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    I kind of feel like people dig a hole with themselves with this.

    On one hand, somebody can be just a general irritable asshole and blame it on their type, because yeah LIE *is* the quintessential 'business asshole type.' On another... people can make excuses for people who are rude, or in general are just trying really hard to hurt people's feelings because of their own issues. It would be like saying 'I'm IEI so I can't get a real job.' when really the person is just lazy or using social fear as an excuse to not try to better themselves.

    and well bettering yourself, goes both ways. You can better yourself or you can better how you treat other people, which is in turn the same thing I think.

    Also a lot of it is the person was just being an asshole and then it's like people were making excuses for the person... people should be more brave and stand up to assholeness when they see it but I also realize that life isn't a corny afterschool tv special. It has to be natural but it would be nice to see more people not tolerate douchebaggeryness.

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    INFPs are like INTPS; they make great friends material, but I wouldn't date them.

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    As friends and co-workers. This was posted in one of the VK groups by Danil Barabanov:


    "The relations of revision are perhaps even more unfortunate than conflict relations due to inequality of partners. The supervisor pressures the painful function of the supervisee, and the severity of this pressure is at its maximum: 4D business logic of Jack London (LIE) is rather unpleasant for Esenin (IEI).

    During the initial phase of relations, the LIE will seem to the IEI as a kind of a "guru". He easily accomplishes that which the IEI attains with great difficulty: the LIE quickly grasps, optimizes, and improves the algorithms of actions and activities, he adeptly identifies existing patterns and reaps advantages from them. His practicality, energy, and drive for activity will all seem impressive to the IEI. At the same time that which the IEI is able to do well, the LIE also doesn't do too poorly. Jack's intuition of time Ni is not as good as Esenin's. This is the ability to feel the flow of events, to discern when it's better to act and when to relax and stand down, and the ability to distribute periods of exertion over time. This constitutes Jack's creative function, not his program one, but the difference in one dimension is not so significant and striking (at least initially). Same applies to ethics of emotions Fe, which is role function of Jack and creative function for Esenin. Jack is able to generate emotions and create moods, charge others with his energy and positivism, though he doesn't do this as regularly as skillfully as Esenin. However, once again initially it will seem that Jack copes well with this function.

    In the beginning, the IEI will seem to the LIE as a "good guy/gal", but somewhat poorly adapted to life. After all, LIE's most important value is "logic of actions" Te: he perceives everything around him through this aspect. The LIE will faithfully attempt to teach and instruct the IEI on what he should do and how it should be done. At first the IEI will try to follow LIE's advice, but he will hardly be able to make it work. Discussions on "logic of actions" will also be highly unpleasant for Esenin - this is not his subject. Constant pressures on the painful function distract him from his contemplation, plans, and daydreams in his free time (intuition of time), inhibit him from creating the right setting or recalling in and re-experiencing valuable to him impressions, and drag him out into the sphere where he is uncomfortable, where he knows very little, and where he doesn't feel at ease. The LIE doesn't notice this. He feels that he is teaching only his best, tried-and-tested experience, most technologically sound methods, something that should improve the life of Esenin. The list of algorithms that the LIE can offer to the IEI is indeed extensive: from how to do his work more efficiently to how to position furniture in a room.

    The worst case scenario of development of these relations is a situation where LIE and IEI are colleagues at work. The LIE will very quickly dismiss all working methods of the IEI, then he will begin to analyze and assess his performance and the total benefit he brings for the team (company, community, organization). At this point he will notice that the IEI is a person of his internal states and this affects the outcome of his work. After this the LIE will try to get rid of the IEI - push him out of the team, transfer him to another department, or assign many unpleasant duties, thereby plunging him into work until he gives out.

    In cases when LIE and IEI have common interests (and preferably aren't working together), if the IEI's patience endures and the LIE has enough sense to not discuss topics pertaining to Te, then they can establish a relationship and remain on friendly terms. This is quite possible, especially during periods when they are both relaxing and taking it easy, as this will limit the focus on logic of actions and enable the IEI to express his ethics of emotions and role sensing of experiences (which, to a limited extent, is pleasant for Jack). Jack and Esenin can have a good time talking about general topics, their ideas and daydreams. The IEI is able to create the right atmosphere that slows down the flow of time that will allow the LIE to take a break from his typically busy schedule.

    But one should not forget that the LIE will always have Te as his program function, and the IEI will never be able to change it from being his vulnerable one."
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    I just got done watching the first Expendables movie. The relationship between the warlord dude (IEI) and the business-y guy in the suit (LIE) seemed to be a good representation of LIE-IEI supervision. The LIE kept reminding the warlord dude that him and his army couldn't make it without him and his money and you can easily see the warlord dude's powerlessness against the LIE, even in spite of him being in command of an army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    As friends and co-workers. This was posted in one of the VK groups by Danil Barabanov:


    "The relations of revision are perhaps even more unfortunate than conflict relations due to inequality of partners. The supervisor pressures the painful function of the supervisee, and the severity of this pressure is at its maximum: 4D business logic of Jack London (LIE) is rather unpleasant for Esenin (IEI).

    During the initial phase of relations, the LIE will seem to the IEI as a kind of a "guru". He easily accomplishes that which the IEI attains with great difficulty: the LIE quickly grasps, optimizes, and improves the algorithms of actions and activities, he adeptly identifies existing patterns and reaps advantages from them. His practicality, energy, and drive for activity will all seem impressive to the IEI. At the same time that which the IEI is able to do well, the LIE also doesn't do too poorly. Jack's intuition of time Ni is not as good as Esenin's. This is the ability to feel the flow of events, to discern when it's better to act and when to relax and stand down, and the ability to distribute periods of exertion over time. This constitutes Jack's creative function, not his program one, but the difference in one dimension is not so significant and striking (at least initially). Same applies to ethics of emotions Fe, which is role function of Jack and creative function for Esenin. Jack is able to generate emotions and create moods, charge others with his energy and positivism, though he doesn't do this as regularly as skillfully as Esenin. However, once again initially it will seem that Jack copes well with this function.

    In the beginning, the IEI will seem to the LIE as a "good guy/gal", but somewhat poorly adapted to life. After all, LIE's most important value is "logic of actions" Te: he perceives everything around him through this aspect. The LIE will faithfully attempt to teach and instruct the IEI on what he should do and how it should be done. At first the IEI will try to follow LIE's advice, but he will hardly be able to make it work. Discussions on "logic of actions" will also be highly unpleasant for Esenin - this is not his subject. Constant pressures on the painful function distract him from his contemplation, plans, and daydreams in his free time (intuition of time), inhibit him from creating the right setting or recalling in and re-experiencing valuable to him impressions, and drag him out into the sphere where he is uncomfortable, where he knows very little, and where he doesn't feel at ease. The LIE doesn't notice this. He feels that he is teaching only his best, tried-and-tested experience, most technologically sound methods, something that should improve the life of Esenin. The list of algorithms that the LIE can offer to the IEI is indeed extensive: from how to do his work more efficiently to how to position furniture in a room.

    The worst case scenario of development of these relations is a situation where LIE and IEI are colleagues at work. The LIE will very quickly dismiss all working methods of the IEI, then he will begin to analyze and assess his performance and the total benefit he brings for the team (company, community, organization). At this point he will notice that the IEI is a person of his internal states and this affects the outcome of his work. After this the LIE will try to get rid of the IEI - push him out of the team, transfer him to another department, or assign many unpleasant duties, thereby plunging him into work until he gives out.

    In cases when LIE and IEI have common interests (and preferably aren't working together), if the IEI's patience endures and the LIE has enough sense to not discuss topics pertaining to Te, then they can establish a relationship and remain on friendly terms. This is quite possible, especially during periods when they are both relaxing and taking it easy, as this will limit the focus on logic of actions and enable the IEI to express his ethics of emotions and role sensing of experiences (which, to a limited extent, is pleasant for Jack). Jack and Esenin can have a good time talking about general topics, their ideas and daydreams. The IEI is able to create the right atmosphere that slows down the flow of time that will allow the LIE to take a break from his typically busy schedule.

    But one should not forget that the LIE will always have Te as his program function, and the IEI will never be able to change it from being his vulnerable one."
    I would like to point out that this is all very accurate, in my experience anyway.
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    Well my LIE-Te (so/sx 7w6) roommate's boyfriend has turned out to be IEI-Fe (sx/sp 9w8). This is so interesting to watch.

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    Damn, @silke. I remember reading your post on Barabanov’s article when you first posted it, but I had forgotten how true it was. It mirrors precisely my relationship with an IEI-Fe.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting that and clarifying things for me.
    Now I need to tone down my Te in favor of her Fe and Ni, which won’t be easy, since Te is what I do best.

    I wish I could introduce her to an SLE-Ti friend of mine who shares some of her interests, but your article says that my attempts to help her are not her solution.
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    revisor relations are easier in romance and bussines than conflict

    > Same applies to ethics of emotions Fe, which is role function of Jack and creative function for Esenin.

    joke

    the thing of conflict IR - they give the most interesting experience as it's the most different people. would be useful to find ways to feel good in them, to establish prodictive cooperation of strong parts of people
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    In the beginning, the IEI will seem to the LIE as a "good guy/gal", but somewhat poorly adapted to life. After all, LIE's most important value is "logic of actions" Te: he perceives everything around him through this aspect. The LIE will faithfully attempt to teach and instruct the IEI on what he should do and how it should be done. At first the IEI will try to follow LIE's advice, but he will hardly be able to make it work. Discussions on "logic of actions" will also be highly unpleasant for Esenin - this is not his subject. Constant pressures on the painful function distract him from his contemplation, plans, and daydreams in his free time (intuition of time), inhibit him from creating the right setting or recalling in and re-experiencing valuable to him impressions, and drag him out into the sphere where he is uncomfortable, where he knows very little, and where he doesn't feel at ease. The LIE doesn't notice this. He feels that he is teaching only his best, tried-and-tested experience, most technologically sound methods, something that should improve the life of Esenin. The list of algorithms that the LIE can offer to the IEI is indeed extensive: from how to do his work more efficiently to how to position furniture in a room
    Yep.

    Needless to say, I'm not allowed at my moms house anymore thanks to her LIE boyfriend, and my EII sister has been following his business advice for years and works for him part time. He says my sister actually listens to him and tries hard, whereas he was always criticizing me for "living in my head".
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    The list of algorithms that the LIE can offer to the IEI is indeed extensive: from how to do his work more efficiently to how to position furniture in a room.
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