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    I've been wondering if A-model changes in case of subtypes? Is your POLR different? I mean assuming I'm IEE Fi, is my A-model the same as the one of INFj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauluch View Post
    I mean assuming I'm IEE Fi, is my A-model the same as the one of INFj?
    No, subtypes never override the main type.
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    1) your PoLR could technically be more obvious when you emphasize your creative function.

    2) no, your model A is never the same as your mirror. Think about the issue as if temperaments were fixed (EP having a base perceiving extraverted function and a creative judging introverted function), and functions change. Then ENFp-Fi is more similar to ESFp than ENFp-Ne, but no comparison can be made with another temperament, so we can't say if it's more or less similar to an INFj.
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    I think he means Fi-ENFp is more similar to ESFp than ENTp. Ne-ENFp and Fi-ENFp are the closest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauluch View Post
    I've been wondering if A-model changes in case of subtypes? Is your POLR different? I mean assuming I'm IEE Fi, is my A-model the same as the one of INFj?
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    I think that even if you can be various subtype, your first function stay "accepting", and second stay "creative", ect. Ie if you a IEE-Fi, you (over)use Fi as a creative function and not accepting, a things wich differentiate really you from your mirror.
    Your model A will stay IEE, technically speaking.

    "accepting" use is really different than "creative" use, its obvious when when you meet your mirror

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    I think he means Fi-ENFp is more similar to ESFp than ENTp. Ne-ENFp and Fi-ENFp are the closest.
    ENFp-Fi is more similar to ESFp when compared to ENFp-Ne. Thus ESFp and ENFp-Ne are further apart than ESFp and ENFp-Fi.

    The measurement is generally considered as pertaining to the reinin dichotomies. I have no real awareness of other means. So if someone rejects reinin dichtomies, subtype recognition becomes problematic.
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    ENFp-Fi is more similar to ESFp
    What you mean is that strengtened creative imply strengtened normative function ? Just a question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noid View Post
    What you mean is that strengtened creative imply strengtened normative function ? Just a question.
    Well, in a way yes, because the stress on the accepting Ne behaviors and characteristics is less emphasized, thus the difference with an ESFp's Se is not as obvious.
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    1) your PoLR could technically be more obvious when you emphasize your creative function.
    i could see it working the other way around, i.e. if you focus very hard on Cre-Ne you can get a result that stands against an Se "assault" (in INxjs' case). the vulnerability consists in how it takes that much focus to reach a less vulnerable state.

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    Fi-IEE is very similar to Fi-SEE, the same as Ne-IEE is to Ne-ILE.. can often be difficult to decide between kindred & business with the identical subtypes. The conscious functions are more or less the same. Take Ne-IxE for example. Accentuate Ne base, subdue Ji creative. I really dunno how the super-ego, super-id or id are affected though.

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