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    Default SLE Identical Relations: Two ESTps walked into a bar

    So what happens next?

    Who has had experience with a double SLE confrontation and has lived to tell about it? Or, even better, who is an SLE and has experienced how it feels like to be in the same room as another SLE, friend or otherwise?

    Going off of personal experience, SLE identical relations aren't all fun and immediate understanding as Wikisocion made it out to be. When I was at a convention, I met a girl who I have reason to believe is also and ESTp. We had all contacted each other prior due to similar interests, and now we were supposed to be going out to dinner together. She was leading a group of people, and I had arrived with an IEI friend. Within a few minutes, I started getting definite vibes of aggression from her, probably because she was feeling that I was challenging her leadership by making so many jokes and laughing it up with everyone. I backed down immediately because she was obviously the rightful lead wolf here, but still, there was a background of tension throughout the whole evening.

    Also, I feel like I get similar feelings from ESTjs. I've met one ESTj who apparently couldn't rest easy until she had the upper-hand over me. We were in a group together, and she kept on striking down all of my ideas. I'm not sure if she was like that with everyone, but at that moment, it felt like I was being targeted.

    So that brings me back to my original question. Can SLEs coexist peacefully (or even two EST-types), or must the less aggressive one tone down their or take on a less volatile position if they want to get along?

    Also, if you've had a different experience, a positive experience, or any experience whatsoever with this situation, do tell. I'm extremely curious.

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    estj's are assholes.

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    estp's can or cannot get along, depending on the spheres, and the individuals.

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    also aggression is a hole, being "more aggressive" can make one look like an asshole. don't undervalue the significance of such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    estj's are assholes.


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    I feel that many SLE's try to take too much room from me in social events. If I'm enough witty, I'll reach some attention of the Fe-egos present If I don't like the particular Fe-interceptionist, I might try to take most of his attention light away.
    This is not a declaration of war for precious Fe-resources, Yukiko. Welcome to the 16types.
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    Two SLE bitches walk into a bar and I immediately begin formulating a plan to get them into bed. I will abandon them later but it doesn't matter, I will fuck the shit out of them and I will enjoy it.

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    I read that two SLEs actually dont get along well, as you described, but they can if there is a clear-cut hierachy that allows for one to be in a position of power over the other. Not sure how much thats true though, as Im not sure Id enjoy it if someone was in a position of power over me and I constantly had to deal with them, and Im not even SLE!

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    It's muchly a matter of territorial issue on some matters. They can share if they are respectful due to perceived balance of power, especially willpower, though they will be watching their backs and propably looking for weaknesses if the other one isn't perceived too assertive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    I read that two SLEs actually dont get along well, as you described, but they can if there is a clear-cut hierachy that allows for one to be in a position of power over the other.
    That's what I think - or if not a clear hierarchy, at least well-defined roles. My bf is good friends with a female SLE, but in his circle of male friends, he's not very close with the SLEs at all (he's better friends with some deltas, even).
    Quote Originally Posted by Agee The Great View Post
    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    ESTps are holding hands because they are lesbian lovers and the INFp has to try to get in on a 3some with them by being incredible in every way.

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    Two SLEs walked into a bar...
    ...and they don't know what hit them.

    Two SLEs walked into a bar...
    ...and the gay bartender ask 'are you a couple.'

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    Couldn't give a fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agee View Post
    Couldn't give a fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    This is not a declaration of war for precious Fe-resources, Yukiko. Welcome to the 16types.
    Wouldn't have taken it that way in either case, and thank you for the welcome! ;P

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    I think identical can be social and work rivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Is this supposed to be a fucking joke? Are you retarded? Quit posting random pictures you dumbass drunkard.

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    I don't suppose that this is Se vs Se per se, but Alpha female vs Alpha female per se.

    IMO, the true Alpha female steps down and recognizes hierarchy and leadership... same with the true Alpha male.

    Also when I say alpha I mean it in the conventional sense not the socionics sense lol.
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    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    I've never seen SLE-SLE friendship, usually it is LSI-SLE pairs who make good friends.

    Identical relations are classed as repulsive in socionics but smoother if one identical has some advantage over the other (age, experience, skill, knowledge, etc.) so that the other one naturally steps down. However having a common goal or common interests makes even conflicting types get along together. Such factors override 'socionically prescribed' relationships all the time, so it is quite possible for two people who type as SLEs to get along given the right circumstances.

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    Identical types compete for their attention.

    ESTjs do want to be right and they won't strike your ideas down but they are looking at it as being useful and productive; if they are just ideas without any productive qualities, then they tend to ask the "but what if..." questions to get you to see the structure like they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agee View Post
    Is this supposed to be a fucking joke? Are you retarded? Quit posting random pictures you dumbass drunkard.
    Just wanted to check something, no need to cry like a little baby. But hey, you can call it random any time, I don't mind at all. Quit being a baby.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    I've never seen SLE-SLE friendship, usually it is LSI-SLE pairs who make good friends.

    Identical relations are classed as repulsive in socionics but smoother if one identical has some advantage over the other (age, experience, skill, knowledge, etc.) so that the other one naturally steps down. However having a common goal or common interests makes even conflicting types get along together. Such factors override 'socionically prescribed' relationships all the time, so it is quite possible for two people who type as SLEs to get along given the right circumstances.
    SLE-Ti with SLE-Se
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    dreams larger
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    and does not
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    meaning of no.
    Because everything
    through her, and in her, is
    "Yes, it will be done."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Michelle Rodriguez and Jessica Alba are suspected to be ESTps. From this interview, it looks as if two ESTps could get along fairly well.

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    Two Alpha (not the alpha quadra, you know what I mean) females like that together feels very tense even if they seem like they're getting along. It seems really tense to me. I don't think they'd ever go shopping and get a frappuccino together, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Two Alpha (not the alpha quadra, you know what I mean) females like that together feels very tense even if they seem like they're getting along. It seems really tense to me. I don't think they'd ever go shopping and get a frappuccino together, for example.
    I got that same vibe, but it didn't seem as bad as Katy Perry's spats with Kara Dioguardi on American Idol, so I assumed it was a tame sort of tension. It's interesting that you brought that up.

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    Hmm. I didn't get that vibe. I felt really comfortable with it. It's similar to how I am with my better friends and it actually felt like a better, more comfortable sort of getting along than a lot of women's relationships with the "shopping and frappuccino" kind of thing. More real. Didn't seem tense to me, except for the tension inherent in getting interviewed. They weren't competitive or upstaging each other or making little jabs at each other. Not catty at all iow, which is nice.

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    I dunno, to be honest I didn't really watch much of it but I know their personalities separately and I don't see how it wouldn't be a tense vibe. Like competition. I hate that feeling I get when I'm around some women. You'll smile and be superficial but in the back of my mind I'm thinking, step down bitch lol

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    Here's an even better example. Apparently, they had a falling out too, so this might give you a better view into identical SLE relations.




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    Angela Lindvall

    Sandra Bernhard is not a p type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
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    Sandra Bernhard is not a p type.
    I dunno... Here's where I found her: http://www.socionics.us/celebrities/sle_2.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    Two SLEs walked into a bar...
    Bahahaha so true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Rockwell View Post
    I dunno... Here's where I found her: http://www.socionics.us/celebrities/sle_2.shtml
    If Rick knew how to type, he could type all of us accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Rockwell View Post


    Michelle Rodriguez and Jessica Alba are suspected to be ESTps. From this interview, it looks as if two ESTps could get along fairly well.
    Fuck me, why are SLEs so sexy? Michelle Rodriguez is hot.

    Jessica Alba seems like an obvious SEI. Her beginnings in show business is much indicator of that, especially that series which she has been in for a good 4 years or so (not sure about the time but she did that for a good while), where she plays a young girl who loves and take cares of dolphins and swim with them, etc. Then she made Dark Angel where she played a SEI as well and fell in love with an ILE. Most of her old stuff were not popular per se but definitely had alpha themes all over them. Also, she speaks of liking action movies but prefers to show her feminine side as well in the movies - a concern she shares with Angelina Jolie (whom I believe to be SEI as well).

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    Yeah, I don't think Alba is SLE either, though Michelle Rodriguez is. Don't know about the SEI thing for Alba, haven't pinned down a type for her, but SLE seems off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Yeah, I don't think Alba is SLE either, though Michelle Rodriguez is. Don't know about the SEI thing for Alba, haven't pinned down a type for her, but SLE seems off.
    This is where I found Jessica Alba's type: http://www.socionics.com/advan/estpcelebs.html. That's not to say that it's to be taken for granted, but it's been on that site for quite a while now (years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I hate that feeling I get when I'm around some women. You'll smile and be superficial but in the back of my mind I'm thinking, step down bitch lol
    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    I apologize, I was incorrect in my assumption, after viewing a video of Sandra Bernhard, she is SLE type.

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    lol Best one yet! Two SLEs, opposite sides of the same coin, apparently.
    I apologize in advance if this gives anyone a negative view on SLEs.

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    lol poor Kurt Loder. Courtney Love is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko
    Two SLEs walked into a bar...
    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Bahahaha so true!
    Maybe they should watch where they're going next time!

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