Gilly is Ti ESTp

[Creepy-female]

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[Reuben]

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[Kalinoche buenanoche]

boston huh.fringe is in boston.fringe is nice.
we -as a collective entity- are against EIEs who look like cats.actually ,EIEs were incarnated as EIEs in order to stop looking like cats.that's ,like,their life lesson.

[strrrng]

ill

[1981slater]

He is the harmonizing subtype, with long head.

[jessica129]

Haha dolphin you always have a really good way of telling stories and describing things.

[Beautiful sky]

His girlfriend is tiny and exotic. Like a wood elf. Or a little cat.

:laugh:

[nanashi]

Also, i could totally buy that typing: Gilly's always seemed Ep-Xi to me.

[Jenna]

"Spaghettios are so much lamer without meatballs. You can barely live off that shit."

Lmao wtf does that have to do with anything

I'm curious what gilly has to say about it, or did you mention it to him while you were with him?

[Reuben]

After liking every single post on your thread, I don't feel special anymore. Now I need to find some hard liquor to stave off the feelings of vicarious rejection that comes with knowing that Dolphin only thinks of me as one of her many whores.

[woofwoofl]

kickass dolphin! Sounds like a good time, and an excellent read... I'm gonna have to meet some people here when I get an automobile that's up for the journey...

I had Gilly in my mind as a Beta Extrotim for damn certain; me and Ashton were talking about it on Stickam one day, I was deadset on Beta, Extrotim, and Negativist, and Ashton was leaning ILE due to temperament and the Fe-related stuff being messy and scattered in a way that would exclude Fe dominance. I mentioned SLE and kept it burning like hell in the back of my mind, I think he saw it as possible; I've been leaning SLE stronger and stronger as time went forwards, and now I can finally nail it down. Off to the typesheets I go then...

[munenori2]

lol I was eating a can of Spaghettios when I wrote it.

They're even better heated up!

[Lotus]

so like, he'll travel across the country to meet You, but not a 30min subwaY trip mY waYYY?... fuck You gillY

[rat1]

all part of the master plan

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Does this mean you two can uhhh....

wait for it....


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DP SE me?

(I have the sense of humor of a 14 year old boy. Always and forever.)

[Absurd]

So then I realized that Gilly and I were more alike in ways than different

Sounds great.

[Gilly]

I think I might be turning into BnD because I want to run from thread to thread posting "I love you dolphin!" a million times. Serious.

I mean, shes the balls...

[Gilly]

Well the king of wands is in her future so that will likely change soon...

[Reuben]

So gilly you having dual sex with sam soon?

[Creepy-Snaps]

What I realized in the space between the tarot reading from the mad oracle and waiting to hear from a weed dealer that didn't know up from down, was that Gilly's girlfriend was actually 1000x more Ni than Gilly. I also realized that ENxj females are literally like cats.

Care to explain how she was more Ni?

So then I realized that Gilly and I were more alike in ways than different and that his girlfriend zowned us in terms of Ni.

So you felt more comfortable around someone you've seen talk, at least on an internet forum, for YEARS, and felt a little uncomfortable around someone you just met for the first time...??? no kidding it'd be different! Doesn't mean Ni.

So then I'm like, well that makes sense, because Gilly eats, breaths, and poops Ti. Thats always been obvious. And he's not Ne. Ne is spacey and delicate and obscure. Ne combines ideas into something you've never heard of and makes jokes that are funny because you've never heard them but also make you scratch your head like wtf?

I disagree he's been Ti. I agree though he's not Ne, I never bought the ENTp typing. IMO he's still very clearly Beta ENFj.

Se is like focus. Its a lot of focus that can go anywhere, but Se valuing Eps don't always mete it out optimally. Ni is about priorities. Ni already has their shit straight. They don't need tarot card readings because they're already a walking tarot card. ENxjs care more about discussing violent ways to die so that they would feel truly alive and such.

Where did you get this? Or just making assumptions about types?

So you feel because you related to Gilly a bit, 'chaotically', as in 'not having your shit straight', you think that must mean he's NOT Ni? I don't believe there's a correlation between 'having your shit straight' and Ni. I know Ni types aren't bothered as much by certain ideas, but surely a mature ENFj would appear differently than an immature ENFj.

I high fived Gilly several times during our talks. I don't remember why, but I remember being like "zowned, bitchez!"

Clearly more proof he's ESTp.

And you don't remember why? You don't remember everything about meeting him? How are we supposed to trust your judgment, when you're telling a hyped-up, less than half version of what he's really like? You're using selective memory, IMHO.

I'm glad you had a great time meeting Gilly. I don't think 3/4 of the stuff you described is necessarily socionics-related, much less indicative of a type. I still strongly believe Gilly is ENFj, and Ti-seeking.

[Reuben]

Hey mountaindew, when girls are being hormonal and stupid, you know they need some gentle loving.

Don't bombard them with smart questions that they have no way to answer because, as we all know, their brain shuts down during their copulation period.

[Jenna]

So you felt more comfortable around someone you've seen talk, at least on an internet forum, for YEARS, and felt a little uncomfortable around someone you just met for the first time...??? no kidding it'd be different! Doesn't mean Ni.

Umm, what she said had nothing to do with comfort vs discomfort. She said she was more similar to him than he was to his girlfriend (who is an obvious EIE).

Where did you get this? Or just making assumptions about types?

Yeah because someone who has been here 4+ years can't make their own observations and notice similarities and come to conclusions based on that. As you would say,

So you feel because you related to Gilly a bit, 'chaotically', as in 'not having your shit straight', you think that must mean he's NOT Ni? I don't believe there's a correlation between 'having your shit straight' and Ni. I know Ni types aren't bothered as much by certain ideas, but surely a mature ENFj would appear differently than an immature ENFj.

What she said actually reminds me of the metaphors expat came up with for the different IMs.
See:

Suppose that the "soccer field" is actually on the deck of the boat. The Ni IP are there on their observation point, watching the Se EP going about getting the ball going. Their role is to warn the Se EP of possible consequences of their actions. The INTp tells the ESFp, "if you try to run that way again, you may fall off the deck"; the INFp tells the ESTp, "watch out about being so rude to that guy, he may go out of his way to be an obstacle, Be nicer to him".

Clearly more proof he's ESTp.

My impression was that she was just adding in details of their meeting. It isn't only a thread saying why she thinks gilly is estp, but also explaining some of the things they did.

And you don't remember why? You don't remember everything about meeting him? How are we supposed to trust your judgment, when you're telling a hyped-up, less than half version of what he's really like? You're using selective memory, IMHO.

Yes because she has to remember and describe EVERYTHING ABOUT MEETING HIM to get her point across, otherwise what she is saying can't be trusted, lolNiPoLR. (what is "and you don't remember why?" even addressing? It seems like you randomly threw that question in there) Was she supposed to explain the ENTIRE thing? That's ridiculous. I'm sure she would be willing to answer questions, if people had any. How is it a "hyped-up, less than half version of what he's really like" ? Or how is she is using selective memory? Yeah, it's short. So? Does that mean she is solely basing her opinion on what she has written here? Probably not.

I'm glad you had a great time meeting Gilly. I don't think 3/4 of the stuff you described is necessarily socionics-related, much less indicative of a type. I still strongly believe Gilly is ENFj, and Ti-seeking.

Again, a lot of it was just about meeting him. And you would know his type because you know him so well, met him, and know anything about socionics?

Dj still says EIE, and I normally agree with him, but because dolphin met him and says SLE, I'm considering it.. No decision made or anything. It is interesting to point out that Peter doesn't get along with most EIEs, but does get along with George.

[Reuben]

Clearly Jenna is long past her ovulation stage.

Most males steer clear of women during this period; they are way too intelligent for their own good.

[Jenna]

My period tracker says I'm ovulating now

[Reuben]

Come over, I'm hungry.

[Slacker]

I'm glad you had a great time meeting Gilly. I don't think 3/4 of the stuff you described is necessarily socionics-related, much less indicative of a type. I still strongly believe Gilly is ENFj, and Ti-seeking.

Dolphin has a unique and really charming way of writing, and a lot of your complaints are aimed at the charm part of her writing. It isn't all intended to show his type. Some is just part of telling a story.

(No opinion on his type btw)

[Creepy-Snaps]

Umm, what she said had nothing to do with comfort vs discomfort. She said she was more similar to him than he was to his girlfriend (who is an obvious EIE).

And don't you think subconsciously, you'd be more comfortable with someone you've met before? And someone you can talk socionics with? That obviously influenced and biased her decision-making. Which is important, if you're going to believe her argument based on impressions, and not facts.

Yeah because someone who has been here 4+ years can't make their own observations and notice similarities and come to conclusions based on that. As you would say,

Te-POLR. Time and experience doesn't mean you truly got it yet. Does a garbage-picker of 20 years experience know how to advise a young person on career paths? Can someone on a socionics forum for 5 years accurately type others?

What she said actually reminds me of the metaphors expat came up with for the different IMs.
See:

That's ok if it makes sense to you, I'll agree to disagree.

Yes because she has to remember and describe EVERYTHING ABOUT MEETING HIM to get her point across, otherwise what she is saying can't be trusted, lolNiPoLR.

My impression was that she was just adding in details of their meeting. It isn't only a thread saying why she thinks gilly is estp, but also explaining some of the things they did.

Again, a lot of it was just about meeting him.

She doesn't have to include EVERYTHING. Just maybe something socionics-related, other than deducing that 'high-fiving' must clearly be Se. Do you know what Te-POLR is? Do you realize she wasn't JUST telling details about her visit with Gilly, but that everything was a sub-argument to her overall point, her THREAD TITLE, that Gilly is Ti ESTp?

(what is "and you don't remember why?" even addressing? It seems like you randomly threw that question in there)

Read better. It was a response to the statement I had quoted.

Was she supposed to explain the ENTIRE thing? That's ridiculous.

I didn't say she had to explain the entire thing at all. Just would have preferred a more formal argument, as opposed to sloppy impressions. HEY GUYZ, GILLY POOPS TI, AMIRITE???

I'm sure she would be willing to answer questions, if people had any. How is it a "hyped-up, less than half version of what he's really like" ? Or how is she is using selective memory?

Te-POLR.

Yeah, it's short. So? Does that mean she is solely basing her opinion on what she has written here? Probably not.

If so, I'd like to know what other factors she's basing it on. That's all.

And you would know his type because you know him so well, met him, and know anything about socionics?

As others say it's good enough, it's easy to type someone on the internet, more than you think. Ask Ashton. I've seen pictures of Gilly, and have read countless posts of his. Fe all over the place! Ti-seeking.

Dj still says EIE, and I normally agree with him, but because dolphin met him and says SLE, I'm considering it.. No decision made or anything. It is interesting to point out that Peter doesn't get along with most EIEs, but does get along with George.

That's fine if you want to consider it, I agree to disagree. I'm just way skeptical of dolphin's sloppy definitions of the functions, and Ni, and ENXj, to trust her opinion.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Clearly Jenna is long past her ovulation stage.

Most males steer clear of women during this period; they are way too intelligent for their own good.

Or still in that stage, as she mentioned.

lol Jenna, thank you for being here to supervise MDs ass. <3

MD, Ive already wrote a lot about my views of the functions, tho they're not exhaustive. To write them all here would take years. It'd be like having to establish 2+2=4 everytime I wanted to talk about math because you can't deal with concepts whose reasoning does not spoon feed you. Learn to interpret a metaphor.

TI-POLR. Oi. I'M ALLOWED TO SAY WHATEVER I WANT WITHOUT HAVING TO EXPLAIN MY REASONING! You all listen to me, now!

Dolphin has a unique and really charming way of writing, and a lot of your complaints are aimed at the charm part of her writing. It isn't all intended to show his type. Some is just part of telling a story.

(No opinion on his type btw)

It is very charming. It was a fascinating story. Interesting read. But although, even if it wasn't intended to show his type, the fact that some people are seriously considering him as Ti ESTp now, because of the 'charm' form of writing, I do have a problem with.

[Slacker]

I think what she's trying to say is something like, "I met him. Here's this interesting story about us meeting. I've been here a long time so I know a bit about Socionics now, and I think he's ESTp." It didn't look to me like it was intended to be a rock-solid argument for it as much as a story and discussion starter. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Dolphin.

So discuss! You say you don't see him using Ti, but god almighty if I haven't been dragged into arguments with him that felt like it. That's why I have had a hard time giving up the ILE typing, I think. And the older my ILE daughter gets, the more I argue with her like that. It's like instead of straight-forward arguing and presenting what you see, tearing down the base underneath someone else's argument - deconstructing the logic behind it.

Though I suppose that could just be a sign of him valuing Ti. I mean he's a smart guy and if he values it he'll get at least some level of competency. My only strong opinion is that he is at least from a quadra that values Fe.

[Absurd]

I'M ALLOWED TO SAY WHATEVER I WANT WITHOUT HAVING TO EXPLAIN MY REASONING! You all listen to me, now!

Bwahaha!

[Creepy-Snaps]

I am not forcing anyone to listen to me, implicitly or explicitly. I would have been happy to give a short outline of reasoning as it pertains to functions or to answer specific questions related to my statements. But you have filled your replies with so many emotional barbs that are meant to belittle, shame, and degrade, without any provocation, that I do not wish to explain myself anymore. I respect the desire for more complete knowledge, but you do not seem to truly seek that. Instead you seem to be simply picking a fight. I have no idea of your motivation for doing so. But I ask you to please go somewhere else with that. I do not wish to fight.

I guess I'm just annoyed in general, for how gullible people are. Willing to believe any half-sensible argument they hear. Then they wonder why they're so confused.

I think what she's trying to say is something like, "I met him. Here's this interesting story about us meeting. I've been here a long time so I know a bit about Socionics now, and I think he's ESTp." It didn't look to me like it was intended to be a rock-solid argument for it as much as a story and discussion starter. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Dolphin.

So discuss!

That's the thing. I would love to discuss Gilly's type, but miss supervisor Jenna and OP dolphin said that's not the point of this thread. So it's like they're saying:

1) Hey! Here's a cool story how Gilly is ESTp, and it's a fascinating read, too!
2) Oh, you want to actually discuss his type? He's clearly ESTp, and that's not the point of this thread, it's to tell a story.

Like, they haven't provided a chance to rebuttal what they were saying. It's like they just want everyone to believe them, without any questions asked. So I don't have a choice.

Or at least that's what I get from Jenna. I see dolphin is at least willing to answer questions.

Dolphin, was Gilly slow to respond, or generally quick to respond?
Did he talk about anything that you felt was very insightful, or could really get into a person's mind?
How well did he interact with the environment?
Did he joke about using force at all?
If he took initiative in anything, what did he take initiative in?

You say you don't see him using Ti, but god almighty if I haven't been dragged into arguments with him that felt like it. That's why I have had a hard time giving up the ILE typing, I think. And the older my ILE daughter gets, the more I argue with her like that. It's like instead of straight-forward arguing and presenting what you see, tearing down the base underneath someone else's argument - deconstructing the logic behind it.

And many people thought I was ESTp for the longest time, and others still swear they see logic in my arguments.

Though I suppose that could just be a sign of him valuing Ti. I mean he's a smart guy and if he values it he'll get at least some level of competency. My only strong opinion is that he is at least from a quadra that values Fe.

I'd agree with this. More specifically, ENFj!

[Slacker]

I don't get that same style of arguing from you (MD).

And dolphin, I type more by getting impressions of people too. It is hard to give the kind of arguments some people here want when that's how you do it.

[Absurd]

Best way is to hear what Gilly has to say. I mean, it's not like he died.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Bwahaha!

Hahaha!

[Creepy-Snaps]

I don't get that same style of arguing from you.

Jumping back to your previous point, forgot to mention. I wouldn't consider your comparison with your own daughter to be accurate. Again, one of the base rules of socionics, is that people on different levels in a hierarchy can distort the natural flow of the functions.

^... that and I see like 90+% of mothers, who know a bit of socionics, type their teenage daughters in opposing/adjacent quadras, whenever they disagree.

[Slacker]

She isn't a teenager, and I'm pretty sure of her type. We get along 99% of the time. I just know how she argues because I live with her.

[Creepy-Snaps]

For the most part, this is a succinct summary. However a good part of the imagery relates to my actual Socionics views, which IS largely based on perceptual impressions of people. I consider myself to be adept at that venue. I do not think it is bragging to say it is one of my greatest strengths. I am sorry that the lyricism perhaps confounds people but to me it is not so much lyricism as breath, or air; necessity.

I have gathered some of my impressions of Socionics here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-the-functions if anyone would like to get a better idea of my thought process.

Would you consider adding this to your sig? Please answer my questions when you get a chance, dolphin. I have to go, ttyl everyone.

[Creepy-Snaps]

She isn't a teenager, and I'm pretty sure of her type. We get along 99% of the time. I just know how she argues because I live with her.

Then how does she argue differently? You said the style is different? How so? How is your impression different?

[Absurd]

Hahaha!

[Slacker]

I already described it. She doesn't straight-out state disagreement and how she feels about something. She looks at the logic of my argment and tears down the logic behind my argument instead of just telling me what her opinion is and how it differs from mine. It's like she doesn't even outright state she disagrees with me always. That isn't important to her - she doesn't want to change my mind and show me she's right, she just wants to tear apart my argument and show me it doesn't make sense.