VI me?

[Phthalate]

Just curious as to what people would think of me:


Taken right now, doing lab shit.


This is my glamour shot, and often the pic that I use if I need to present myself. It's a good pic, but a bit misleading. This was about 2 years ago.


Picture of me and my dog that I've had requested by several people. I love this motherfucker. And yes, the room I took this picture in is my room, and it's even messier than it seems. This is about 6 months ago.


I'm the guy in the top left, wearing the blue long sleeve t-shirt. This is my closest group of friends, even though I moved away from this city 4 years ago. The group is now 1 person smaller than this picture, but it still holds.


I'm the guy in the back with the black t-shirt. I used to be in a band as a bass player. I've quit since then to focus on grad school, but I still look back on those years very fondly.

[Korpsy Knievel]

 

What I think is you posted this shit before. Same text and everything.

[Phthalate]

What I think is you posted this shit before. Same text and everything.

Yup, and although I asked several times for people to give me their input based on VI, they were recurring mainly to the questions I answered. After waiting for a while to hear back from someone regarding the question that I had asked, I decided to create a thread that is based primarily on VI.

Problem?

[Korpsy Knievel]

That's your cue to examine the limitations of utility inherent to phrenology in determining the habitual states of the brain beneath each lumpy skull.

[Krig the Viking]

My guess would be IEI. In every photo where we can see your eyes, your gaze appears distant, like your focus is on some line of thought in your head rather than your immediate physical environment. This points toward Intuition. Your general body language appears relaxed, somewhat loose and slouched, and not very "open" or active, pointing toward an IP temperament. This means an INxP type, i.e., Base Ni, which is supported by the messiness of your room (weak Si) and your general style of dress and fashion, which is a style I generally associate with Se/Ni valuing social environments.

This leaves the question of whether you are NiFe or NiTe. There aren't really sufficient clues in this limited number of photos to come to a definite conclusion, but the fairly unrestrained laughter you appear to be displaying in the second-last photo is certainly a display of Fe, and seems consistent with what I've seen from other IEIs.

[FDG]

I'd say introvert, perhaps introvert + perceiving. However your own self-description was at odds with this typing, so take it with a big grain of salt.

Krig: that is a big pindaric flight, it's kind of sick to see such rationalizations for a VI typing.

[Krig the Viking]

Krig: that is a big pindaric flight, it's kind of sick to see such rationalizations for a VI typing.

If I am decoding your oddly-worded sentence correctly, am I to understand that you're both skeptical and scornful of my ability extract large amounts of information from a small amount of evidence?

[rat1]

Im guessing INFj

[Korpsy Knievel]

Claiming that laughing unrestrainedly is characteristic of Fe is ridiculously parochial.

[Krig the Viking]

Claiming that laughing unrestrainedly is characteristic of Fe is ridiculously parochial.

Laughter, being indicative of one's internal dynamic state, is by definition an expression of Fe. An ILI, with insecure Vulnerable Fe, is much less likely to strongly express his emotional state than an IEI, who has confident Creative Fe. However, "much less likely" is not the same as "impossible", which is why I can't rule out ILI entirely, especially based on such a limited amount of evidence.

[Phthalate]

especially based on such a limited amount of evidence.

If more pictures are needed then:











Thanks everyone who has posted so far! I'm very curious at the reasoning behind VI typing, especially when applied to me .

If needed, I can create a video... I just wonder what the hell to talk about .

[Korpsy Knievel]

Laughter, being indicative of one's internal dynamic state, is by definition an expression of Fe. An ILI, with insecure Vulnerable Fe, is much less likely to strongly express his emotional state than an IEI, who has confident Creative Fe. However, "much less likely" is not the same as "impossible", which is why I can't rule out ILI entirely, especially based on such a limited amount of evidence.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. Even better that you decided that Fe-valuing is highly probable based on a single photo showing definite expression among four* others that don't. I'm also curious if you think ILI disinclination toward demonstrativeness is axiomatic or if it softens in the presence of good/familiar company or under conditions that evoke pronounced, spontaneous responses.

[Trevor]

If needed, I can create a video...

That would be very nice. We don't promise anything, though.

[Krig the Viking]

Thanks for reinforcing my point. Even better that you decided that Fe-valuing is highly probable based on a single photo showing definite expression among three others that don't. I'm also curious if you think ILI disinclination toward demonstrativeness is axiomatic or if it softens in the presence of good/familiar company or under conditions that evoke pronounced, spontaneous responses.

When exactly did I say "highly probable"? At best my certainty level was somewhere around 50%. I even specifically pointed out the speculative nature of my reasoning on the Fe/Te issue. I know it's difficult for you Ni types to process the habit we Ne types have of holding competing alternate possibilities in mind without immediately adopting one or the other as true, but could you at least try to improve your basic reading comprehension?

Jorge: The new photos have increased my certainty that you're an INxP type, but decreased my certainty as to which one you are. Could go either way, really.

[pianosinger]

So, I have NO IDEA what BulletsandDoves looks like, but for some reason when I have tried to picture him in the past, you look much like how I have pictured him. If that even means anything. Which it probably doesn't, since in all likelihood BnD looks completely different than you do. But, there you go. Based on this very vague (and possibly wrong) impression, I will guess IEI for now.

[Korpsy Knievel]

When exactly did I say "highly probable"?

It's implied in your decision that 20% > 50% by deciding Fe is more likely than Te on the basis of 1 of 5* photos where expression ("laughter, being indicative of one's internal dynamic state, is by definition an expression of Fe") was displayed.

At best my certainty level was somewhere around 50%. I even specifically pointed out the speculative nature of my reasoning on the Fe/Te issue.

Rest assured I took note of your qualifications along with your bad math.

I know it's difficult for you Ni types to process the habit we Ne types have of holding competing alternate possibilities in mind without immediately adopting one or the other as true, but could you at least try to improve your basic reading comprehension?

Thanks for the hearty laugh, fellow ILI, I also juggle various possibilities while making my calculations. Oh, and you forget to answer my other question before puffing yourself up. Kindly do so.

[Anglas]

I agree with all.

[Korpsy Knievel]

I agree with all.

I may try that method someday myself. Is it fun?

[Anglas]

I agree with all.

I may try that method someday myself. Is it fun?

Yeah, it's amazing. I think it's more interesting than watching esc and maritsa posts combined. Although I don't think you have enough experience to try this method all by yourself. So next time you see me online ask me to teach you or order special esc dvd.

[mu4]

Chill with the pointless posts and comments directed towards the OP.

Also when someone gives out a guess, it's just that, a guess, not a conclusion.

Korpsey, you're getting warned because you spent more time trying to attack Krig's intelligence and making pointless comments on the OP instead of making a assessment.

Stop trolling and bullying posters.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Korpsey, you're getting warned because you spent more time trying to attack Krig's intelligence and making pointless comments on the OP instead of making a assessment.

So does this mean you agree that 20% > 50?

[Gilly]

SEI?

[Gilly]

baaahahahaha hkkmr is a fag

[mu4]

Korpsey, you're getting warned because you spent more time trying to attack Krig's intelligence and making pointless comments on the OP instead of making a assessment.

So does this mean you agree that 20% > 50?

Pointless question, because probability was never indicated. How many of those pictures indicate logical BTW? What's the probability of that?

Let's assume it's 1 picture ethical and he saw 0 picture logical and 4 pictures ambigious, why can't he guess it's ethical.

80% ambiguous doesn't mean he can't make a guess.

[mu4]

baaahahahaha hkkmr is a fag

I know right!

So faggy, I make B&D look straight.

Anyways, proud to be here and policing you guys.

[FDG]

SEI?

Yeah that's a plausible type, even though his self-description was all about his intellectual interests - I don't know, though, if that may be related to enneagram or just purely personal inclination.

[Krig the Viking]

When exactly did I say "highly probable"?

It's implied in your decision that 25% > 50% by deciding Fe is more likely than Te on the basis of 1 of 4 photos where expression ("laughter, being indicative of one's internal dynamic state, is by definition an expression of Fe") was displayed.

*Sigh*, this always happens when I try to argue with Ni types -- I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you trying to say that you think I arrived at the conclusion that Jorge is an Fe type by counting the number of photos in which he is laughing? Or mocking me for not doing that? Either way it's absurd -- my conclusion was based on my impression of the average degree of emotion displayed in the photos, which was raised due to the high degree of emotion displayed in the "laughing" photo. My certainty level was low (only 50%) because I was aware that the limited number of photos meant that one or two "uncharacteristic" photos could be throwing off my estimation of the average considerably.

Rest assured I took note of your qualifications along with your bad math.

I know it's difficult for you Ni types to process the habit we Ne types have of holding competing alternate possibilities in mind without immediately adopting one or the other as true, but could you at least try to improve your basic reading comprehension?

Thanks for the hearty laugh, fellow ILI, I also juggle various possibilities while making my calculations. Oh, and you forget to answer my other question before puffing yourself up. Kindly do so.

Ok, ok, you got me there, ILIs do suspend judgement. But what I'm trying to get at is that there is a major difference in the way in which LIIs and ILIs go about dealing with uncertainty, which makes mutual understanding on such subjects difficult. From what I can see, an ILI might suspend judgement until he sees how things develop and further evidence comes in, but rarely tries to use what he sees as currently inconclusive evidence to weigh the alternate possibilities and arrive at a loosely-held conclusion as to which one is more likely.

Consequently, an ILI is likely to see an LII's speculative conclusions as being overly hasty and even a sign of hubris, underestimating how loosely the LII holds his opinions.

As for your other question, I assumed it was rhetorical. Obviously, any type will feel less restricted in the use of its Vulnerable function when in a "safe" environment. But that doesn't mean that an Fe-PoLR is going to suddenly start acting like an Fe-Ego just because he's among friends. If 25% of a subjects photos show him laughing heartily in a manner reminiscent of an IEI, then it's unlikely he's an ILI. Of course, since 4 photos is not nearly enough to be certain of such trends, any conclusions based on such limited data are necessarily uncertain, as I explained in my initial post.

[Edit: Oh, hi hkkmr. Do you want us to stop this increasingly pointless debate?]

[Krig the Viking]

[Edit: Oh, hi hkkmr. Do you want us to stop this increasingly pointless debate?]

Why not just split it into it's own thread? I thought the debate was worthwhile, it just doesn't necessarily need to be in this thread.

Eh, I have to admit, I'm on the verge of moving on and doing something else. My poor Vulnerable Se gets stressed out by this style of confrontational discourse.

[Korpsy Knievel]

So does this mean you agree that 20% > 50?

Pointless question, because probability was never indicated. How many of those pictures indicate logical BTW? What's the probability of that?

Let's assume it's 1 picture ethical and he saw 0 picture logical and 4 pictures ambigious, why can't he guess it's ethical.

80% ambiguous doesn't mean he can't make a guess.

It's odd how questioning my methodology was quite kosher in Hydrangea's thread yet it's undesirable now.

[mu4]

It's odd how questioning my methodology was quite kosher in Hydrangea's thread yet it's undesirable now.

The warning is also about your first post.

 

What I think is you posted this shit before. Same text and everything.

Stop trolling and bullying.

[rat1]

Chill with the pointless posts and comments directed towards the OP.

Also when someone gives out a guess, it's just that, a guess, not a conclusion.

Korpsey, you're getting warned because you spent more time trying to attack Krig's intelligence and making pointless comments on the OP instead of making a assessment.

Stop trolling and bullying posters.

Thank god.. we have a mod capable of thinking

[Absurd]

You once said you're going to ban everyone who does that, hkkmr. What happened?

I'm not thinking about korpsey specifically, for he will ban himself again. So it is pretty pointless to ban him. Gamma drama.

[Korpsy Knievel]

It's odd how questioning my methodology was quite kosher in Hydrangea's thread yet it's undesirable now.

The warning is also about your first post.

 

What I think is you posted this shit before. Same text and everything.

Stop trolling and bullying.

Taken right now, doing lab shit.

Picture of me and my dog that I've had requested by several people. I love this motherfucker.

 

OP explicitly contains shit, plus a motherfucker. I only made reference to the former, not the latter.

*Sigh*, this always happens when I try to argue with Ni types -- I have no idea what you're talking about.

In that case let's hang out more often, bro. Say, I thought you were supposed to have strong demonstrative Ni.

Are you trying to say that you think I arrived at the conclusion that Jorge is an Fe type by counting the number of photos in which he is laughing?

Your sample base was five photos, of which you declared one returned a positive result for Fe as per your definition. 1:50 = 20% positive, 4:5 = 80% negative. Now If base-Ni is assumed such that IEI>ILI is the resulting best guess, with no other alternative given, then the probability it's assigned is >50%. So according to your argument as it was presented that leaves us with a spread of more than 30% between the Fe-positive evidence and your tentative IEI>ILI hypothesis. This is certainly a rather unsophisticated calculation but reading what you've said it could be regarded as a faulty inference drawn from induction. Also poor arithmetic.

Ok, ok, you got me there, ILIs do suspend judgement. But what I'm trying to get at is that there is a major difference in the way in which LIIs and ILIs go about dealing with uncertainty, which makes mutual understanding on such subjects difficult.

I think it stems from giving greater weight to a priori versus a posteriori knowledge.

Obviously, any type will feel less restricted in the use of its Vulnerable function when in a "safe" environment. But that doesn't mean that an Fe-PoLR is going to suddenly start acting like an Fe-Ego just because he's among friends.

That's a bit of an absurd reduction, but it doesn't preclude an Fe-polr loosening up or even getting into a cheery group vibe in certain circumstances.

If 25% of a subjects photos show him laughing heartily in a manner reminiscent of an IEI, then it's unlikely he's an ILI.

So if he were laughing in 4 of 5 photos he'd be an Fe-polr? I suspect you mean something else. However, remember that your first guess was IEI>ILI, not IEI>ILI>SEI>SLE>... Call it hair splitting but I'm just working with what you've said. At the same time, what if he's laughing heartily in the manner of an ILI? Do you believe they're capable of such a thing? And is there a quantifiable difference from one type to the other when responding with unbridled mirth, one that we can positively identify?

[Edit: Oh, hi hkkmr. Do you want us to stop this increasingly pointless debate?]

Oh, hi hkkmr. I'm always glad to continue these rasslin' matches in other threads if doing so is regarded as disruptive where they've originated. In a show of good sportsmanship I'll even warm my hands and give fair warning before attempting any reach-arounds.

[Absurd]

You VI abit like my 8 yr old ILE cousin, so thats my guess. If it's anything, Im getting an alpha vibe from you and your friends.

That's what I thought as well first, but I can be wrong. I'm knot korpsey, apparently...

[rat1]

baaahahahaha hkkmr is a fag

 

Whatever gilly, k0rpsey is a sadistic creep and needs to be chained to a wall. I know you find him hilarious, you like his insults and derangement; like drama and to stir shit up; probably like his directness and at times he can be insightful, but korpsey is also about tying you down to a chair, raping you in the ass / suffocating you while sticking a knife into your side and then dumping you into a river. It's like that dude who fucked a cat then drowned it and threw it into the woods, even if it's hilarious he's really a sick fuck and you should have the spine to acknowledge that.

[mu4]

You once said you're going to ban everyone who does that, hkkmr. What happened?

I'm not thinking about korpsey specifically, for he will ban himself again. So it is pretty pointless to ban him. Gamma drama.

I don't know. I'm alpha, I want people to like me, I want to spread love and not hate. I'm a pussy.

But I did ban Korpsey from this thread for continuing to troll the OP.

[Reuben]

I'm a pussy

Um yum. How much do you cost

[Beautiful sky]

SLI

[Absurd]

Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy

Hey Ashton, didn't know you dabble in informal logic.

[Phthalate]

Lol at the drama in this thread... is there any thread in this forum that doesn't have people at each other's throat, in a non-kinky way? Of course... that's according to my standards. I expect people to be wearing BDSM attire and chain whips.

Nevertheless, thanks for your actions hkkmr. While I don't mind reading two people debate, I don't care too much about people who derail my thread over petty arguments, especially when they weren't here initially to push forward the thread and are just being idiots. I know that VI is not the most specific and thorough method to type someone, but it is an interesting and fun one. I appreciate Krig The viking's comments too, and I appreciate he explaining his reasoning .


It's interesting so far that there's not a visible pattern other than me being an introvert (except for one person). The concensus seems to lead to people think that I'm either ILI, or some type of Fe-valuing type.

Strangely, you guys have touched upon EACH single type that I've considered the most... IEI, ILI, ILE, SLI... good job!

And now I want more comments!