ESXj What's my type?

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[Today 06:11 PM] hkkmr : oh
[Today 06:11 PM] hkkmr : anyway I don't know why people insist mountain dew is ESE
[Today 06:11 PM] hkkmr : he really don't see other people's motivations very well
[Today 06:11 PM] Absurd : Damn, I'm sooo smart I can't handle it.
[Today 06:12 PM] Mother Slacker : he seems Fe-ish and doesn't seem EIE I guess
[Today 06:12 PM] Mother Slacker : and he seems Ej ish
[Today 06:12 PM] Mountain Dew : what type do you think I am then hkkmr?
[Today 06:12 PM] Mother Slacker : to me anyway
[Today 06:12 PM] Traveler : I think MD is ESE, you just don't want him in your quadra hkkmr, lol.
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : LSE is a lot better
[Today 06:12 PM] Mountain Dew : lol someone else said they thought I was Te ego the other day
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : traveler
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : he got typed ESE by people that type themselves gamma
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : and hate him
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : lol
[Today 06:12 PM] Absurd : Hehe.
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : anyways there's also the stereotype that ESE are 2's
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : which is BS imo
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : all sort of bad ideas running around on this forum
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : I typed him ESE too and that's my benefactor
[Today 06:13 PM] BulletsAndDoves : both esfj and estj have Ni polrs. he's sooo much morelike an esfj than he is an estj
[Today 06:13 PM] Mountain Dew : for like the past 9 months, it's always been ESXj for me
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : it's like most people on this forum never had a ESE friend
[Today 06:13 PM] Traveler : Well I agree with you on the stereotype that ESEs are 2.
[Today 06:13 PM] BulletsAndDoves : esfj looks more 'faggy and sensitive' in the face, estj is more rational and cold. MD has a cute emotional face
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : I don't see Te at all and I see Fe
[Today 06:13 PM] Traveler : But I think gammas hate him because he's in an opposing quadra. haha
[Today 06:13 PM] BulletsAndDoves : he doesn't look like an estj at all
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : A huge percentage of my friends are ESE
[Today 06:13 PM] Director Abbie : "Um, I don't have to turn everything blue - what's it called - select everything, to..." -My SLI mom, on the computer
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : my mother in law is ESE
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : intead of talking about motivations he talks about the semantic
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : of gay vs bisexual
[Today 06:14 PM] Absurd : Cute emotional face, oh fack
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : kinda of pendantic stuff
[Today 06:14 PM] Traveler : I see lots of from MD, and an PoLR too
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : emotional face = nothing
[Today 06:14 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Quite purely, estjs are like straight men in business suits that have a problem with gay men and are just very hard working and traditional and don't like laziness. they don't like people that just sit there and write.
[Today 06:14 PM] Mother Slacker : well that's a political thing more than a type-related thing
[Today 06:14 PM] BulletsAndDoves : now i know im generalizing, of course i know not all estjs are homophobic and everything or like that
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : what Fe? it's all fake
[Today 06:14 PM] BulletsAndDoves : but that is the conflict in a pure raw way. thats all I mean
[Today 06:14 PM] Mother Slacker : I have no doubt at all there are gay LSEs
[Today 06:15 PM] Mother Slacker : i don't think it's fake and i don't see anything at all LSE-ish
[Today 06:15 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Yeah I agree
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : I have a LSE friend who is female
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : that's very much like mountain dew
[Today 06:15 PM] BulletsAndDoves : but they are Te-ego and are just stereotypically so....business-y
[Today 06:15 PM] Absurd : I didn't know you're homosexual BnD, really.
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : anyways LSE also have Fe as a bold function
[Today 06:15 PM] Mother Slacker : you think no one knows any ESEs or knows what they're talking about, but I think your'e typing him that way because you dont' want him in your quadra
[Today 06:15 PM] Mountain Dew : hmm
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : also look at someone like FDG
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : is he business like
[Today 06:15 PM] Absurd : It is settled and decided then hkkmr - MD is female.
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : or businessy?
[Today 06:15 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Cute Absurd. =)
[Today 06:16 PM] BulletsAndDoves : I see what you did there.
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : yes FDG kind of is
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : certainly way more than MD
[Today 06:16 PM] hkkmr : mountain dew is more pedantic then fdg by far
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : MD is like a overly friendly teacher type
[Today 06:16 PM] hkkmr : not imo
[Today 06:16 PM] BulletsAndDoves : fdg isn't an estj at all , sorry =p
[Today 06:16 PM] BulletsAndDoves : i mean MD
[Today 06:16 PM] Traveler : lol Absurd
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : like a college prof
[Today 06:16 PM] hkkmr : you guys haven't met many LSE's
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : he isn't at all LSE and I don't even know how you even slightly see that
[Today 06:17 PM] BulletsAndDoves : yeah . He's also nosy in a way that they are
[Today 06:17 PM] hkkmr : they're jokey/etc
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : bullshit
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : don't make assumptions about who we know
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : they can be jokey but they aren't like MD
[Today 06:17 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr are you trolling?
[Today 06:17 PM] Absurd : You've got best LSE in world here...
[Today 06:17 PM] Traveler : LSEs are like Absurd , the subs, subs are more formal.
[Today 06:17 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Hkkmr don't troll me and slacker just because we are sensitive. =)
[Today 06:17 PM] walker31 : hi,
[Today 06:17 PM] hkkmr : With the first acquaintance SHTIRLITS is produced not only solid impression, but still and it seems benevolent and affable. However, as soon as the matter it reaches work and distribution of tasks, it is converted into the serious, assembled, concentrated leader, and the places for no smiles remains on his face.
[Today 06:18 PM] Traveler : hey walker
[Today 06:18 PM] Mother Slacker : he is nothing like any LSEs
[Today 06:18 PM] hkkmr : In relations with people LSE works out a definite image, style of behaviour, which she considers adequate. By this is meant correctness, restraint, politeness, and good breeding. Her style, in this regard, can be considered stereotypically “English” in mannerism. Usually her behaviour is subordinated to certain norms, standards, effected by community expectations, as she understands them. But if a situation departs from the customary framework – she is lost, in the absence of flexibility she finds it difficult to rapidly change her style of behaviour.She lacks the ability to sense the emotional state another, the degree of his/her vulnerability. Therefore LSE frequently will try to aid others in work but avoid the manifestation of feelings. To her significant other she finds it more easy to give a gift than to say, “I love you.” If such is requested from her he may appear astonished, feeling that her feelings are already evident.
[Today 06:18 PM] Absurd : I always smile.
[Today 06:18 PM] hkkmr : She lacks the ability to sense the emotional state another, the degree of his/her vulnerability. Therefore LSE frequently will try to aid others in work but avoid the manifestation of feelings. To her significant other she finds it more easy to give a gift than to say, “I love you.” If such is requested from her he may appear astonished, feeling that her feelings are already evident.
[Today 06:18 PM] BulletsAndDoves : I have no doubt I supervise him, I really want to watch what I say because I know I could easily really rip him in half and I don't want to be like that
[Today 06:18 PM] BulletsAndDoves : because I know how it feels when ENTjs do it to me
[Today 06:18 PM] Mother Slacker : that doesnt' sound at all like him
[Today 06:19 PM] Mountain Dew : do you guys care if I just make a new thread, posting all of this?
[Today 06:19 PM] Mother Slacker : why do you keep putting stuff up that is nothing like him
[Today 06:19 PM] hkkmr : mountain dews just can't get the feeling of others
[Today 06:19 PM] Absurd : Got reasons. None.
[Today 06:19 PM] Mother Slacker : go for it
[Today 06:19 PM] Mountain Dew : .... BnD saying he will rip me in half... figuratively, right?
[Today 06:19 PM] Traveler : Yeah being supervised sucks MD.
[Today 06:19 PM] hkkmr : I don't really care since I'm not trying to convince anyone
*Director Abbie is more formal.* @ 06:19 PM
[Today 06:19 PM] Analyst Trevor : MDEW is ESE
[Today 06:19 PM] BulletsAndDoves : its a bit deeper than that. He gets feelings okay it's just the Ni polr.
[Today 06:19 PM] Traveler : Yeah you are Abbie, but in an awesome way .
[Today 06:19 PM] Mountain Dew : ok I'll see what other people think
[Today 06:19 PM] hkkmr : not any ESE I've ever met
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : I never met a ESE as socially clueless
[Today 06:20 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr: He's a MALE esfj though
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : haha
[Today 06:20 PM] Aerorobyn : I like Beta for MD
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : I just had dinner with a male esfj
[Today 06:20 PM] Mother Slacker : i bet he's pretty socially astute IRL
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : he's a charming socilite
[Today 06:20 PM] Aerorobyn :
[Today 06:20 PM] Absurd : I thought he is female.
[Today 06:20 PM] Mother Slacker : i bet he has tons of friends and a very active social life
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : so do LSE's
[Today 06:21 PM] BulletsAndDoves : we Ni egos rule the internet writing domain
[Today 06:21 PM] Absurd : And wears a skirt like a real woman.
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : EJ's
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : some people like bumblers
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : yeah but you're saying he's LSE because he isn't "socially astute" nad that real ESEs have active social lives
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : he's outgoing, want socialization doesn't mean he's social
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : and I say I bet he doeso have an active social lie and is socially astute
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : no I never said
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : that
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : and then you say , "so do LSEs"
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : stop it
[Today 06:22 PM] hkkmr : I think he's not socially astute
[Today 06:22 PM] Absurd : Haha.
[Today 06:22 PM] hkkmr : but has a social life
[Today 06:22 PM] Traveler : Beta Aero? You think he is EIE?
[Today 06:22 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr look at him physically not with your mind. Look at him corporeally the way women and gay men do when they see a palm tree in the forest. He vis as an esfj like a mother fucker.
[Today 06:22 PM] BulletsAndDoves : =)
[Today 06:22 PM] BulletsAndDoves : i just think you're seeing the Ni polr. both of the types have that
[Today 06:22 PM] hkkmr : no he doesn't
[Today 06:22 PM] Absurd : I'm not interested in socialisation hkkmr.
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : the problem is he doesn't show Fe
[Today 06:23 PM] Absurd : Whatever that means.
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : none that I can discern
[Today 06:23 PM] BulletsAndDoves : lol hkkmr.
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : yes he does, but you choose to believe it is "fake"
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : that's a judgment that you've made
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : and IMO is not based on reality
[Today 06:23 PM] Traveler : You think he shows hkkmr? I haven't seen much .
[Today 06:23 PM] Aerorobyn : Haha Trav, I don't know.
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : he seems very much like every ESE I know
[Today 06:23 PM] Aerorobyn : Don't pay enough attention to him to say anything.
[Today 06:23 PM] Traveler : Okay Aero.
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : I think he's pedantic
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : which is a te trait
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : he is pendantic but ESEs can be pendantic
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : you need to show me where he shows Fe
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : not always
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : shows insight into other's motivations
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : not all Te types are like that by a long shot
[Today 06:24 PM] cracka : Male ESE's don't exist.
[Today 06:24 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Hkkmr is trolling im 99% sure. =D nice job. You're almost as good as Sarah Silverman
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : naw B&D
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : lol cracka
[Today 06:24 PM] BulletsAndDoves : haha cracka
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : I have never typed him ESE
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : and never will
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : I type cracka ESE
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : he makes assumptions about people's motivations just like you've been doing here
[Today 06:24 PM] Absurd : If male ESEs don't exist, then he is a female ESE and I'm right.
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : everyone does
[Today 06:25 PM] Traveler : hahaha
[Today 06:25 PM] Mother Slacker : and sometiems he's probably right and sometiems he's probably wrong
[Today 06:25 PM] cracka : I'm a female ESE... according to Crazedrat...lol
[Today 06:25 PM] Aerorobyn : lol absurd
[Today 06:25 PM] hkkmr : anyways, I'm not trying to convince anyone
[Today 06:25 PM] Mountain Dew : ... trying to say nothing... but I find it funny my type has been the topic for over the past 15 minutes
[Today 06:25 PM] hkkmr : I just don't think he's ESE
[Today 06:25 PM] hkkmr : end of discussion
[Today 06:26 PM] Absurd : Even better, tremble under Absurd's mighty logics...
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : if you type him ESE fine
[Today 06:26 PM] BulletsAndDoves : NO LET'S ARGUE ABOUT IT FOR FOUR HOURS MORE
[Today 06:26 PM] Mother Slacker : you're the center of attention, MD, and you like that because ESEs like beign the center of attention lol
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : but I deal with plenty of ESE/LSE in my daily life
[Today 06:26 PM] Aerorobyn : Hey MD
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : and he's nothing like ESE's
[Today 06:26 PM] cracka : attention whores
[Today 06:26 PM] Mother Slacker : i do too hkkmr
[Today 06:26 PM] Aerorobyn : Do you like pina coladas, MD?
[Today 06:26 PM] Mountain Dew : I'm definitely extroverted MS
[Today 06:26 PM] Absurd : No, it was pretty interesting, although pointless.
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : he's like LSE's I know
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : not ESE's
[Today 06:26 PM] Traveler : I don't know, every post he does just screams ESE to me hkkmr, but I guess everyone perceives types differently.
[Today 06:26 PM] BulletsAndDoves : socionics has a physicality to it. Don't let it go to your head
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : they're a look-alike type
[Today 06:26 PM] Mother Slacker : i think that is one of the more endearing ESE traits actually
[Today 06:26 PM] Mountain Dew : I do like pina coladas! and getting caught in the rain
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : it's not a bad typing
[Today 06:27 PM] BulletsAndDoves : you can't over think this stuff
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : look-alike types
[Today 06:27 PM] BulletsAndDoves : it's raw and physical.
[Today 06:27 PM] Aerorobyn : Damn.
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : get over it
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : as I said I never wanted to convince anyone
[Today 06:27 PM] BulletsAndDoves : tactile and corporeal
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : but it's not obvious
[Today 06:27 PM] Absurd : Thing that is interesting is I can find people similar to you on here hkkmr.
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : that he's ESE
[Today 06:27 PM] cracka : it's the internet... how could people possible be 100% that someone is or isn't a certain type over the internet...lol
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : and the LSE's I deal with are more like him
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : then the ESE's
[Today 06:27 PM] Absurd : You communicate in same matter as somebody on here.
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : LSE's and ESE can communicate quite similar
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : I communicate a lot like SLE's probably
[Today 06:28 PM] Traveler : hkkmr I think MD could just be sub of ESE, so that's why you get him confused as LSE.
[Today 06:28 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr you're letting it go to your head
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : I'm not
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : it's just a analysis
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : I know a Si type of LSE too
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : very similar
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : very similar
[Today 06:29 PM] Mountain Dew : I like being productive too, of course. My leading functions are Fe and Te. There is no Si.
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : I think Si sub is better
[Today 06:29 PM] Absurd : Well then I think you're identical with this person I have in mind and that doesn't sound terribly fantastic.
[Today 06:29 PM] Director Abbie : I think Mountain Dew is likely ESE.
[Today 06:29 PM] BulletsAndDoves : yeah esfjs love being productive
[Today 06:29 PM] Mother Slacker : well the reason it became an issue is because you used it as an example of "all sorts of bad ideas running around this forum" and talked like we were stupid to see him as ESE at all
[Today 06:29 PM] Mother Slacker : when he seems very obviously ESE to me
[Today 06:29 PM] Director Abbie : He's ethical, not logical.
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : there are
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : like ESE being 2's
[Today 06:30 PM] Absurd : Poor ethicals.
[Today 06:30 PM] Mother Slacker : then you had a bunch of Ashton argumetnts - "I know more ESEs than you do" "You just don't know any real ESEs" "He doesn't look like ESEs I know IRL and I know lots"
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : why do you think that Abbie?
[Today 06:30 PM] Absurd : No offence Slacker.
[Today 06:30 PM] Mother Slacker : which drives me crazy
[Today 06:30 PM] Mother Slacker : the one thing I don't like about ashton because I otherwise do like him
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : I said to you slacker
[Today 06:30 PM] Mountain Dew : I think it was bg who also said they don't see Fe in me, hkkmr
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : I had no itnerest in convincing anyone
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : I was just explaining my opinion
[Today 06:30 PM] Mountain Dew : I'll just post all this in a new thread now, and we can get the rest of the forum's opinion
[Today 06:30 PM] BulletsAndDoves : which is why I just felt like he was good naturedly trolling you, and liking that he drove you crazy
[Today 06:30 PM] Mountain Dew : what's going 2-3 months without an MD type-me thread, anyway? haha
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : and why I don't believe he's ESE
[Today 06:31 PM] Traveler : Most people will just vote ESE though aside from a few people MD.
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : i must be in a moood to argue and bitch at people because the past couple of days i've been doing it constantly
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : and I see i'm doing it again
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : and I feel a need to apologize
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : so I'm sorry for that
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : Like It's almost impossible to prove this sort of things
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : and it's not obvious
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : esp with look-alike types
[Today 06:32 PM] BulletsAndDoves : *hugs slacker*
[Today 06:32 PM] Traveler : There is no spoon.
[Today 06:32 PM] hkkmr : also ESE is a obstinant type
[Today 06:32 PM] thePirate : yaow
[Today 06:32 PM] thePirate : I need help with my e-stacking
[Today 06:32 PM] hkkmr : vs LSE
[Today 06:32 PM] Traveler : I'll help you pirate.
[Today 06:32 PM] hkkmr : my ESE best friend still types LIE
[Today 06:33 PM] thePirate : someone help the helpless INFP
[Today 06:33 PM] BulletsAndDoves : sp/sx. =p
[Today 06:33 PM] hkkmr : or ENTJ in mbti
[Today 06:33 PM] thePirate : okay thanks trav
[Today 06:33 PM] Mountain Dew : yes, it's been a debate before, and the internet has its problems. But I want to see what other think currently, cause you're not the only one who doubts ESE
[Today 06:33 PM] hkkmr : I don't think I could ever convince him of a different typing
[Today 06:33 PM] BulletsAndDoves : You are not helpless, victim
[Today 06:33 PM] Director Abbie : He takes things personally more often than is logical, he's kinda bouncy.
[Today 06:33 PM] thePirate : to help narrow it down, I think 4w5 sx is a safe bet
[Today 06:33 PM] Analyst Trevor : Mountain ESEw

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[Today 06:36 PM] Traveler : You seem less interested in what people as a whole think of you to be so second I think.
[Today 06:36 PM] CONFIMED : MD is so very Helpy McHelperson for an LSE. Like, the LSEs I know might believe they are helping, but ime it's more of a distant, decision-making-based "this is for your own good" thing. Not a lot of direct intervention in your affairs.
[Today 06:36 PM] MisterNi : it's the Ni-polr.
[Today 06:36 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Helpy McHelperson ghasdlkja
[Today 06:36 PM] hkkmr : I'm not really trying to argue
[Today 06:36 PM] hkkmr : which is why I said
[Today 06:36 PM] thePirate : yeah but this is internet world trav
[Today 06:36 PM] BulletsAndDoves : yeah confimed. they are businessy and real world ish
[Today 06:36 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Not heart-based
*Director Abbie barely exists.* @ 06:36 PM
[Today 06:36 PM] hkkmr : I wasn't trying to convince anyone
[Today 06:36 PM] MisterNi : Helpy McHelperson hahaha
[Today 06:37 PM] CONFIMED : I just feel like LSEs control things indirectly.
[Today 06:37 PM] hkkmr : what do you do for a living anyways mountain dew
[Today 06:37 PM] Traveler : yeah that's true pirate, I think it still manifests somewhat online, though not as much.
[Today 06:37 PM] CONFIMED : And MD is poking his fingers right into people's lives.
[Today 06:37 PM] BulletsAndDoves : oh I thought you were just trolling people incredibly well. I guess not. =)
[Today 06:37 PM] BulletsAndDoves : cuz I've seen that same trolling tactic used against here all the time and its usually effective
[Today 06:37 PM] MisterNi : MD seems pretty ESE to me though
[Today 06:37 PM] hkkmr : no
[Today 06:37 PM] Traveler : also brooding conflicted individual, sx/sp, seems to kind of fit you.
[Today 06:37 PM] thePirate : trav I was actually tentatively thinking sx/sp
[Today 06:37 PM] hkkmr : he doesn't seem that way to me
[Today 06:37 PM] Director Abbie : But EIIs are common online and LIIs are really common online, so it gives opportunity to be surrounded by duals, which is like being the only female in a group of gamers.
[Today 06:37 PM] MisterNi : but I'm just saying that normally, ESE don't sit in front of a computer and chat all day
[Today 06:38 PM] CONFIMED : I don't think your alternate typing for him is all that off, though, hkkmr.
[Today 06:38 PM] Mountain Dew : I do sales. I gotta go now, get more work done actually. Talk to you guys later!
[Today 06:38 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Yeah confimed
[Today 06:38 PM] CONFIMED : Rational and Ni-polr is close.
[Today 06:38 PM] thePirate : yeah right, thats kind of my dilemma I am conflicted in that way
[Today 06:38 PM] thePirate : the sx/sp energy fits me best
[Today 06:38 PM] hkkmr : I think XSE is a good typing
[Today 06:38 PM] Traveler : SEE and ESE are kind of rare online.
[Today 06:38 PM] MisterNi : online chatting is way too impersonal and not enough Si interaction to be satisfying for ExE, IMHO.
[Today 06:38 PM] hkkmr : but I think ESE doesn't fit based on my personal experience
[Today 06:38 PM] thePirate : but logically speaking, I dont know how to justify an sx/sp stack
[Today 06:38 PM] cracka : It was before most of the people here came along, but I got a bit of the same arguments about telling others what they should and shouldn't do... so much so that I just don't say anything anymroe...lol
[Today 06:38 PM] Traveler : Later MD
[Today 06:38 PM] BulletsAndDoves : well let me try to get close to mountain dew. see if I conflict with him or if I supervise him. supervise him seems more prevalent

[Roro]

Please don't go Delta. I love Delta.

[Slacker]

Everybody see how I get when I'm in a bitchy mood!

I think it's obvious what I think. LOL

[thePirate]

did you really have to post the whole chat

[Creepy-Snaps]

Didn't post everything. Missed the part where some said Krig thinks I'm IEE, and more discussion after that 2nd bit.

... But yes, maybe that's too detail-oriented, I dunno.

[Krig the Viking]

Didn't post everything. Missed the part where some said Krig thinks I'm IEE, and more discussion after that 2nd bit.

... But yes, maybe that's too detail-oriented, I dunno.

I still think IEE fits better than anything else thus far proposed. But since I don't know you that well, that's not really a "definite" opinion, just a work-in-progress guess based on the limited data I have available so far.

I really can't see LSE, though.

[Trevor]

E S E

CONFIMED & CORROBOATED

[Trevor]

ESE. Supervision by the IEI's is obvious. He seems oblivious to Ni, as Jenna pointed out in Allies thread. Inability to read between the lines.

fffuuu

y u edit your post after me clicking the like button. i take my liking back. eww-yuck

[Saberstorm]

He is ESE. My best friend is an ESE. They have the same communication focus/style.

[Trevor]

Read it again, bitch. lol, I edited it some more.

k, i like this second edit more

[glam]

i think what people are getting put off by is Dew's lack of Fe-awareness. what people are trying to attribute to Dew's Ni-polr (lack of social insight, not correctly reading people's motivations, etc.) is actually just weak Fe. you see a bunch of "Fe" from Dew because he's trying really hard to use his Role function. but then all of the sudden he'll post something brusque, humorless, and out-of-place in the midst of a conversation, which annoys many people (especially Fe-valuers). someone with strong Fe would know better. Dew on the other hand comes across like he doesn't realize how/why he managed to irritate people.

oh and, in another thread Dew tried to characterize an ESE's Fe + Si as "teaching people helpful skills" ... that just reeks of Delta (and is not Fe!)

[Slacker]

He doesn't strike me as someone who is trying to teach practical skills. More like to be a leader, like the way Bill Clinton is. He doesn't strike me as a Democrat so he might not like the comparison,but I am a Democrat so I hope he knows I don't mean it that way, but that's the celebrity he most reminds me of.

[squark]

Who's going to read all that?

[silke]

i think what people are getting put off by is Dew's lack of Fe-awareness. what people are trying to attribute to Dew's Ni-polr (lack of social insight, not correctly reading people's motivations, etc.) is actually just weak Fe. you see a bunch of "Fe" from Dew because he's trying really hard to use his Role function. but then all of the sudden he'll post something brusque, humorless, and out-of-place in the midst of a conversation, which annoys many people (especially Fe-valuers). someone with strong Fe would know better. Dew on the other hand comes across like he doesn't realize how/why he managed to irritate people.

imo if somebody is saying/doing something obnoxious or stupid it is a function of their IQ/EQ/social skills rather than their socionics type

[glam]

imo if somebody is saying/doing something obnoxious or stupid it is a function of their IQ/EQ/social skills rather than their socionics type

i think if people focus too much on their Superego functions (Role and PoLR) they may easily come across as obnoxious, because it's generally not an area people can deal with consistently and "naturally". those functions aren't strong and people are prone to doubt themselves, and might go overboard because they don't want to feel as if they've failed in it. actually because of this, i kind of feel bad arguing that Dew's Fe is supposedly weak, because if he is actually an LSE, i'm criticizing a sensitive area for his type.

i've heard before that as people get mature, get older, and gain more life experience, they learn to deal with their Superego functions with more confidence and better avoid such criticism (though the Superego will never be as strong an area as the Ego.)

[munenori2]

Mountain Dew is tearing us all apart!

Seriously though, I think ESxj are the only two types that make sense for him, and I can kind of agree with what glam said in a previous post. On the other hand, I also like what starfall said about seeing where he's basically coming from but disagreeing with how he tries to go about it.

My personal impression of him has always been as a generally nice guy that actively tries to improve the lives of those close to him (maybe that's what EJ caregivers do), but he just has such a bad read on people that when people have some sort of more emotional or personal issue, he's still treating it like the more practical matters he seems to relish giving advice about (how to improve the quality of your life, get a better job, do stuff on things). He treats those emotional issues like nails and starts hammering away without hardly any nuance at all imo.

[EyeSeeCold]

Extraverted Sensor.



Extraverted logic is also called Processual or Practical Logic.
It estimates everything in terms of efficiency: not abstract analysis, but "how to make it work?", and not systems, but methods. They are energetic, active, and mobile. As scientists, they are strong in improvement of methods, but often they choose a business career. However, people who work together with them, often blame these types of being "too dry, cold-hearted", even in spite of their high emotionality. In general, this type of thinking may be called “algorithmic”.

Extraverted ethic is also called Emotional Ethic.
This function reflects person's own emotions, his/her emotional, highly personal and passionate reaction to what is going on around. Types with this dominant functions are eloquent, often smiling, artistic, charming (but somewhat “fussy” and “too artistic”), can speak and persuade others, but they perceive situations too emotionally, too personally, and sometimes they “sink” in their own emotions, cannot calm down for long time.

Secondary introverted sensing (the types Administrator and Bonvivant, XXX-sensory extraverts)
They may be misperceived for the quasi-identical types (Commander and Politician with the dominant extraverted sensing) for their energy, drive; men of these types often look like “machos”. However, these men more look aggressive than they really are; and women of this type are especially caring for the comfort and well-being of their families. They are ardent fighters for quality; when something is made too quickly, they begin to look for defects and usually find them. They are always in hurry, always feel "lack of time” and feel offended when other people criticize their tempo.

Extraverted sensing is also called Volitional Sensing, or Space-capturing Sensing.
This sensing function directs to occupation of space. People with this strong function are usually demanding people, which like when other people fulfill their wishes and demands. Sometimes they become managers, and sometimes – good sellers that can sell even unnecessary things. They often (but not always) have athletic, somewhat roundish figure, quick and demanding eyes. They are very persistent in the life: "If I want, then it should be achieved”, and they often gladly help other people – those who accept their leadership. Their outbursts of anger may fear some people, but in fact they are short-term – in several minutes they become calm again and restore their good mood.


http://www.socioniko.net/en/articles/lytovs-intro3.html

[Absurd]

did you really have to post the whole chat

[Today 06:11 PM] Absurd : Damn, I'm sooo smart I can't handle it.

Good thing he did, I wouldn't take him seriously otherwise.

Good ESE, good.

[Beautiful sky]

Extraverted Sensor.



Extraverted logic even in spite of their high emotionality.

people always miss this aspect of lse

[Creepy-Snaps]

Thank you everyone for the responses. For the record, I'd say I'm between 85%-90% confident I'm ESE, seems to fit extremely well, and was confident with ESE when I posted this thread. Tbh, I do admit I like attention, and sometimes it's just fun to start a type-me thread here and there. Especially when people are talking about me in chat for an hour , if I'm that fascinating to you all haha.

There is some wiggle-room, and I find the typings of LSE, IEE, and SLI fascinating. In fact, EII is the only Delta type that HASN'T been mentioned. Although I 'look' a bit 'like' I'm LSE and want to teach people practical skills, I do think I'm better at teaching practical advice. And getting under people's skins, too.

He doesn't strike me as someone who is trying to teach practical skills. More like to be a leader, like the way Bill Clinton is. He doesn't strike me as a Democrat so he might not like the comparison,but I am a Democrat so I hope he knows I don't mean it that way, but that's the celebrity he most reminds me of.

I'm not big into politics right now anymore, really. As a business owner, I just focus on winning the game, succeeding no matter what the rules are, not necessarily focused on changing the rules. Bill Clinton is a fantastic, positive, caring leader, and I appreciate the comparison.

Dew on the other hand comes across like he doesn't realize how/why he managed to irritate people.

It's not that I don't realize when I'm going to irritate someone, it's just that I don't care. Lol. If I think something will help someone, I'll tell them, and I don't care if it ruins my relationship with them or w/e. I can see how you'd think that would be typical of a 'logic' temperament, but I like to call it Fi ignoring. But yeah, I've never, ever, in my life, really been someone who talks behind someone's back, or hides what I truly think or feel. I don't enjoy upsetting people, and will let things slide if they're not important. But certain values, I will stand up for and defend very actively.

My personal impression of him has always been as a generally nice guy that actively tries to improve the lives of those close to him (maybe that's what EJ caregivers do), but he just has such a bad read on people that when people have some sort of more emotional or personal issue, he's still treating it like the more practical matters he seems to relish giving advice about (how to improve the quality of your life, get a better job, do stuff on things). He treats those emotional issues like nails and starts hammering away without hardly any nuance at all imo.

One of my favorite quotes is "If you fail to deal with reality, reality will deal with you." Let's face it: everyone has emotional things they're going through. People need to get over themselves. Again, I'm sure that's going to bother some people, but at some point you must hear it. If you're not actively trying to improve someone else's life, what are you on this earth for?

Now, I certainly don't mean to come across as insensitive. I've had many issues in my past that I've had to overcome. I generally try to stay positive, but I'll be real with all of you for a second. I've had my parents divorce when I was 10, been into crazy legal battle from that, been abused by my dad, had to fight depression in college, and have been kicked out of my home twice.

Despite all of those challenges in my life, that I mentioned, I still fight and overcome. I believe a positive attitude can take you wherever you want in life. I believe it doesn't matter where you come from, only matters where you're going. Don't let your past dictate who you are, but let it be a part of who you become.

I know I've been told I could be a motivational speaker before , I don't want to rant too much in one forum post, but I realize I can come across as intense to some people, who I think don't know how to fight in life. Some people, munenori2, that you would say have 'emotional issues', I see their 'problems' as nothing. I'm not going to tiptoe around someone's feelings, when they can just do something about the problem and feel better.

This post is getting too long, I apologize. Call me an insensitive, emotional logical type, or a firm, advice-giving ethical type, whatever you want. I know what I am.

P.S. Emotional rant aside, I also find it uncanny how I relate with cracka, the only other ESE male on here, so well. I don't know what the stereotype of ESEs is... well I do, it's that they're supposed to be nice all the time. But in terms of Fe ethics, I believe strongly in the value of honesty. And that is something that I do not intend to compromise under any circumstances. If sometimes the practical truth or reality is too tough to hear, too bad. I'm not going to change my values because someone is too weak to accept reality.

[Creepy-Snaps]

It's not that I don't realize when I'm going to irritate someone, it's just that I don't care. Lol. If I think something will help someone, I'll tell them, and I don't care if it ruins my relationship with them or w/e.

Mmm I contradicted myself, wouldn't necessarily say that's the case. I won't compromise my value of honesty, if someone asks me something, but I do watch what I say around friends IRL, and don't want to offend anyone, unless there is a value in question which needs to be upheld.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

[willekeurig]

I have no reason to believe MD is anything else but ESE, but I guess I've kind of accepted ESE for him just because that's what he types himself. Seems reasonable engough for me. Why would you think LSE?

[cracka]

IME there are at least two different types of ESE, which probably correspond to different enneatypes or subtypes or something, or simply different levels of EQ like siuntal mentioned.
...
There's also the type that tends to hold off a bit on interfering with others' personal lives, although they're ok with voicing their disapproval behind other people's backs . They're a bit more "caretakery", and are more adept at taking a step back and seeing other people's needs. One of my best friends is this type of ESE, as well as a less close friend. My friend has described her attitude to advice-giving as, "If you're not going to follow my advice, don't ask for it". I think she has a better sense of who is/isn't going to be receptive to advice.

I've become more of this type of the two you seem to be talking about...

[Krig the Viking]

IME there are at least two different types of ESE, which probably correspond to different enneatypes or subtypes or something, or simply different levels of EQ like siuntal mentioned.

The Dominant subtype of ESE pretty clearly correlates with your first example, and the Harmonizing with the second. Not entirely sure where Creative and Normalizing would fit -- my first instinct was that it would be split between the Rational subtypes (the Meddlers) and the Irrational subtypes (the Caretakers), but I could also see a case for Extraverted subtypes (the Meddlers) vs. Introverted subtypes (the Caretakers). More study is needed. But the Dominant and Harmonizing division seems pretty clear here.

[mu4]

IME there are at least two different types of ESE, which probably correspond to different enneatypes or subtypes or something, or simply different levels of EQ like siuntal mentioned.

There's the type that loves meddling, and giving unsolicited advice, even when others might think they're not qualified to give such advice, and don't understand why people dislike them when they're only trying to help. My mother is one of these. She loves giving others advice on everything - raising children for example, as if me and my sister are great examples of how to bring up children, when in reality we've spent a lot of our adulthood undoing whatever damage she's caused. She describes her advice-giving as "slipping money into other people's pockets", and doesn't understand how any advice can hurt (I described it as "sometimes accidentally slipping a grenade into other people's pockets" but she just got offended by that). I supervise her like crazy. Another guy I know is also like this... no one takes his advice seriously though. They don't seem to realise that what works for them might not work for someone else.

There's also the type that tends to hold off a bit on interfering with others' personal lives, although they're ok with voicing their disapproval behind other people's backs . They're a bit more "caretakery", and are more adept at taking a step back and seeing other people's needs. One of my best friends is this type of ESE, as well as a less close friend. My friend has described her attitude to advice-giving as, "If you're not going to follow my advice, don't ask for it". I think she has a better sense of who is/isn't going to be receptive to advice.

Re EXEs and empathy/not irritating others - I think ESEs are kind of "slaves" to their Fe base function - they might know that saying or doing something might not be received well, but sometimes they have to do it anyway to get it out of their systems. In that sense, EXEs are sometimes surprisingly polarising, whereas XEIs tend to be inoffensive.

My EIE mom is more like your mom, she tries to offer Si/comfort/etc but she's actually quite poor at this. In her old age, she's become a very good artist in a very short period of time and is much happier then she has been for a long time. Which I think is due to her relinquishing any sort of Si responsibilities she felt she had to fulfill in life. Consequently a lot less meddling.

I have a LSE friend who is a matchmaker of her friends and people around her, it's quite funny as she tries very hard imo to fulfill her Fi DS and help others get Fi. She's also very funny emotional but tends to annoy some of my friends a lot. Out of all the people I know Mountain Dew vi's similar as well as behaves similar.

Mountain Dew doesn't really make me think he's Fe valuing, both of the EXE's are obstinate types and LXE are yielding types. All EJ's can be somewhat volatile and but I think Mountain Dew is pretty mild althrough he can be intrusive and annoying, he's still a yielding type. He lacks the stubbornness with his ideas and focus on practical truth/reality.

My ESE friend is totally different from this and different from the way Mountain Dew verbalizes his thoughts.

P.S. Emotional rant aside, I also find it uncanny how I relate with cracka, the only other ESE male on here, so well. I don't know what the stereotype of ESEs is... well I do, it's that they're supposed to be nice all the time. But in terms of Fe ethics, I believe strongly in the value of honesty. And that is something that I do not intend to compromise under any circumstances. If sometimes the practical truth or reality is too tough to hear, too bad. I'm not going to change my values because someone is too weak to accept reality.

These are obstinate types full of stubborn ideals just like EIE but take a different approach to it's expression. There are very little practical and real advice I get from my ESE vs LSE friend, more codes of conduct, standards of etiquette and behavior and how to treat people.

He could care less about honesty(he's only honest to his friends and even then only half the time), or any of that practical truth, it's more about loyalty, not throwing your friends under the bus, and not being a douchebag to other people. He only sometimes talk about being honest with yourself, lying is ok, just don't lie to yourself. He takes a live and let live attitude with others and only intrudes when he thinks they've made a ethical faux pas which can be quite often.

During conversation ESFjs pay close attention to the ethics and good behaviour of others. They like to give ethical evaluations and analyses on who behaved well and who did not. They also watch that the norms of politeness are obeyed. ESFjs react negatively to people who do not obey ethical norms. This is why others can sometimes consider them to be confrontational and difficult to live with. Many people believe ESFjs could be very demanding and tactless.

This is just just my observation either.

Anyways, it's going to be difficult to convince people of MD's typing, however XSE's are look-alike types. It's pretty easy to get these confused imo, esp in someone who is likely a Si-subtype vs a Xe-subtype.

I have a few examples of verbalization here that leads to me thinking MD is Te then Fe, and that's the focus on reality vs principles. My ESE friend actually talks very similar to MD, in a few places almost verbatim, but instead of a focus on reality, it's a focus on ethical principles and ideals.

[Cat King Cole]

i think what people are getting put off by is Dew's lack of Fe-awareness. what people are trying to attribute to Dew's Ni-polr (lack of social insight, not correctly reading people's motivations, etc.) is actually just weak Fe. you see a bunch of "Fe" from Dew because he's trying really hard to use his Role function. but then all of the sudden he'll post something brusque, humorless, and out-of-place in the midst of a conversation, which annoys many people (especially Fe-valuers). someone with strong Fe would know better. Dew on the other hand comes across like he doesn't realize how/why he managed to irritate people.

oh and, in another thread Dew tried to characterize an ESE's Fe + Si as "teaching people helpful skills" ... that just reeks of Delta (and is not Fe!)

He doesn't strike me as someone who is trying to teach practical skills. More like to be a leader, like the way Bill Clinton is. He doesn't strike me as a Democrat so he might not like the comparison,but I am a Democrat so I hope he knows I don't mean it that way, but that's the celebrity he most reminds me of.

Golden mean: he's playacting a type, consciously or not, and it's alienating everyone because his persona is seriously put on.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Golden mean: he's playacting a type, consciously or not, and it's alienating everyone because his persona is seriously put on.

So I'm LSE when I'm real, and I'm ESE when I'm pretending... got it.

Hypothetically... not to bash my 'pretend' type, but... if ESEs are notorious for acting one way to some people, and another way to other people... wouldn't I be guilty of being ESE? Or would that be illogical to say that you can't pretend to pretend.

OMG stereotypes... I'm going to go bake some ESE cookies now.

^ Was this post sarcastically real? Or am I just playing again?

[Park]

MD has always given me the impression of a principled, well-meaning Si creative, and that hasn't changed. Leaning towards ESE lately. Just a bit too exuberant and imposing for LSE.

[Creepy-Snaps]

MD has always given me the impression of a principled, well-meaning Si creative, and that hasn't changed. Leaning towards ESE lately. Just a bit too exuberant and imposing for LSE.

Thanks Parkster.

To everyone: I'm going to be LSE now, k? K. Thx.

[Minde]

Based on my relatively casual observations, you seem more ESFj; but that doesn't mean you can't be intelligent and logical and honest and "hard hitting," even brusque, when necessary.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Based on my relatively casual observations, you seem more ESFj; but that doesn't mean you can't be intelligent and logical and honest and "hard hitting," even brusque, when necessary.

Grr, I'm a burly LSE. Yeah I'm pretending to be LSE so I can feel more self-confident about my authoritative manliness.

^^ Look hkkmr, more fake Fe.



But thank you, Minde.

[Gilly]

I've considered it before. I haven't entirely ruled it out.

[Pa3s]

To everyone: I'm going to be LSE now, k? K. Thx.

You can't force people to see you the way you want to be seen. This doesn't work in life and this won't work in socionics, either. And since it's so difficult to know if you're fake or your actual self, most forum members won't change their opinion on you, whatever they think your type is. To me, this is still ESE and that's why it's not "k" for me to change it just because you decided that you want to have a different image.

[Absurd]

Grr, I'm a burly LSE. Yeah I'm pretending to be LSE so I can feel more self-confident about my authoritative manliness.

^^ Look hkkmr, more fake Fe.

[RSV3]

What happened to SLE?

[Absurd]

What happened to SLE?

You mean what happened to SLE, ESE, LSI and LSE?

Dog ate it.

[Creepy-Snaps]

(I posted this on the other thread too):

Why did you change again? Did the Alphas kick you out of their quadra?

Hey MD. I understand you seem greatly annoyed at the changing. I'm still considering ESE as a possibility, you may still be right for my typing after all. And no, the Alphas have been extremely nice, and have never counted me out. I changed again because I think there's a definite possibility I may be LSE, and that when I joke around and get really expressive, I come across Fe-ish. But in truth, as motivated as I am to help people, I do unintentionally offend others ethically. While as ESE I viewed that as Fi ignoring, or being bold in my values, I'm considering it to just be a potentially weak Fe. I hope that makes sense to you.

You can't force people to see you the way you want to be seen. This doesn't work in life and this won't work in socionics, either. And since it's so difficult to know if you're fake or your actual self, most forum members won't change their opinion on you, whatever they think your type is. To me, this is still ESE and that's why it's not "k" for me to change it just because you decided that you want to have a different image.

I posted the "To everyone: I'm going to be LSE now, k? K. Thx." on the other thread as a joke... of course I knew switching types again would cause lots of controversy. And that it wouldn't be as simple as 'ok'. I'm not asking you to accept my choice: I didn't change types to 'force people to see me the way I want to be seen' as so many people suspect, but I changed because it's an honest reflection of my current self-typing.. leaning more towards LSE now than ESE. But of course, you're still entitled to believe what you want.

[Creepy-Snaps]

What happened to SLE?

You mean what happened to SLE, ESE, LSI and LSE?

Dog ate it.

Beta just felt weird. With the quadra values and all. That's why the LSI typing didn't last long... I kept ping-ponging between Alpha ethical and Beta logical, because I was confident that I was Fe/Ti valuing... SLE fit there, made sense, as an extroverted, ST, Fe/Ti valuer, I thought SLE made great sense... that's why it lasted so long, and eventually over 70% of the forum agreed with that typing... but like I said, long-term Beta just felt weird... wasn't sure if I could stay there. Lots of respect for Betas, but they just seemed too wild, angry/passionate in their fights, out of place... that's when I switched to ESE, because I thought I was judging their behavior. When really, maybe it was opposing quadra values? And just conflicted with laid-back Delta.

I recently started the thread about Se/Ni and Ne/Si... and others commented... and my views are refined there a bit, and for the most part, I feel very confident I understand those EXTREMELY well... at this point, after studying socionics for over a year, I'd very confidently say I'm Ne/Si valuing. However, my knowledge of Fe/Ti and Te/Fi is not as strong. Where before, when I thought my energetic, joking, random nature could have been Fe... perhaps I was just a wild LSE. Absurd is obviously the most well-known LSE here... I can't help but see similarities between me and you often: strong memory for other people's self-typings, enjoying random pictures in threads, (I like the one with the dog, that's just lolz), etc... different upbringings, certainly we are not the same... but I have been similar to other LSEs in the past also.

Does that answer your question a bit better, why not SLE? TLDR: I'm definitely Ne/Si valuing, and most likely Si creative, Ni POLR.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

General line of advice: it's not a good idea to have your supposed type in your username. What are you going to do if (or perhaps when, in this case) you decide a different typing fits you better?