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    I wonder how much of it is really there and how much of it is projection?

    Triggered by the top comment on this video...



    this song brings back memories, when i was 9 i lost my dad to a gun, 17 mom to cancer, 21 sister to a car wreck but ive never lost my faith you can overcome anything with god just never lose hope
    ...this person will always remember this song, always listen to it and maybe cry. Perhaps consider it the pinnacle of emotional depth.

    Yet it does nothing for me. There are certain other songs that I dislike immensely but people attach value to them for some reason or another. I wonder how much of it, the value, is there, or whether all value is inherently subjective.

    Esp. in regards to art and music. Did the artist of this song intend to have this effect on this person? Probably not. Any or all relation is incidental. By this reasoning, any and all relation to any artwork is coincidental - sometimes our brain can mirror the emotional effect as the artist is intending to transmit, because we might have experienced it before. But other times, our brain mirrors something else, something that's not there in the artwork itself but rather as a misunderstanding, we interpret a facet that we want to see, yet it still affects us just as deeply. It becomes entirely personal, subjective, and still holds the same value.

    Hm. I should really stop procrastinating and study for my finals.

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    All I see is a man whining about death, who doesn't understand death.
    if the song is divine, it will have a divine impact. If it's not, it will be ignored by the listener to some degree. Hence all the shitty music filling our radios which no one seriously listens to, and me never listening to this song before now. There is no problem.
    Here is a real song
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    Your idea goes for everything in life; living is an art.

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    Dying is an art too, why don't you put a gun to your head and think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratPULSE View Post
    Dying is an art too, why don't you put a gun to your head and think about it.
    Se art beta artistic aesthetic art:


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    essentiallY good art, good writing, or good anYthing is a piece of work that people can easilY project their own meanings onto. and bY 'good' i mean popular.

    personallY when i paint or write i have mY own meanings in the work, but when other people view them they maY relate to them but think they're about something completelY different. i'm okaY with that.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Ok yeah but the one thing consistent is not settling on what the thing actually is, constantly reinterpreting it.

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    Art is basically the search for a universal form of communication. The words are already inside, and they make sense; they just get jumbled when they run into airwaves and other people.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Really art is the attempt to transcend the symbolic using the imaginary and communicate directly with the real's representation of the objet petit a. Hence why art is steadily becoming less aesthetic and more jaded in expression.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    You should all read Jacques Lacan.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Trendy univeristy Se art artistic aesthetic artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You should all read Jacques Lacan.
    In his mother tongue, though. Otherwise it's not hipster enough.
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    Fuck hipsters.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Songs, sound music insights feelings in many people, even my boyfriend, who says he lacks empathy for people and me, even though I have mush empathy for people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    dude that's not even the worst of it. art school is a joke. it's a mix of extremelY talented kids, children of the ridiculouslY rich who don't want to do actual work, and basicallY everyone is self absorbed. loved it and hated it. it's easY to be an artist if You've got money and social networking skills
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    true artists and writers don't need to go to school; they need to do their art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    dude that's not even the worst of it. art school is a joke. it's a mix of extremelY talented kids, children of the ridiculouslY rich who don't want to do actual work, and basicallY everyone is self absorbed. loved it and hated it. it's easY to be an artist if You've got money and social networking skills
    I have a good friend who graduated from SCAD who said pretty much the exact same thing. She said you'd have all these rich kids with no talent, who pretty much drew nothing but crap & they would sometimes pay the other talented students to do their work.

    You're very gifted, Allie. I don't think you'd need a degree to be successful.
    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    but highlY 'educated' and 'cultured' rich kids who can bullshit anYthing. its reallY popular to use Your sexualitY at mY school. i knew a gaY guy who'd find men on craigslist to hook up with and photograph them having sex with each other. that was his art. not porn.

    a girl who graduated from mY school like 5 Yrs ago brings home men who hit on her in parking lots and stuff and takes videos of her basicallY ridiculing them and demeaning them, making them do embarrassing shit like singing and dancing, showing how desperate men are for her. her name is laurel nakadate







    as much as i hate 'artists' like her, she's the one doing performances with fucking james franco right now lol

    its just depressing.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Yeah its verY difficult to explain whY You like aestheticallY like something. its something we had to practice all the time thru critiques and papers and constant discussion. You learn though, its not like impossible bY anY means.

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    she's disgusting looking
    no... she's prettY attractive.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    I guess I notice, broadly, 3 kinds of art.

    1. Art I can look at and just totally get. By that I mean I can look at it and just understand what it's all about. There's nothing left to discover it in. It's there, and I just know what's up with it. I move on.

    2. Art that's just totally incomprehensible. It fails to communicate to me. Maybe someday later, if I come back to it, I'll see something. But, for now there's nothing.

    Finally there's what I think of as good art. Something I can examine, look at, listen to and there feels like there's something more to it. A mystery even. It's communicating something to me that's can't be quite comprehended. I'm not exactly sure what this is, but I suspect the artists for these artworks have dug deep and reached this sort of depth that can now be shared through their art. Not all art like this will move me. But, this is the only kind that can.

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    She looks boring. Built well but not especially attractive.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    love how You guys just wanna talk about how attractive she isn't instead of making at least one comment on the art
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    She looks psychotic. So does her "art".




    booyah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    love how You guys just wanna talk about how attractive she isn't instead of making at least one comment on the art
    Oh jeez, I didn't realize that was art. o_O Huh... clearly I have a lot left to experience about art.

    Hmm... it's more obvious to me how the last 4 photos could be art. She did something to them so that it looks like there are fingerprint smudges on them. Also she's in very deliberate poses in them. But... is it art? Hmm... I need to think on this some more. My current understanding of what art is didn't immediately peg those as art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Didn't see any art. Just her and a couple creepy potbellied dudes, followed by some poses that look like something out a trailer park.
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    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    i think it's considered perfomance art and perhaps photographY. i remember an exhibition of hers where she took a photograph of herself crYing everY daY for a whole Year.


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    what heinous garbage. If this is really the excuse for art that gets people recognized, I think I'm done here.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    what heinous garbage. If this is really the excuse for art that gets people recognized, I think I'm done here.
    and this is why i'm an art school drop-out. dealing with this shit every single day just gets depressing.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    and this is why i'm an art school drop-out. dealing with this shit every single day just gets depressing.
    Yeah I can imagine. Good for you and welcome to the club.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Her idea has no direction, it's only a blank observation of the current times. She cannot fully see what's in front of her. In a couple years her career will be nowhere because her pictures are pathetic and she has no real talent. Maybe if she's lucky she can be an immitation of kesha for the few teenies holding on to the kesha dream. I don't think she's special enough for that, though. School is no longer relevant since the new dominance of the internet. The internet is where the future is, she has none. Soon bands will be giving away their music exclusively online and making money from live concerts if they're good enough. That's how it should be anyway
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    Bad art; makes you feel nothing
    Good art; makes you feel something you've felt before
    Great art; makes you feel something you've never felt before

    This is an example of "great art", in my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    but highlY 'educated' and 'cultured' rich kids who can bullshit anYthing. its reallY popular to use Your sexualitY at mY school. i knew a gaY guy who'd find men on craigslist to hook up with and photograph them having sex with each other. that was his art. not porn.

    a girl who graduated from mY school like 5 Yrs ago brings home men who hit on her in parking lots and stuff and takes videos of her basicallY ridiculing them and demeaning them, making them do embarrassing shit like singing and dancing, showing how desperate men are for her. her name is laurel nakadate







    as much as i hate 'artists' like her, she's the one doing performances with fucking james franco right now lol

    its just depressing.
    ....I find it all somehow ironic; the dirty old men trying to hit on her, her being no better than the men shes demeaning behind their back, the dirt, the fingerprint smudges on the picture. Whatever shes trying to convey, the only emotion I can feel is one of disgust, so shes doing a good job of that. Im no expert, but its art alright...amateur, but art nonetheless, depending on how you take it. The only thing I can stand to look at is her body...even though thats not even that great...As for the context of the pictures, I find it dirty and perverse, I don't like it.

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    yeah she needs an abusive alcoholic boyfriend to get her pregnant accidentally

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    Truth is Anything can be considered art or be interpreted as such. I love the kind of artist that makes a contrast between appearances & underlying reality; good art teaches me something or provokes deeper thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Didn't see any art. Just her and a couple creepy potbellied dudes, followed by some poses that look like something out a trailer park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walker31 View Post
    Truth is Anything can be considered art or be interpreted as such. I love the kind of artist that makes a contrast between appearances & underlying reality; good art teaches me something or provokes deeper thought.
    Well you could interpret the scrawls of a chickens talons as language but I wouldn't make a book out of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by walker31 View Post
    Truth is Anything can be considered art or be interpreted as such. I love the kind of artist that makes a contrast between appearances & underlying reality; good art teaches me something or provokes deeper thought.
    I freaking hate this attitude, at least if it's the one I fear you're expressing. I do think anything can be art, but I hate people who say "well, if they say it's art, it's art." Everything CAN be art; that doesn't mean it is. For a contrasting example, listen to the above Fiona Apple song, then go look at an Andy Warhol painting. Personally, the only emotion I feel when I see an Andy Warhol painting is despair, and it has nothing to do with what the painting looks like.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I freaking hate this attitude, at least if it's the one I fear you're expressing. I do think anything can be art, but I hate people who say "well, if they say it's art, it's art." Everything CAN be art; that doesn't mean it is. For a contrasting example, listen to the above Fiona Apple song, then go look at an Andy Warhol painting. Personally, the only emotion I feel when I see an Andy Warhol painting is despair, and it has nothing to do with what the painting looks like.
    I don't think I expressed that attitude at all. I meant that no one can really judge what is art and whats not, someone else always thinks it's meaningless. Everything CAN be art; but this is what I consider art... (whatever that is)

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    It just frustrates me beyond all belief that people consider things like Allie's schoolmate's bullshit, or Andy Warhol's mockery, as real art. Like, how do you look at a can of tomato soup and feel anything about it? Who gives a fuck? I know it's supposed to be social commentary, and it's shitty, stupid, pathetic social commentary that doesn't do anyone one whit of good. It's boring and pathetic, a horrible excuse for creativity, and should never be placed in the same category as truly beautiful work that evokes true emotion and passion.

    I know there are some forms of art that I simply can't relate to or understand, like Georgia O'Keefe, because I lack the proper perspective, but I can at least respect her because what she does is beautiful and I know it is very inspiring to some people on a level that I can at least comprehend. I could never respect Andy Warhol, because I don't see from any angle how anyone could receive or draw inspiration or emotion or anything REAL from what he does.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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