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    I am getting to the point that I can explain Socionics to a stranger if I wanted. I have most of this theory down. However, I am puzzled by the use of the term "Role" in role function.

    Is it a role you take on? A role you defer? What is a role function, and why do they say "role?"

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    I think, simply put, it's the function that filters information, that you are made aware of in the context of an environment. It probably happens when you become self conscious.

    The "role" of role function implies that you take on a mask of pretending to care about that information that is being received in the Super-Ego Block. It's situational, short-lived, and compulsory, therefore a role.


    These features are "sacrificed" for the sake of the first two
    functions: a person can well realize these functions, but they do not become achievable due to such realization. Most often functions of this block remember various social restrictions (because a person tends to explain his/her incapability of achieving good results by influence of society, education, "circumstances" etc.).

    3. The Role Function: often a person tries to look this way (in order to not reveal his/her weak traits before the others), but is not that kind; in an emergency situation this function tends to excesses.
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    Super-ego block
    Otherwise: unit of social control, the unit "must." Weak block, through it social environment presents their demands to the individual, who is forced to comply with these requirements. Since the functions are of perceived weakness, the person attaches great importance to the development, filling it.

    Functions:

    • 3rd: role - mental weak acceptance;
    • 4th: pain - mental weak productive.
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    Listen to ESC. Couldn't put it better myself.
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    i wouldn't necessarily describe it as "a mask of pretending to care about the information". The external pressure could just be requiring you to temporarily set aside how you normally process information, and consciously deal with this other type of information.

    With this in mind, I agree with the rest of ESC's post.
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    With the role function you're aware of potentialities and whether they should be acknowledged or ignored. It's the requirements vs procrastination balancing you undergo. It helps determine your priorities.

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    Here's a good example of Role Si, particularly kOrpsey's ideas:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=37321

    Essentially, as I understand, he's come up with this idea of "Meta-hunger." Granted, I'm not sure I understand it completely. But it seems to me that he is attempting to separate the physical feelings of actual hunger from the cognitive processes that lead one to think that they could be hungry at a future point in time.

    It's a good example of Ni-Base and Si-Role, as kOrpsey seems to be seeking a way to ignore his body's signs of physical hunger while still meeting his need for food using an Ni point of view-- that is, anticipating in advance when he might be hungry again and planning accordingly, so that when the pre-designated time arrives, he'll be ready to eat without having to wait or "listen for" physical hunger cues.

    Now attempting to apply this to myself, being Ne-Base and Se-Role. I should be seeking ways to "use" my Ne in a way that will allow me to simulate a sort of Se-exercise, without actually having to switch to operating my Role function. I might do this, for instance, by creating a visual work of art; this art, however, is unlikely to come out as anything recognizable in the real world, but more likely to be something that relies heavily on patterns and geometric shapes and symmetry-- a work of art that I can look at and let my mind wander to something else, even as I am creating it.
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    i don't see it as a real existing entity. it's more like the realization that role is sufficiently similar to base function for a person to get most of the answers right. the postulation of an additional "process" is unnecessary. Ti has all the necessary features in common with Fi for a person to engage in Fi behavior reasonably well, etc.

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    The role function is an excuse for people to see the use of one IE in another yet still claim that the person does not value that IE.
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    Role function, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    The role function is an excuse for people to see the use of one IE in another yet still claim that the person does not value that IE.
    Which comes from the reification of sociotypes into people. A sociotype is an information processor/energy conductor, but also a model of functioning used to represent operational humans.

    No one "uses" an IE or function, right, but using a model, it's interpreted that people tune-in, consider and attend to information coming from their Role/3rd function, which is in the Social Control block of Model A.
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