Finally a WA self-type thread

[Suz]

Ok i'm pretty confident about my self-typing at this point, but to humor those who disagree and to put the issue to rest (perhaps? if that's ever possible in socionics?), here is my typing thread. I'd never made a self-type thread in the past simply because i dont rely on group-think, I went by my own self-assessment as well as corroborations by people i see as reliable sources in the community as well as supportive evidence from my intertype interactions on here as well as irl.

But I would like to know what evidence is behind those mutterings of me being ESE or Fe-dom, in people's minds. If any other type is also on the table, please also dont be shy to share your thoughts.

[MisterNi]

IEE, but ESE is possible too I guess.

Do you find yourself being attracted to or repulsed by Ti and Ti-valuing members here?

[Raver]

Where's the poll?

Anyways, Fi-IEE fits you well. Often Fi-IEE can be confused as ESEs because they're more emotional and rational in nature, but it only appears this way superficially. Internally, a Fi-IEE is still an IEE and behaves like one even if it is not as obvious as a Ne-IEE subtype. Based on what I know about you and what you've told me, only confirms the fact that you are a Fi-IEE further.

[Suz]

IEE, but ESE is possible too I guess.

Do you find yourself being attracted to or repulsed by Ti and Ti-valuing members here?

Well i think Ti-valuers' responses to me in multiple threads on the forum speaks for itself, but to me the difference is clear, i certainly gravitate to the Te-egos here (with a few exceptions) and tend to shy away from the Ti-egos (again with a few exceptions).

[Suz]

Where's the poll?

oh and no poll because i'm less interested in numbers and more in why people are thinking what they are thinking.

[Reuben]

You mean, where's the poli? I've been asking myself that question too.

[Slacker]

The second most likely type for you IMO would be EII, not ESE.

[Suz]

The second most likely type for you IMO would be EII, not ESE.

Yeah I feel the same way actually...

[EyeSeeCold]

The second most likely type for you IMO would be EII, not ESE.

Yeah I feel the same way actually...

Really? EIIs tend to hold back a lot from themselves while perfecting their image(as all IJs do). Doesn't really seem like that's what's going on, you really think so, WA?


Anyway, I'm at ESE/IEE also, but I'm going with IEE.

[Suz]

Really? EIIs tend to hold back a lot from themselves while perfecting their image(as all IJs do). Doesn't really seem like that's what's going on, you really think so, WA?


Anyway, I'm at ESE/IEE also, but I'm going with IEE.

Well i have been a tiny bit undecided between IEE and EII, but it's sort of been like 95% sure of IEE, maybe 5% for EII (possibly). I do think I'm an extravert at heart (socionically). Social outgoingness, I can vary a great deal. And you're right, i dont really feel the need to hold back too much, especially in an anonymous environment like the forums. I dont really care a whole lot about "image" either. Well, maybe in some ways occasionally.

[Suz]

so??? the peeps who want to type me ESE or EIE who had been so insistent about it in chat and typelists... well?? where are you now? lets hear your reasons!! why the silence? you have the floor... speak!

[Reuben]

I saw the bunny and didn't dare to break your heart.

[Suz]

I saw the bunny and didn't dare to break your heart.

aww you wouldnt break my heart Reubs... please share your thoughts.

[Reuben]

1) You're too easy to fool (not Ne-base).

2) You don't play along with metaphors unless they are already explained to you (not Ni-valuing).

3) Your demonstrative Fe may actually be ego Fe (compared to delise, ryene, and slacker).

Verdict: ESE-bunny subtype.

[Reuben]

4) Always concerned about being productive (Te-role)

5) Truth seeking (Ti-dualseeking)

6) Enthusiastic, uplifting, happy (Fe-base)

Verdict: ESE-stubborn bunny subtype.

[Suz]

1) You're too easy to fool (not Ne-base).

OK i dont buy this one. how are you judging this? Sounds like you are assuming a lot here...

2) You don't play along with metaphors unless they are already explained to you (not Ni-valuing).

I also dont play along with metaphors if i dont want to be involved in them. Sometimes, though, I do need them explained to me... not always... But then again, i dont think me being not Ni-valuing was under question.

3) Your demonstrative Fe may actually be ego Fe (compared to delise, ryene, and slacker).

OK how are you making that distinction is what my thread is about....

Tbh, I dont see how i'm all that different from slacker. Anndelise i havent talked to that much, though i dont see her Fe as any different from mine. And Ryene is EII with Fe-ignoring.

[Suz]

4) Always concerned about being productive (Te-role)

5) Truth seeking (Ti-dualseeking)

6) Enthusiastic, uplifting, happy (Fe-base)

Verdict: ESE-stubborn bunny subtype.

I dont necessarily agree with your definitions above. I see truth-seeking and productivity as Te-valuing features. And IEEs are well known for enthusiasm, optimism, and ability to cheer people up, as per the literature.

one example:

According to Filatova, the one in charge is important - if it is the more positive of the two, or the one more that is more of a natural psychologist, then the relation will run smoothly. Out of the four illusionary cases Filatova offers, two have the same types, but the one in charge is reversed. In the more successful relationships, the only dichotomy shared by the three types in charge is static. IEEs, which she says are life-loving optimists, are negativists.

from http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...le=Illusionary

[Slacker]

You think she's more Fe-ish than I am? I'm going to go cry somewhere.

Also, again I see this idea that unvalued weak functions (like Te to an ESE) look like valued functions. If she looks like she values Te, maybe she just values Te.

[Reuben]

You think she's more Fe-ish than I am?

Yep.

If she looks like she values Te, maybe she just values Te.

What is your take on productivity? Wawa doesn't look like she values Te, she looks like she needs to get Te done and out of the picture so that she feels better.

They rarely say or do anything that would worsen people's feelings, preferring instead to distance themselves from people and social situations that produce negative feelings.

This is completely contrary in regards to your interaction with Kassie.

IEEs will struggle with things that require sustained willpower and self-motivation. Because of fluctuating interest levels in self-pursuits, these tasks are difficult to sustain.

Completely unlike you. You are able to demonstrate good will-power and self-motivation. Furthermore, the screenname WorkaholicAnonymous is completely inconsistent with the IEE image (check out the screenname of the IEE above).

They avoid clearly defining relationships, responsibilities, expectations, etc. and frequently feel threatened and overly rebellious when other people try to establish bounds and limitations that would affect them personally.

This seems to be completely contrary to your behaviour with those you like. E.g. facebook guy who's no longer on your facebook you know who
Your need to clearly define the relationship with him cost you both a bit in the short-term.

He can be very empathetic and will frequently comfort his friends and acquaintances, mostly letting them vent to him, offering suggestions as to what to do about it. These are usually practical.

Sounds more like me than you. You're usually the one venting though I'm pretty sure you do show empathy when those you care about are in need... much like every other ethical type

[Suz]

Completely unlike you. You are able to demonstrate good will-power and self-motivation. Furthermore, the screenname WorkaholicAnonymous is completely inconsistent with the IEE image (check out the screenname of the IEE above).

ummmm. Maybe YOU need to think a little more deeply about things. "WorkaholicsAnonymous" is essentially the same meaning as "Slacker". I chose that username because i'd been forced to be a workaholic for so many years and now i'm rehabilitating (i.e. slacking).

This seems to be completely contrary to your behaviour with those you like. E.g. facebook guy who's no longer on your facebook you know who
Your need to clearly define the relationship with him cost you both a bit in the short-term.

Again you are thinking very superficially. I defriended him because at the time he had hurt me deeply and it was pretty clear to me from what he said that he did not want anything to do with me. I also felt that I'd sort of "forced" him to be fb friends with me. Thus, when he clarified the hurtful thing and I forgave him, I've decided to leave it in his court to refriend me. It didn't cost us anything; if anything, this brought us closer together because he realized that what he said was extremely hurtful to me, and it would not have been if i didnt feel something for him. We are also continuing our friendship off of facebook (which he seems to rarely use anyway), and it's going well. Facebook friendship in my opinion (and in his opinion apparently) is not what defines a relationship or real friendship. But if you're ILE i wouldn't expect you to understand all these nuances of Fi.

[Reuben]

I'm not talking about what it cost you. And how did you get workaholic in the first place.

[krieger]

i haven't seen any reason to suspect the ENFp typing is wrong.

[Suz]

I'm not talking about what it cost you. And how did you get workaholic in the first place.

Reuben, it's such a thing termed "responsibility" which comes along with the thing called "life" and the stage thereof known as "adulthood." Or are you trying to say IEEs are incapable of getting an education or having careers or being responsible?

The first chance i got, I made arrangements to have a nice flexible set-up, but for many years i was stuck fulfilling requirements and expectations to get to where i am now. That said, this sweet flexibility of singleness i have now also wont last forever, as relationships also require responsibility as does being in charge of children (later down the line assuming that does happen at some point). Or are you saying IEEs can't have this sort of foresightedness?

Looks like you still have a lot of growing up to do Reubs.

[Suz]

Asked by wookie/aixelsyd to quote her from the chatbox:

[Today 11:26 AM]
wookie: you value Fi too much and too obviously to be ESE, WA

[Red Villain]

. If any other type is also on the table, please also dont be shy to share your thoughts.

Thanks for establishing a warm emotional atmosphere. I feel safer sharing my thoughts!

[Beautiful sky]

Well i think Ti-valuers' responses to me in multiple threads on the forum speaks for itself, but to me the difference is clear, i certainly gravitate to the Te-egos here (with a few exceptions) and tend to shy away from the Ti-egos (again with a few exceptions).

I agree with this.
A question:

When you are typing someone, do you record what they do or what they say?

[Pa3s]

so??? the peeps who want to type me ESE or EIE who had been so insistent about it in chat and typelists... well?? where are you now? lets hear your reasons!! why the silence? you have the floor... speak!

"Where be your gibes now? your gambols? your songs?
your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table
on a roar? Not one now to mock your own grinning? Quite
chop-fallen?"

[ashlesha]

i only said "not in my quadra" under the condition that intertype relations actually have merit. so i don't have an argument.

[Beautiful sky]

i only said "not in my quadra" under the condition that intertype relations actually have merit. so i don't have an argument.

just because someone's in your quadra that doesn't mean you're going to get along with everyone in it, however, one has a better chance of getting along with their dual, if their dual is open to them and truly wants to be involved in being your supplement.

[ashlesha]

i am aware of the dogma or theory or whatever you call it.

[Beautiful sky]

i am aware of the dogma or theory or whatever you call it.

Kassie, what do you think is the difference between you saying the above and this statement:

"yes, I know."

????

a degree of certainty; I know is an action verb; I am aware is passive. To JUDGE something is to be conclusive about your stance because you've decided against something else.

[Absurd]

Kassie, what do you think is the difference between you saying the above and this statement:

"yes, I know."

????

Haha.

[Ver]

i read everything here and I actually have the same problem as you do . I believe I'm ENFp Fi but many people think I'm alpha SF. Maybe, WA, you have alpha family? Or many Alpha friends? It could explain why you seem ESFj-ish. I personally believe I'm good at both Fi and Fe but I get on better with Te types although I have Ti friends .

[Suz]

i read everything here and I actually have the same problem as you do . I believe I'm ENFp Fi but many people think I'm alpha SF. Maybe, WA, you have alpha family? Or many Alpha friends? It could explain why you seem ESFj-ish. I personally believe I'm good at both Fi and Fe but I get on better with Te types although I have Ti friends .

Actually you bring up a great point... my mom is alpha SF, thinking SEI > ESE. We've always been very close, but the Fe/Ti - Fi/Te miscommunications do happen a lot. But yes, she's had a large influence on my life. I have at least one friend who is ESE but we dont hang out too much because she likes to have these HUGE get togethers of like 1000 people in clubs at wee hours of the morning and that's just not my thing. When we do get together to have a heart-to-heart though, we always have a nice chat and she's told me she's found my advice helpful and therapeutic.

[Suz]

I agree with this.
A question:

When you are typing someone, do you record what they do or what they say?

i try to look past what they are doing or saying to try to identify the motivations behind the actions/words. It's not always obvious.

[Ver]

So maybe you've trained yourself to use Fe. I think I did it, especially since I got to know socionics - I try to use it when I need to deal with Ti types, although I think using Si is easier for me when I have to deal with my INTj sister. I have a big family and everybody is alpha. If you feel IEE, you are probably IEE. It doesn't matter too much actually what type you are, socionics is to help you with your relationships and understanding, not to mess with your life . Personally, I never noticed anything that would make me think you are not IEE.

[Slacker]

IEEs have strong but unvalued Fe. It's our demonstrative function, which means we demonstrate use of it, but we don't value it.

IEEs have weak but valued Te. We are interested in it but have difficulty with it. WA told me her name was supposed to be ironic. So yeah our names me opposite things but if she's being ironic then we're lined right up.

[Beautiful sky]

i try to look past what they are doing or saying to try to identify the motivations behind the actions/words. It's not always obvious.

That would make you a perceptive type.

[Jenna]

Where is ESE coming from? D:
I agree with that quote from aixelsyd.

Compare WA to those Reuben mentioned, adding in other obvious IEEs like pianosinger and Kim. Now compare her to yellow82 and MD. Clearly fits in with the former.

# 1 doesn't seem true about WA, but it's so black and white that it's not type related and if it is, only on a small, small scale.
# 2 Not Ni valuing was already determined, and keep in mind IEEs are Ni ignoring.
# 3 As far as appearing enthusiastic...take a look at piano's avatar. It's like, the caricature of an IEE, outside on a bike with a hilarious Ne + Fe expression. While this thread isn't about piano, I'm saying that IEEs can appear this way as well.
# 4 not true of WA
# 5 truth seeking as Ti dual seeking? Who isn't truth seeking? How is it even type related? If anything, it would be Fi, I suppose.
# 6 restating # 3, which was just her Fe demonstrative. Another good comparison is woofwoofl, for the Fe demonstrative. He does the same exact thing that you are calling "Fe base" behavior but not only Fe bases act like that. It's especially difficult too see the difference because we're simply on the forum, not interacting IRL - I think I recall reading about EXFps appearing Fe base when expressing themselves via internet.. Don't remember where though

[WVBRY]

# 5 truth seeking as Ti dual seeking? Who isn't truth seeking? How is it even type related? If anything, it would be Fi, I suppose.

You contradict yourself.