Does socionics type become more prominent as you grow up?

[Taknamay]

...does your type become more prominent?

I ask this based on my own experience. In my freshman year of high school, I sat at a lunch table with three or four other people. We would all bully one kid who had a speech impediment, and for some reason I went along with it. I guess I figured it was all in good fun since he wasn't leaving the table.

But near the end of the year, I realized that what I was doing was completely dumb and wrong. I don't want anyone to think of me as a mean person. Does this have anything to do with my type, or is it completely separate, like a change in religion? The thing is, I haven't always thought this way. It's only now that I have really been trying to be the best person I can be.

[anndelise]

Being nice or being a bully isn't type related.
However, the process you went through that changed your mind/actions might be.

In general though, I'd say it's part of the process of growing up. Supposedly, our ability to plan well, keep to a plan, and consider long range effects doesn't mature until we're in our 20's.
I'd done things in my teens and early 20's that I'm definitely not proud of.

Maybe apologize to the kid, let him know you realize you were wrong to do the actions you did, and then consider it a learning experience for yourself.

[Taknamay]

Don't worry about the kid; we're on okay terms now. I was just talking about my internal changes.

[anndelise]

Expect to go thru lotsa internal changes. I'm almost 40, and I'm still changing and growing. Now...if that don't scare ya...muhahahah

[Taknamay]

I am very frightened.

[force my hand]

...does your type become more prominent?

Certain aspects of your personality become more prominent, and they aren't necessarily the ones you'd think.

I am a markedly more different person at 28 than I was at 18. I imagine the 38 year old fmh will be another creature entirely.

[1981slater]

As people grow up, they become more and more addicted to their first and 5th functions, they smash others more frequently with creative and hidden agenda, their role and ignoring are more and more pathetic and the polr and demonstrative are mega annoying....and they start to have hair in their ears.

[DirectorAbbie]

My first best friend was a beta. Type isn't that big a deal in little kids.

[Taknamay]

Yeah, but it's like, it wasn't that one thing that changed. My entire world view changed. It was sort of like changing your religion or something.

[Nico1e]

This might sound scary, but there are things that happen to your brain, physically, while you're growing and developing, and they happen at certain ages. For instance, if I recall, something really big happens to your brain around age 12, and you become able to understand certain kinds of ideas that you couldn't understand when you were younger.

If your brain development went through a transition at a certain age, you would experience a feeling that your mind was opening up and getting a much broader and deeper perception of life. And it would be because your brain was physically bigger and stronger and able to do more things than it could do when you were young.

So if you read an article about brain development, you might see what happens at particular ages. I don't actually know any details about this, offhand. But I'm just saying, it could have been a physical change, instead of just being a mental change.

[Codie]

If your brain development went through a transition at a certain age, you would experience a feeling that your mind was opening up and getting a much broader and deeper perception of life.

I've experienced this kind of thing but it didn't happen at age twelve though.

[Taknamay]

That is quite interesting, Nico1e. I will definitely do some research of that.

[Raver]

In general though, I'd say it's part of the process of growing up. Supposedly, our ability to plan well, keep to a plan, and consider long range effects doesn't mature until we're in our 20's.
I'd done things in my teens and early 20's that I'm definitely not proud of.

Supposedly people don't fully mature into adults until their mid twenties. I did notice a change when I was around 24 on my overall mentality.

Anyways, I do think that as you get older you tend to behave as your type more. I feel like I act a lot more IEE now then when I was younger. It could be because when I was younger I was more hidden under a shell because I wasn't comfortable showing who I truly was to other people. Now, I don't really care as much and have a take it or leave it approach when dealing with other people. Also another thing to take into account as you get older is you start to care less what people think of you.

[FDG]

Meh, I've never felt any change in my personality since I was like...12.

[silke]

...does your type become more prominent?

I'd say your type becomes more "stable" rather than "prominent". In the beginning when you are a kid and teen, there are many more personality 'fluctuations', as your brain at this age is very flexible and it is in the process of rapidly growing and wiring itself. As a result, you may find your behavior and attitudes rapidly changing as well. As you grow older (into mid-20s and beyond) your brain will stop undergoing major changes, so your personality and habits will then become more fixed.

[Beautiful sky]

Tacknamay, based my understanding of EII, my type, I believe that a person of Fi type not only would learn to empathize with the persecuted person, but very likely never would have gotten involved in teasing the underdog in the first place. Empathy in an EII type is innate, not learned or acquired. Still, props for working on improving yourself.

[InkStrider]

Empathy in an EII type is innate, not learned or acquired. Still, props for working on improving yourself.

Empathy in everybody is innate (except psychopaths). Manifestation of which is learned/acquired.

...does your type become more prominent?

I think that we are gradually forced to use more and more of our super-id functions as we are placed in various settings in life which require the use of these functions. We would also tend to be more skilled in our ego functions. So in my view, our type does become more prominent, but so does our super-id functions- the hidden agenda, especially is prone to be mistaken for a strong function.

As people grow up, they become more and more addicted to their first and 5th functions, they smash others more frequently with creative and hidden agenda, their role and ignoring are more and more pathetic and the polr and demonstrative are mega annoying....and they start to have hair in their ears.

This.

[Gilly]

NTR. ****** is the same type as me and I have beaten the crap out of 3 kids in my life for talking down to my friends or picking on someone who couldn't help themselves.

[FDG]

NTR. ****** is the same type as me and I have beaten the crap out of 3 kids

They were jews?

[Gilly]

Yes Fabie, every last one of them.

[anndelise]

that interaction was hall of fame worthy, imo

[MisterNi]

glad that was setled.

[Taknamay]

Tacknamay, based my understanding of EII, my type, I believe that a person of Fi type not only would learn to empathize with the persecuted person, but very likely never would have gotten involved in teasing the underdog in the first place. Empathy in an EII type is innate, not learned or acquired. Still, props for working on improving yourself.

So you think I might be mistyped because I teased him in the first place? Or am I misunderstanding you...

EDIT: Also, it's probably worth noting that I have multiple psychological problems such as ADHD, anxiety, depression, etc. So that may or may not make a difference.

EDIT x3: Also, I had an emotionally abusive step father. That also might have affected me, idk.

EDIT x2: To make it clear, the reason I'm confused is because who I am now is so different than who I was then. I mean, if you're self typing, should you judge based on how you think of yourself now, or how you have acted in the past?

And gee, this is becoming more and more about me, isn't it? Maybe I should change the title.

[Leader]

Pretty sure it does. Seems like once you're young its strong, then as you go through adelesence (fuck my spelling im lazy) things develop and during 20s is when it becomes its strongest again.

[anndelise]

There is absolutely nothing about gathering and processing Fi+Ne info that necessarily leads to sainthood from birth. We learn, we grow, we expand our minds...well, most maturing people do. What do we learn from? Mistakes, ours or others. But it may take a while before we interpret something as having been a mistake or an error.

I call bs on the idea that an FiNe could never ever possibly do anything that could be construed or experienced as mean.

[Nico1e]

No, you haven't been mistyped, either. We don't know what exactly your situation was like with this kid. Maybe you had reason to believe that it wasn't that bad to tease him. There must have been a reason why, at first, it seemed okay, and then afterwards, it no longer seemed okay. Maybe he expressed hurt feelings, but only later on. Maybe he was laughing while it was happening. Maybe he even said something himself that seemed to encourage the teasing, and it was only afterwards that you realized it still wasn't okay. The situation would have been complicated and no, you could not have known in advance. You will make mistakes and that is normal.

[UDP]

...does your type become more prominent?

I ask this based on my own experience. In my freshman year of high school, I sat at a lunch table with three or four other people. We would all bully one kid who had a speech impediment, and for some reason I went along with it. I guess I figured it was all in good fun since he wasn't leaving the table.

But near the end of the year, I realized that what I was doing was completely dumb and wrong. I don't want anyone to think of me as a mean person. Does this have anything to do with my type, or is it completely separate, like a change in religion? The thing is, I haven't always thought this way. It's only now that I have really been trying to be the best person I can be.

People's feelings and choices in life become more clear over time.
I personally think one's type is always the same, but, one's confidence level, environment, and other factors - the interface, changes over time. You know more of what you want and how you want to deal with things with more experience.


Type can be clearer with older people sometimes, especially if they've basically stopped mentally growing, and just keep using their old, entrenched psychological habits.

[Radio]

My first best friend was a beta. Type isn't that big a deal in little kids.

My childhood best friend grew up to be SLE, so I can attest to this. We didn't really have many disagreements as children, but the type differences became more apparent as we neared puberty. I would presume that's when an autonomous sense of ego/self/type starts to develop.

[Beautiful sky]

Empathy in an EII type is innate, not learned or acquired. Still, props for working on improving yourself.

Empathy in everybody is innate (except psychopaths). Manifestation of which is learned/acquired.

That's not true because the LSE I know don't particularly like doing charity work, volunteering; they would rather donate $100 of their money than a minute of their time. That doesn't make them a psychopath.

Why do you think people commit charitable acts, because they feel for people who are suffering, because they want to help. These things wouldn't exist if you couldn't relate empathy with charity.

Tacknamay, based my understanding of EII, my type, I believe that a person of Fi type not only would learn to empathize with the persecuted person, but very likely never would have gotten involved in teasing the underdog in the first place. Empathy in an EII type is innate, not learned or acquired. Still, props for working on improving yourself.

So you think I might be mistyped because I teased him in the first place? Or am I misunderstanding you...

EDIT: Also, it's probably worth noting that I have multiple psychological problems such as ADHD, anxiety, depression, etc. So that may or may not make a difference.

EDIT x3: Also, I had an emotionally abusive step father. That also might have affected me, idk.

EDIT x2: To make it clear, the reason I'm confused is because who I am now is so different than who I was then. I mean, if you're self typing, should you judge based on how you think of yourself now, or how you have acted in the past?

And gee, this is becoming more and more about me, isn't it? Maybe I should change the title.

I can say that I'm very very sensitive to external emotional responses given off by objects/people. It would not be possible for me to engage in similar attempts without great amount of guilt. I can't even fathom myself in reenacting of the situation in my own mind...to see the impressions on the person from being treated so poorly, etc.

given the above points that you've made about the possibilities of you treating others outside and having removed your self from the equation based on your personal circumstances...I think an EII would further introvert into themselves. This person would be afraid to help others being afraid of being judged. I think if I came from a similar background, this is how I would be, further introverted and unengaged with people, repressed.

[InkStrider]

Empathy in everybody is innate (except psychopaths). Manifestation of which is learned/acquired.

That's not true because the LSE I know don't particularly like doing charity work, volunteering; they would rather donate $100 of their money than a minute of their time. That doesn't make them a psychopath.

Never have I said that I think LSEs who prefer to donate money rather than volunteering are psychopaths. Rather, that empathy is an impulse inherent in all human beings other than at the extremes of the mentally disordered. So long as a person is governed by conscience, he may be said to be capable of empathy, I think.

Anyway, you can't conclude much from only one LSE you happen to know. Whether one prefers donating money or contributing their time has more to do with what they can afford, the amount of free time they have, their priorities, the extent that they prefer/value either, as well as the level of fulfillment they experience from either choice.

FWIW, you're the second person in the forum to have so grossly misinterpreted what I write.

And gee, this is becoming more and more about me, isn't it? Maybe I should change the title.

It's good enough a title. Maritsa seems to place too rigid a criteria on what it means to be a type, that is all.

[Absurd]

Maritsa seems to place too rigid a criteria on what it means to be a type, that is all.

And you seem to be a masochist.

[UDP]

I know an LSE that created a nonprofit ZOMG

[InkStrider]

And you seem to be a masochist.

You are a difficult person to get along with.

[Reuben]

I'm almost 40

WHAT?! I thought you were 9... you lied to me

I'm still... growing

Ok a little better

Does this have anything to do with my type, or is it completely separate, like a change in religion?

Nope. There are many things that can change one's thinking and behaviour radically. As n1cole said, it could be due to puberty, or as delise suggests it could be due to maturity. Most of the time, we are also exposed to radically different people who's value and desires resonate our own, and they fully bring out our growth in these areas.

Once you grow past adolescenes and teenage years, your type becomes far more stable and pronounced. You will tend to attract people and events in your life that change your perception and thinking towards the ideals that you value. It may mean that you become more of a defined type, or not, but the implication is basically that if you dream long and hard enough, it will come true.

It's only now that I have really been trying to be the best person I can be.

I believe you've always wanted to be a great person, just that the desire was not so pronounced and distinct at a younger age. You will get a far sharper vision soon enough, and you will definitely become the best person you can be.

[Nico1e]

My first best friend was a beta. Type isn't that big a deal in little kids.

My childhood best friend grew up to be SLE, so I can attest to this. We didn't really have many disagreements as children, but the type differences became more apparent as we neared puberty. I would presume that's when an autonomous sense of ego/self/type starts to develop.

This also has something to do with how we perceive the passage of time, when we are children, and how we perceive the passage of time, when we are adults.

Imagine if you were a seven year old, and you had been best friends with somebody for two years, since you were five. Those two years would seem like a really, really long time. It would seem like you had known this person for almost your whole life. It would seem like forever.

If you were thirty years old, and you had been friends with someone since you were 28, it wouldn't seem like such a long time. Your perspective would be different.

It might take a couple of years for two people to notice that they are of incompatible types, especially when they are young and they haven't had many relationships before.

So (this is a strain for me to explain this idea that I had, be patient with me) if you're a kid, and you've been best friends 'forever' with somebody, and you gradually discover that they're incompatible with you, it's going to feel different than if you're an adult, you've had lots of past relationships, and you've known someone for a couple of years and have gradually realized you're incompatible with them.

So it may, or may not, have to do with entering puberty - or it might simply be, the number of years that you have spent together - and it just happened to be around the time of puberty, by coincidence. Sorry, hard to explain.

My old best friend seems sort of bossy, when I look back at her now. (This is my childhood friend, before age 8.) I'm not sure what type she was, but she always wanted to play 'school,' where she was the teacher and I was the student, and she would give me assignments to do, and I pretended to do them. I enjoyed it back then - it was sort of comforting - but I think I would feel a bit more rebellious about this as an adult.

[FDG]

My best friend in primary school was a clear SEE, and my first crush was ESI-Fi.

[Beautiful sky]

Never have I said that I think LSEs who prefer to donate money rather than volunteering are psychopaths. Rather, that empathy is an impulse inherent in all human beings other than at the extremes of the mentally disordered. So long as a person is governed by conscience, he may be said to be capable of empathy, I think.

Empathy is inherently due to the sensitiveness of the mimosa. The less sensitive types are less so inclined to empathy. It doesn't have anything to do with money, it has to do with one's time. Still the priority of an LSE is to rather not spend their time on something like this because they are oriented to Te...objective (money) orientation of giving.

Anyway, you can't conclude much from only one LSE you happen to know. Whether one prefers donating money or contributing their time has more to do with what they can afford, the amount of free time they have, their priorities, the extent that they prefer/value either, as well as the level of fulfillment they experience from either choice.

FWIW, you're the second person in the forum to have so grossly misinterpreted what I write.

It's not just ONE LSE, it's many.

[Absurd]

And you seem to be a masochist.

You are a difficult person to get along with.

Well yes, and I do not hide it. Any ethical advice on what should I change. You did it before.

And please, do be direct with me, that is, do not allude to someone without saying who this person is, vide your response to Maritsa. Passive-aggressive much? All in all, I think she is going to eat you for lunch seeing your prowess.

[InkStrider]

It's not just ONE LSE, it's many.

You said, "the LSE I know", which equals to one.

Empathy is inherently due to the sensitiveness of the mimosa. The less sensitive types are less so inclined to empathy.

What? Nevermind.

It doesn't have anything to do with money, it has to do with one's time. Still the priority of an LSE is to rather not spend their time on something like this because they are oriented to Te...objective (money) orientation of giving.

As I've said, whether a person choose to spend money or time/effort when it comes to charity work is dependent on many other factors.

You are a difficult person to get along with.

Well yes, and I do not hide it. Any ethical advice on what should I change. You did it before.

And please, do be direct with me, that is, do not allude to someone without saying who this person is, vide your response to Maritsa. Passive-aggressive much? All in all, I think she is going to eat you for lunch seeing your prowess.

I have no interest in imposing any ethical advice on anyone other than myself, and I am beginning to tire of clarifying myself to you when you are obviously intent on trolling and picking on me. Any more of this and I will place you on ignore. Don't take it personally.

Honestly, the both of you irritate me.

[Taknamay]

Mimosa