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    Nah. My duals are prefect.

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    I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal View Post
    Evil INFjs: surely they exist?
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    I don't think so.
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    I'll tell you if I ever find one. I seek to roll in their evilness.

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    Well of course, why not? Types are not connected to being evil or good. (Btw, those are pretty abstract terms anyway.) Just because they have a rather "angelic" image doesn't mean they can't do a bad thing.
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    Morgan Freeman pulls off a pretty convincing rendition of INFj "evil" in several of his roles as an actor. don't know if that's indicative of anything.

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    I'm capable of being evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    I'm capable of being evil
    How so?

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    I was thinking about being an affable super villain for a while. Is that not the type of evil you're talking about?

    EDIT: On the other hand, I didn't actually go through with it.

    Basically, my idea was to be an anti-Hitler to prove that being an evil dictator doesn't mean you cannot be a likable person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agarina View Post
    I'm capable of being evil
    Quote Originally Posted by InkStrider View Post
    How so?
    Everyone with free will has the ability to do evil. I think that the first step to being good requires that one recognize their capablity for evil. It's like knowing the difference between right and wrong.
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    I was an EII bully back in the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Everyone with free will has the ability to do evil. I think that the first step to being good requires that one recognize their capability for evil. It's like knowing the difference between right and wrong.
    I agree. Even so, I'd been curious about the Delta NF "brand" of evil, and how it compares to other types.


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    I was an EII bully back in the day.
    Describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InkStrider View Post
    Describe.
    I used to pick on guys, hitting or kicking them when they irritated me (or just to be a butt sometimes). I used to come up and pop my friend in the back of the head (with an open palm) from time to time. I also enjoyed intimidating them. Never tried it on girls, though; I figured they'd kick my ass for it. I'm also a definite reaction-seeker, and I would put friends in certain situations just to see how they'd react.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I used to pick on guys, hitting or kicking them when they irritated me (or just to be a butt sometimes). I used to come up and pop my friend in the back of the head (with an open palm) from time to time. I also enjoyed intimidating them. Never tried it on girls, though; I figured they'd kick my ass for it. I'm also a definite reaction-seeker, and I would put friends in certain situations just to see how they'd react.
    I can second most of this :/ Not so physical, perhaps.
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    my momma
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I used to pick on guys, hitting or kicking them when they irritated me (or just to be a butt sometimes). I used to come up and pop my friend in the back of the head (with an open palm) from time to time. I also enjoyed intimidating them. Never tried it on girls, though; I figured they'd kick my ass for it. I'm also a definite reaction-seeker, and I would put friends in certain situations just to see how they'd react.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post
    I can second most of this :/ Not so physical, perhaps.
    . Is this the best you EIIs could come up with? Come on now, reveal to us your dark side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InkStrider View Post
    Oh??
    well not necessarily evil, but she's always given me a hard time. she favored my younger brother and sister my whole life, while my SLE dad was always closer to me. being married to her conflictor for 17 Years prob made her neurotic though. after the divorce she kicked me out while i was still in high school and had me live with mY dad. we've been on better terms since i've been thousands of miles awaY except she doesn't reallY desire to support me in anY waY. i called her recentlY for 50$ for art materials and she told me to drop out of college if i can't afford it mYself. she also had mY dad sent to jail for not paYing child support last Year. also, when i had mY first job at 14 Yrs old, i was too Young to have mY own bank account then so she had to put her name on one with me. i remember i onlY saved and didn't spend back then. at the end of the summer she stole $1,000 from the account, roughlY half of what i had earned from working those months. when i asked her for it when i was 16, she was offended that i remembered, and told me she's spent waaaYY more raising me and therefore owed me nothing.

    for some reason mY keYboard is onlY letting me tYpe capital Y's fuck mY life
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    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    well not necessarily evil, but she's always given me a hard time. she favored my younger brother and sister my whole life, while my SLE dad was always closer to me. being married to her conflictor for 17 Years prob made her neurotic though. after the divorce she kicked me out while i was still in high school and had me live with mY dad. we've been on better terms since i've been thousands of miles awaY except she doesn't reallY desire to support me in anY waY. i called her recentlY for 50$ for art materials and she told me to drop out of college if i can't afford it mYself. she also had mY dad sent to jail for not paYing child support last Year.
    I had no idea EIIs could behave like that. It is very irresponsible of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Everyone with free will has the ability to do evil. I think that the first step to being good requires that one recognize their capablity for evil.
    I think this is a good point. If you're forced to do good against your will, most people probably wouldn't acknowledge this as a morally good deed. The same thing would be someone who does something which ends up being good, but wasn't even aware of the consequences before. That means that free will and awareness are requirements to do good or bad things.
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    Villain from The Book of Eli

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    You cannot have one without having the other.

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    Oh, and also, I would imagine this to be a difficult question to answer because good and evil is not something everyone can agree on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InkStrider View Post
    I had no idea EIIs could behave like that. It is very irresponsible of her.
    We have an aversion to violence, you really think your dual could do such things? It's not capable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    We have an aversion to violence, you really think your dual could do such things? It's not capable.
    Aversion to forceful coercion and manipulation of personal space. I'm pretty sure EII can be violent, though maybe not physically violent, but people cross those lines depending on context. I've certainly done so, at times, but it's not my preferred method of operation.

    Anyway, none of what Allie described seems like violent behavior to me, much less unlike an EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
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    Ah, you mean the mayor? He had that cordial, welcoming and delightful attitude even though it was implied he was about to fuck you. His coercion was very subtle because of it. His goal was also centered around using the binding feelings of community and spirituality to control people, his method unique in this way. I think you could be right.

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    Well... there were times I've kicked my mom when I was younger because she wouldn't leave me alone... :/ but at the time I thought I wasn't hurting her... idk

    I guess that's it then. All the times I've hurt people, I think I've justified it by thinking they weren't really getting hurt.
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    The only length an EII has at the capability of malice is of applying psychological distance, by in-warding their frustration, not speaking, shutting away from the individual from indigestion of the situation at hand. An EII, I assure you, has no capability of hurting others by physical force, by bullying others, by malicious words intended or otherwise. Unless, in my case, I'll be honest, when I'm testing someone's emotional feedback in typing them, but I'm a very warm person and I'll admit to doing this; I hope people know me well enough to know that it's just a test. And, since this method, which I have used in the past has greatly troubled me emotionally, I have resorted to not using it again. A lot of misunderstandings arise from that and it's just not worth the possibility/or the pending emotional trouble that it might give rise to.

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    Yes, evil EIIs do exist. They exercise their evilness via Fi relational threats to manipulate Te dominants with. Personal experience.

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    You're seriously twisted in thinking such a thing could possibly exist. Fi base types objection is only one thing, it's to have a loving relationship and if this doesn't happen and formations of such is not taking place, then the Fi base will abandon the relationship; we're not out there for fun and experience (Se and Fe). You have seriously mistyped your experiences.

    Sorry, just another frustrated reaction on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    You're seriously twisted in thinking such a thing could possibly exist. Fi base types objection is only one thing, it's to have a loving relationship and if this doesn't happen and formations of such is not taking place, then the Fi base will abandon the relationship; we're not out there for fun and experience (Se and Fe). You have seriously mistyped your experiences.
    No, you're wrong. It just happened to me with an EII in another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InkStrider View Post
    No, you're wrong. It just happened to me with an EII in another thread.
    Are you referring that it happened with me; why are you being so indirect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    The only length an EII has at the capability of malice is of applying psychological distance, by in-warding their frustration, not speaking, shutting away from the individual from indigestion of the situation at hand. An EII, I assure you, has no capability of hurting others by physical force, by bullying others, by malicious words intended or otherwise. Unless, in my case, I'll be honest, when I'm testing someone's emotional feedback in typing them, but I'm a very warm person and I'll admit to doing this; I hope people know me well enough to know that it's just a test. And, since this method, which I have used in the past has greatly troubled me emotionally, I have resorted to not using it again. A lot of misunderstandings arise from that and it's just not worth the possibility/or the pending emotional trouble that it might give rise to.
    So you think that an EII can never intentionally hurt someone physically/bully them? Hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post
    So you think that an EII can never intentionally hurt someone physically/bully them? Hmm...
    That's the theory, anyway. Stereotypically, EIIs are angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Are you referring that it happened with me; why are you being so indirect?
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    Hmm. But what of this quote from Wikisocion?

    Although it is by no means necessary, this may also manifest itself as a general rejection or aversion to violence or force as a means or way of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post
    So you think that an EII can never intentionally hurt someone physically/bully them? Hmm...
    Yes. I seriously don't think we have the capability of such malice as emotions and characters of types exist within us and haunt us with guilt at every possibility of the thought of such actions and being rational types, we consider these things before we take action, sort of a preference for planning, talking to ourselves, talking out our actions coming to conclusions of what's moral, right and wrong, good or bad. It's bad to be in such a way anyway.

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