John Lennon

[sar]

Can't wait to hear thoughts on this one.

"You make your own dream. That's the Beatles' story, isn't it? That's Yoko's story. That's what I'm saying now. Produce your own dream. If you want to save Peru, go save Peru. It's quite possible to do anything, but not to put it on the leaders and the parking meters. Don't expect Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan or John Lennon or Yoko Ono or Bob Dylan or Jesus Christ to come and do it for you. You have to do it yourself. That's what the great masters and mistresses have been saying ever since time began. They can point the way, leave signposts and little instructions in various books that are now called holy and worshiped for the cover of the book and not for what it says, but the instructions are all there for all to see, have always been and always will be. There's nothing new under the sun. All the roads lead to Rome. And people cannot provide it for you. I can't wake you up. You can wake you up. I can't cure you. You can cure you." — John Lennon

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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...hn_lennon.html
http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0006168/quo..._=m_nm_trv_trv

[Nowisthetime]

Can't wait to hear thoughts on this one.

You mean his type? Obviously ILE.

[717495]

Ti-ENTp

[sar]

Oh wow...I thought there would be a lot more arguing over it

[DividedsGhost]

I wrote a bunch of stuff, but I don't want to bother posting it when people mostly ignore what I write and just assert what they think, as if my reasoning isn't for their own intellectual benefit to consider or argue against/for.

I'll wait and see what Vero, Ineffable, Labcoat, Krig, Gilly, LucidDreams, Jonathon, EyeSeeCold, HotelAmbush, Marie, Kamajama, brilliand, strnnng, Traveler, Subterranean, or Jerksies says, if they choose to post. Then maybe I'll post it.

[Krig the Viking]

He's self-evidently very very heavily Intuitive, which I suspect is where this strange ILE typing is coming from. But he's clearly not an NT Researcher -- his view of the world is passionate and emotional, not scientific and logical. He's an NF Humanitarian. His body language isn't rigid enough to be a Rational type, and his high levels of emotion and emotional influence make it likely he's a Merry type, leading to the conclusion that he's IEI. This is not a surprising conclusion, as the IEI is known as "The Lyricist" or "The Poet" or "The Romantic", and he clearly fits square in the middle of that stereotype.

I'd say that he's a Dominant IEI, and in specific probably an eie-IEI. His ideas demonstrate a Vulnerable Te type's naivete about how the world works and how ideas are implemented in practical terms, but he speaks with such conviction that it's hard not to get caught up in it, something I've observed is characteristic of Dominant IEIs.

[IBTL]

LIE

[SyrupDeGem]

I want to say ILE actually. I always had him in my mind as an introvert But he does so remind me of several ILE's. Introverted possibles LII. I can clearly see Ne ego... but with what I'm not yet sure. His lyrics though... rock my world....


Here come on' flat top, he come groovin' up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball, he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knees
Got to be a joker he just do what he please
He wear no shoeshine, he got toe jam football
He got monkey finger, he shoot Coca Cola
He say, "I know you, you know me
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free"
Come together, right now, over you
He bad production, he got Ono sideboard
He one spinal cracker, he got feet down below his knees
Hold you in his armchair, you can feel his disease
Come together, right now, over me
He roller coaster, he got early warning
He got muddy water, he one mojo filter
He say, "One and one, and one is three"
Got to be good lookin' 'cause he's so hard to see
Come together, right now
Over me, over you, over there
Come together

[aisa]

bump

[silke]

ILE-Ti sp/so

[Radio]

ILE E6

[Amber]

not sure if I posted here already, but ..... ILE-Ti sp/so e6

[maniac]

IEE ? Sx/so 5. Lol at sx last.. Maybe you havent read about him. I read a semi-fictional biography type book about him. Im pretty sure it was written by an IEI. The main character is a girl who gets Johns attention, and John falls head over heels for her and wants her to come with him on tour. He calls her and threatens to jump our the window of his hotel if she doesnt come, he ends uo jumping in towards his room but breaking his ankle. He acts typical sx in the book just like he was in real life. In the end he treats her like shit though. Apparently John was a wife beater and abuser.

[Kill4Me]

LII-Ne 5w4

look at the VI: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/lii-ne/

[darya]

Something boring and overrated.

[huiheiwufhawriuhg]

Lennon was definitely NF, IEE . I could hardly see anything else.

[maniac]

mm yeah i think eie

[khcs]

John Lennon - ISFP - Dumas

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[maniac]

hes so N

[para]

Introverted?

[user123]

EIE

[on a peaceful hiatus]

EIE

+1

[Kernel]

EIE is my guess too. EIE-Ni subtype.

[Disturbed]

Almost 100% sure he was ILE-Ti, though some of the things he was alleged to have done like hitting his son for bad manners, don't seem ILE-Ti. EIE usually aren't that commercially successful as artists nor in the way they "stir up the pot"/change the world like Lennon did, they usually do it through it politics (including assassinations) and as CEOs. He also came to respect property rights. He was quite emotional for an ILE-Ti, but then many ILE-Ti males are quite emotionally expressive and open to their emotions. And he supported private property rights heavily, seemed more yielding than obstinate, and his spending on high quality things (especially apartments, homes) indicate ILE-Ti over EIE. EIE sometimes buy expensive homes, but they don't usually look good, if they bought it on their own.

ILE-Ti are usually the most commercially successful artists and business people, especially when starting something new and "breaking new ground" like Lennon did. I've never heard his music (or if I didn't then I didn't know it was his), but he seemed like a good person overall who just happened to have an inferiority complex that it sounds like he sometimes took out on other people.

[Disturbed]

Also, the vast majority white American gentile males who were EIE-Ni supported the Vietnam War, while Alpha NT men were much more likely than most to oppose. He didn't seem to have much fear about communism coming over here like an EIE-Ni would've. He also didn't seem to absorb the emotions of demonstrators that much and then act on them in a violent, political-office taking way like an EIE-Ni (e.g., ******) would have (if an EIE-Ni had really opposed the war that much they would've joined an activist group or demonstrations and tried to lead the people in that group/had a group where members could join, rather than a band). He and his work were also more original than EIE-Ni tend to be. EIE-Ni usually aren't talented (to a revolutionary degree) non-violent people like Lennon was especially when they're seeing conflict that they can't stand.

He had a mostly Alpha demeanor slightly leaning towards Beta (his defiance, rebelliousness, combativeness, but those are somewhat common in ILE-Ti), but not a pure Beta one (Betas tend to be more nationalist, which Lennon certainly was not). Also, he said he didn't really feel like he fit in with a group when he was young and that he was a kid the other parents' kids wanted to keep their kids away from, while it's highly unlikely an EIE-Ni would reflect and say they didn't fit in or that parents tried to keep their kids away from them. Compare that to ****** and David Duke when they were young and it's like they idealized being part of a group of friends when they were young and actually cared to conform. Other EIE-Ni people I know also fit in well with groups of friends when they were younger and if they didn't and/or had a terrible childhood when they young, they will have either spent the last few years of their lives as militant rebels/authoritarians, or trying to "help people" and enjoying their spirituality. Lennon was more likely to be observing the action from afar and he made an artistic career of it, EIE-Ni don't usually do that; EIE-Ni are less likely to be that successful and popular as artists than ILE-Ti. He also didn't deliver speeches to audiences directly as much as an EIE would have.

[thegreenfaerie]

He does VI ILE I realized, but it's hard to see him as not being EIE... IEE is an interesting typing for him. I also see sx first or second. He's just always seemed pretty EIE to me

[khcs]

John Lennon - ISFP Dumas

[SGF]

[Rusal]

I saw this thread and I was curious enough to watch some old clips of the band. It’s uncanny how Paul and John seemed attached at the hip in them. Even with all 4 members present, they still shared a closer space or walked like in the same bubble, with the other two a little behind them. It reminds me of something like a shared biofield I once read about duals. This points to very favorable IR, probably duality. If you watch the videos, you'll see what I mean.

[thegreenfaerie]

Man do they harmonize well together too @ Paul and John @chorus

[Rusal]

Alright, don't ask me how or why, but I ended up in this hilarious Beatles thread somewhere, an a seemingly rabid fan (enough to watch all their interviews and listen to their sessions) noticed this about their interaction.

Here’s his/her unintentional contribution to this thread:

One observable example is that John and Paul did this weird spider-hand gesture thing with each other for years (which can be observed in some of the earlier interviews they did as a group with the press), and often when you listen to session tapes their speech to each other isn't linear and cohesive, but they always "get" what the other one is telling them. It was a relationship, and it was complicated and intense. Even their significant others, friends, and colleagues made comments on how intertwined they were over the years.

*duality intensifies*

[Tallmo]

Concerning Paul and John, they are a Creative-Harmonizing subtype match, there's no doubt about that. So one has to take that into account.

I guess John is EIE, and Paul could very well be an ESE-H.

[Rusal]

Concerning Paul and John, they are a Creative-Harmonizing subtype match, there's no doubt about that. So one has to take that into account

I thought theory had it that Creatives will have their way and Harmonizers are less likely to offer resistance, which is why the match works, not that communication channels work seamlessly when it's harder to understand for third parties.

[thegreenfaerie]

dodging of interview questions thru wordplay looks like Ne-flexing to me. keeps things light and entertaining, despite him being "edgy". he's so devilishly funny.

Paul McCartney strikes me as SF artisan type. if Paul were SEI , John as EIE would be supervised. which does not seem to fit.
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I cherish the idea of P & J being duals (or activity partners)and that feeding their creativity

That's a good point. I agree on SEI for Paul too. John does VI (taken with a grain of salt, but also some patterns are kind of hard to dismiss) like an ILE and I am seeing it more in is mannerisms here as well.