stereotype.


    Hey, EIIs! Do you submit due to lack of will?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Hey, EIIs! Do you submit due to lack of will?
    No

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Lack of will?
    Maritsa was thinking about lack of will to live, she wants to kill herself or she is thinking about something entirely else and I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    No
    Then you're typing yourself according to the wrong system and I type you SEE type, confirm that and add you to my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Then you're typing yourself according to the wrong system and I type you SEE type, confirm that and add you to my list.
    Bwahaha!

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    Henry looks like he could be an Avatar, if he were blue.

    I agree with Slacker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Ep types push though their self feelings, being drained. Because their orientation is to ignore connecting with what senses that come into them and do or engage in an activity, like baking, hiking, cooking, mowing the lawn, etc. Ij types don't, they submit to it due to lack of will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Then you're typing yourself according to the wrong system and I type you SEE type, confirm that and add you to my list.
    I was saying this in the shoutbox the other day, you have some legitimately good ideas. In theory, you are dealing with a consistent typing system as everyone else here. It's a shame you're piss-poor in its application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Then you're typing yourself according to the wrong system and I type you SEE type, confirm that and add you to my list.
    "Arsal, do you submit due to lack of will?"
    "DA, submit to whom and what kind of will?"
    "If you didn't want to sit in a different chair, and Pirate was pressuring you to give him yours, would you be able to resist?"
    "I'm too nice generally, so I'm not sure, but there have been times where I've been pigheaded."
    "Actually, if Pirate asked me nicely and said "I'm tired" then I would give him my seat, but otherwise, no."
    "That's what I thought. EIIs are submissive, but not due to lack of willpower."

    Being nice is not equivalent to lacking willpower. EIIs and SEIs are nice, but then can "put their foot down."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Then you're typing yourself according to the wrong system and I type you SEE type, confirm that and add you to my list.
    Now this is hilarious. I'd like to hear where do you see the Ti polr in me? And what about the supposed Se-dominance? I myself think my Se polr is quite obvious, but of course it's more difficult to judge based on posts on a internet forum than real life.

    Also, I'd like to hear if anyone else has an opinion on my type, even if it's just a gut feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    I've thought about that too. They're extroverted, laid back, open-minded, good with social situations and able to carry out their plans and take action. Pretty much my ideal personality. However, I've met tons of IEEs that seem almost too happy to exist, but after I've gotten to know them personally/they've opened up to me that's not been the case at all.
    Being IEE doesn't automatically make you good at social situations because there are other factors involved as well such as social anxiety. We may be happier than most people as a result of being overly optimistic, but if this doesn't materialize after some time then it will lead to inevitable sadness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    I have a intuitive feeling that IEE might be the happiest type there is.
    Oh, how I wish this was true for the IEEs I know. I've found that they are skilled at hiding their inner turmoil, and oftentimes they are experiencing some. What happens with the IEEs I know is that they come off emotionally solid on the outside and let all the tension build up on the inside over time, and eventually they lash out when it becomes too much to bear. Needless to say, that moment of explosion is never pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    - Many researches/articles/wise old people I've seen suggest that relationships are a key-factor in long-term happiness. Would this make extroverted feelers happier than introverted thinkers?
    I've read in some socionics article that Fe-ego types are somewhat more likely than other types to avoid relationships that in socionics are considered to be unfavorable. Overall I'm not sure whether it is T-types or F-types that would benefit the most from this in terms of happiness - being Fi/Fe-leading or creative doesn't seem to dissuade people from getting into train-wrecks of relationships, so if there is a correlation between Fe/Fi and EQ it is definitely not a strong one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    - Religious beliefs or a philosophic point of view that gives life a meaning and helps to cope with difficulties/the feeling of being part of something "bigger" makes people happier. Intuitive types > sensing types?
    Imo that is not related to N/S scale. There is a multitude of reasons for why people choose to turn to religion or spirituality. With being part of something "bigger", I'd think that extraverts and people with so-primary/secondary in instinctual stackings would be more socially involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    - Would irrational types be happier for being more adaptable to changes and having a high stress tolerance? Or rationals for their tendency to plan ahead and prepare?
    Would depends on conditions/circumstances - rationals will do better under some conditions than irrationals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    -Positivist/Negativist types?
    This dichotomy doesn't directly translate to Optimism/Pessimism though the name might imply it. Negativists are negativist not in the sense that they have a negative outlook on life but in the sense that they pay attention to the lack of, the null, what's missing. But it is not like they become deeply depressed while they are at it. From what I gather it is just their general mindset.

    This article - link - mentions that left/result types are generally more resistant to stress and depression while process/right types are less resistant because their thought process doesn't loop back to correct itself. If you scroll to the very bottom of this article is lists types wrt their stress resistance. (as a bonus it also ranks types according to their masculinity/femininity).

    General happiness of type may also depend on its prevalence. In socionics it is popular to consider that types are equally distributed and that no type is screwed with respect to finding duals. In MBTI statistics show that the distribution is heavily skewed in favor of Si-ego types while all four Ni-egos type are the least prevalent in population. If this is true, quadra distributions then will be likewise skewed, making Delta and Alpha the most numerous quadra while Beta and Gamma would be the least populous ones. The types that are more rare in population may be less happy simply due to the fact that they will feel less accepted, more often running into individuals who think quite differently from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    And what about the supposed Se-dominance? I myself think my Se polr is quite obvious, but of course it's more difficult to judge based on posts on a internet forum than real life.
    She has no clue of her surroundings. Me and my brother have fought with Agarina. It's terrible. I don't know how Se PoLRs should fight, but she uses cowardly tactics, gets easily hurt, cheats truce and gets easily upset when more than expected pain is gained.

    People please, waving the NTR card around doesn't answer anything. World is full of most bizarre connections, most of them which we won't propably find. Why not be playful with theories instead of dismissing them, or at least answer how different types are happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Seriously, have you read the EII descriptions? Jesus. *Someone please get this girl a Socionics dictionary*
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