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Thread: Alan Watts

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    "I have suggested that behind almost all myth lies the mono-plot of the game of hide-and-seek."

    "The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."

    "So in this idea, then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality. Not God in a politically kingly sense, but God in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you're all that, only you're pretending you're not. And it's perfectly OK to pretend you're not, to be perfectly convinced, because this is the whole notion of drama."

    "It must be obvious... that there is a contradiction in wanting to be perfectly secure in a universe whose very nature is momentariness and fluidity."

    "There is no formula for generating the authentic warmth of love. It cannot be copied. You cannot talk yourself into it or rouse it by straining at the emotions or by dedicating yourself solemnly to the service of mankind. Everyone has love, but it can only come out when he is convinced of the impossibility and the frustration of trying to love himself. This conviction will not come through condemnations, through hating oneself, through calling self love bad names in the universe. It comes only in the awareness that one has no self to love."

    "Camus said there is only really one serious philosophical question, which is whether or not to commit suicide. I think there are four or five serious philosophical questions:
    The first one is: Who started it?
    The second is: Are we going to make it?
    The third is: Where are we going to put it?
    The fourth is: Who's going to clean up?
    And the fifth: Is it serious?"

    "Religion is always falling apart."

    "Ego is a social institution with no physical reality. The ego is simply your symbol of yourself. Just as the word "water" is a noise that symbolizes a certain liquid without being it, so too the idea of ego symbolizes the role you play, who you are, but it is not the same as your living organism."

    "The prevalent sensation of oneself as a separate ego enclosed in a bag of skin is a hallucination which accords neither with Western science nor with the experimental philosophy-religions of the East — in particular the central and germinal Vedanta philosophy of Hinduism."

    "This is the real secret of life -- to be completely engaged with what you are doing in the here and now. And instead of calling it work, realize it is play."

    "I am amazed that Congressmen can pass a bill imposing severe penalties on anyone who burns the American flag, whereas they are responsible for burning that for which the flag stands: the United States as a territory, as a people, and as a biological manifestation. That is an example of our perennial confusion of symbols with realities."

    "Zen ... does not confuse spirituality with thinking about God while one is peeling potatoes. Zen spirituality is just to peel the potatoes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    ENTj.
    Could you at least provide some inkling of your thought process?

    My impression based on the video was SEI based on his obvious appreciation of nature and relative dislike for things unnatural and/or rigid and limiting of free expression. I also know he was a big proponent of (the external trappings of) Zen which is basically an philosophy.

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    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.

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    lots of Si

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    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.

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    I like what I'm hearing from him, a lot. Sounds very similar to philosophies I've come up with, or at least very compatible philosophies; like the entirety of the universe is a system of ordered chaos where everything is in constant, unimpeded motion. Seems very Vortical-Synergetic, if cognitive styles have any merit to them. I also like the cadence of his voice a lot. It all gives me Te vibes, but not much else.

    Fucking love his sideburns too.
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    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

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    It's pretty cool

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    Hmm, actually I'm seeing a lot of now. (Look at 7:00 in the second video.) Maybe SLI? He certainly seems > though.

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    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.

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    Idk much about the cognition styles, but I get strong Gamma NT vibes. subtype comes through. His way of loose philosophizing and exploration of ideas, at least from how I interpret it, seems rather similar to how I go abouts it, restating general statements, working with concepts and branching off, staring at fields and crap, which is interesting, but his means seems more , reminds me of how a lot of Gamma NTs surmise ideas I would generally ignore or see no value in, due to their uh, subjective or over-generalizing roots, perhaps is the word (roots being a hint to , which has no means to be applied other than to a large general concept, not one that is general as a means to application, if that makes sense.)

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    lol look at 9:20 in the second video. How can you not see the there? I'm going to go with SLI for now.

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    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Idk much about the cognition styles, but I get strong Gamma NT vibes. subtype comes through. His way of loose philosophizing and exploration of ideas, at least from how I interpret it, seems rather similar to how I go abouts it, restating general statements, working with concepts and branching off, staring at fields and crap, which is interesting, but his means seems more , reminds me of how a lot of Gamma NTs surmise ideas I would generally ignore or see no value in, due to their uh, subjective or over-generalizing roots, perhaps is the word (roots being a hint to , which has no means to be applied other than to a large general concept, not one that is general as a means to application, if that makes sense.)
    The philosophizing and conceptualizing is a combination of and , but there is a very concrete aspect to what he's saying; in fact he is arguing against experiencing the world through abstractions.

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    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.

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    LIE-Te so/sp 1w9

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    Goes deep in order to search an answer. ego type with strong / .


    Lots of themes (fields, streams etc) with some to back it up. Fits well with Jung's description of a crank.
    From me one can not demand and expect:
    • practicality of ideas;
    • punctuality and diligence;
    • consistency and completeness;
    • constant order in the home and in the workplace;
    • quality of routine work;
    • soft skills to adapt to the interlocutor.


    Anal Expulsive personality (no hyphens for you)

    So called false dual logic that actually reveals some remote potentials:
    "sure crocodiles can fly, but very, very close to the ground"
    Just think about it.

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    ESTJ would be my guess, he reminds me of Hugh Laurie

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    ILE was my tentative impression based on the samples of his talks I've heard in psytrance and the lecture he gave on technology -- the way he explored abstractions was a little more concrete than what I'd expect from, say, an Ni-ego -- but at this point I'm not certain he's not just a more grounded LIE. VI is a little ambiguous.
    Mortal, mortal, what would you
    With that beauty once was yours?
    Perishable is the dew,
    And the dust endures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    ILE was my tentative impression based on the samples of his talks I've heard in psytrance and the lecture he gave on technology -- the way he explored abstractions was a little more concrete than what I'd expect from, say, an Ni-ego -- but at this point I'm not certain he's not just a more grounded LIE. VI is a little ambiguous.
    I think I agree with you. Alpha seems almost certain. But he was far more on the intellectual side than the emotional-experiential side of it. Like when he's talking about how to meditate he goes off on a tangent about what the word "think" means lol. Here is a great interview with his daughter that gives more insight on his strengths and weaknesses:



    Describes him as "fun, playful, creative"
    Wrote a lot, starting at 15
    She says he loved the philosophy but didn't practice it (Buddhism or anything else).
    Instead he "loved to bring knowledge in and put it out there" This is characteristically ILE. He also had lots of friends and contacts from many different cultures, he was very in touch with the world.

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    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.

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