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    Yeah, I know I'm making a lot of theories even though I'm new, but... I just have so many ideas sometimes. Also, just in case someone may have brought this up, sorry for redundancy.

    So, here is my idea. Here is the 4-letter code typically used:

    Extraverted/Introverted
    iNtuition/Sensing
    Thinking/Feeling
    perceiving/judging

    Which is based on Jung's original typology. But Socionics is actually a lot different than Jung's original typology. In order to distinguish itself from the original typology as well as MBTI, I think this makes sense:

    Extraverted/Introverted
    iNtuition/Sensing
    Thinking/Feeling
    StatiC/Dynamic

    Now, I realize there are complications with this. First off, the only letter in static that made sense to me was the C. I haven't thought this system entirely through, but I thought it was worth mentioning. The main problems I have right now are sorting out the intertype relations. To make it easier, I will just make a list of types using this:

    3-letter/MBTIesque 4-letter/My 4-letter

    ILE / ENTp / ENTC
    SEI / ISFp / ISFD
    ESE / ESFj / ESFD
    LII / INTj / INTC
    EIE / ENFj / ENFD
    LSI / ISTj / ISTC
    SLE / ESTp / ESTC
    IEI / INFp / INFD
    SEE / ESFp / ESFC
    ILI / INTp / INTD
    LIE / ENTj / ENTD
    ESI / ISFj / ISFC
    LSE / ESTj / ESTD
    EII / INFj / INFC
    IEE / ENFp / ENFC
    SLI / ISTp / ISTD

    It does not feel intuitive, and that may be because it does not divide the functions obviously. For example, Se or is obviously extraverted because of the "e" or the "black color". It is also obviously irrational because "S" or the "circle shape" stands for "sensing" which is an inherently irrational function, to those who are familiar with Jungian types. But Se is not instinctively statiC, since neither "S" nor "e" alone can reveal this, it is only clear in conjunction. That's probably the best argument against this system.
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    Just a note you can use to help support your idea,
    If you allow for the dimensions of model a functions, the main difference between say, an infp and an infj is that one is static, the other dynamic, all of their dimensions are the same.
    Both have
    4D Fi, Ni
    3D Fe, Ne
    2D Si, Ti
    1D Se, Te

    This would apply to any of the types
    ENTx
    ENFx
    INTx
    INFx
    ESTx
    ESFx
    ISTx
    ISFx
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    If you allow for the dimensions of model a functions, the main difference between say, an infp and an infj is that one is static, the other dynamic, all of their dimensions are the same.
    That is actually a point I haven't even thought about. That does reveal a lot about quasi-identities to me. Thank you, ann.
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    Yes, it's an interesting point. The difference between types with the same code is Consciousness/Unconsciousness, also called Mental/Vital.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post

    It does not feel intuitive, and that may be because it does not divide the functions obviously. For example, Se or is obviously extraverted because of the "e" or the "black color". It is also obviously irrational because "S" or the "circle shape" stands for "sensing" which is an inherently irrational function, to those who are familiar with Jungian types. But Se is not instinctively statiC, since neither "S" nor "e" alone can reveal this, it is only clear in conjunction. That's probably the best argument against this system.
    I'm not sure I follow, especially this section.

    What exactly are you against in the system? How does the notion that Static/Dynamic is a conjunction of X+y support your position?


    Also, although you're right about the conjunction bit, functions come before dichotomies. Se is innately Static, it is a property that exists because of the nature of the functions.


    Base Se would tell us right off the bat:
    Irrational
    Extravert
    Static
    Sensing
    Decisive
    External(?)
    Involved(?)
    ESp

    And that's using elements before 16 are created due to Model A.
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    No, you were missing my point. I meant it was the best argument against my position. Hehe, guess I should clarify that.

    And the rest of what you are saying, I agree, but I am just looking for weak spots in the system I am proposing before I outright advocate it.
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