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    Default LIE-ENTj modes: angry and aggressive vs. friendly and easy-going

    I noticed that LIEs tend to switch between these modes depending at the situation their in. I'm aware that other types do this, it's just more notable and common among LIEs. Like they can be friendly/easy-going at a party with some strangers. However if some other people do something to cross them they'll go to angry/aggressive mode if need be. Anyone else notice this particular behavior?
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    You mean the Je/Pi pole? Or just some unrelated psychological tendencies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Sure, I do that. Why would I want to be different?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Yeah, I'm like that. What of it?
    I just wanted to know if it was a specific personality trait of LIEs from what I've noticed or if its something that can be more universally applied to other types.

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    You mean the Je/Pi pole? Or just some unrelated psychological tendencies?
    It may be the Je/Pi pole come to think of it as all ExxJ types can behave that way OR it can be an unrelated psychological tendency of only LIEs to behave that way. Actually, it's basically the point of this thread.
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    What exactly is the alternative to this?
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    My self typed LIE sister is like that. It's like she has a switch and she turns it on. It always seems so fake to me. Her indignity also seems pretty contrived. I always giver her a hard time when she gets like that. Mainly because I'm testing to see if its real or just to prove her wrong.

    I have an LIE friend who does that too. With him I dont mind it as much because it at least seems somewhat authentic but it always seems to be directed at me or whoever he is directly interacting with it also seems that he never has good reason for being in his angry/aggressive mode either. I'm pretty sure he has some serious psychological issues though so I don't hold too much against him... I suspect its related to Se-mobilizing but I'm not for sure.

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    It takes a lot for me to get aggressive as I've become older since I've learned how to channel it into different mediums. When I'm stressed, that's a different story. I can easily bounce from energetic to aggressive in a heartbeat. I usually stay away from situations like that though. I haven't been in a fight for the past 6 years so I'm not going to try to find one anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    -valuing, -valuing, and master of neither?
    Probably more related to Te and Fe (the latter being more used in a social atmosphere...but reverting back to the harsher Te sometimes), I def. don't feel like I'm exterting any effort when behaving like that - which I kinda do when I have to deal with Fi-Se stuff.

    I have an LIE friend who does that too. With him I dont mind it as much because it at least seems somewhat authentic but it always seems to be directed at me or whoever he is directly interacting with it also seems that he never has good reason for being in his angry/aggressive mode either. I'm pretty sure he has some serious psychological issues though so I don't hold too much against him... I suspect its related to Se-mobilizing but I'm not for sure.
    Eh, just to clarify, I'm not speaking about a bipolar mania with wild mood swings and ranting quarrels. Just a slight switch between friendly a a bit confrontational.
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    This sounds like normal behavior to me... if someone crosses me of course I'm going to be annoyed and maybe give them a sharp comment back. It's also natural for me to be friendlier with certain people I know better or like better. What is the alternative to being like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    I have an LIE friend who does that too. With him I dont mind it as much because it at least seems somewhat authentic but it always seems to be directed at me or whoever he is directly interacting with it also seems that he never has good reason for being in his angry/aggressive mode either. I'm pretty sure he has some serious psychological issues though so I don't hold too much against him... I suspect its related to Se-mobilizing but I'm not for sure.
    Eh, just to clarify, I'm not speaking about a bipolar mania with wild mood swings and ranting quarrels. Just a slight switch between friendly a a bit confrontational.
    Haha thats not really what I meant. He isnt out of control when he gets into that mode, he pretty much acts in the same way my sister does. Except he may attack me for not being factually accurate or I might say something that would be seen as weird if I'm talking to an acquaintance but not with a friend yet, nonetheless he will probably blow it out of proportion and give me shit about it. Other than being really insecure he is depressed and I think he might have NPD. He has gotten a lot better over the past two years so I can actually get along with him pretty well now.

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    What you describe is called "cocaine"

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    There is a lot of confirmation bias in this thread. That is, there are many self-typed LIE's saying that they agree to this mentality, yet there seem to be few considering any alternatives: that any representative of a given type could behave this way, since it seems to be normal human behaviour to act aggressively in an aggressive situation, or, as the OP posted, "if need be."

    There is more to personality than sociotype. By the way, probably 70-80% of the shit that is asked of it "Is it type-related" is not type-related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    There is a lot of confirmation bias in this thread. That is, there are many self-typed LIE's saying that they agree to this mentality, yet there seem to be few considering any alternatives: that any representative of a given type could behave this way, since it seems to be normal human behaviour to act aggressively in an aggressive situation, or, as the OP posted, "if need be."
    Well, that was the question. I agree that this behavior seems pretty normal and ubiquitous. Perhaps there's a specific quirk that Traveler wanted to talk about i.e. maybe a particularly sudden change.
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    Strativeyeska wrote about this in her description of LIEs under , the role function; "either he plays the role of a cheerful and joyful person, or he is contsantly angry, but he cannot fool his dual" or something along those lines.

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    Isn't everybody like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Isn't everybody like that?
    Not necessarily. I'm sure every type is friendly or angry at times. However, with LIEs it stands out as their two primary roles. Other types may exhibit different states of mind such as IEE may change from business-like/polite to friendly/goofy, which is not the same thing as how LIEs would behave. I think every type has their modes, but their modes are unique and not the same.
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    I know a probable LIE who does this. I think the aggressive phase tends towards an air of authority, complete w/ giving unexplained orders and the like. The easygoing LIE will be kind and polite, but not highly excitable in a positive way, as say, an IEE would be. Also, the Easygoing/Aggressive thing clearly doesn't apply to everyone. Many people would be better described by Playful/Fearful, Polite/Indignant, or any number of adjective/adjective combinations.

    The Te-base Fe-role combination seems like a good explanation, which brings up two questions:
    1) Does anyone notice LSEs, the other Te-base type, doing the same thing?
    2) Does each type do something analogous, based on their particular base and role functions?

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    Good point -- an LIE displaying above behavior may not actually feel angry or aggressive. Actually, come to think about it, an such an LIE once told me "I'm not angry, I'm being functional." Still, it comes off much differently than, say, an LII in an emotionless state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumer1an View Post
    My self typed LIE sister is like that. It's like she has a switch and she turns it on. It always seems so fake to me. Her indignity also seems pretty contrived. I always giver her a hard time when she gets like that. Mainly because I'm testing to see if its real or just to prove her wrong.

    I have an LIE friend who does that too. With him I dont mind it as much because it at least seems somewhat authentic but it always seems to be directed at me or whoever he is directly interacting with it also seems that he never has good reason for being in his angry/aggressive mode either. I'm pretty sure he has some serious psychological issues though so I don't hold too much against him... I suspect its related to Se-mobilizing but I'm not for sure.
    Whenever people seem to be in a bad mood for no reason at all, I always try to find out whether they have some physical discomfort, for instance, a cigarette craving. Cigarette cravings are notorious for putting people into bad moods, and they often don't realize they're in a bad mood and acting angry for no reason. It also happens if someone is hungry or tired. If they go have a cigarette, they will suddenly be back into a good mood even though nothing has happened.

    Just an observation. Probably irrelevant but I thought I'd put it out there. That wouldn't have anything to do with them 'switching' in the middle of a conversation, but it might be applicable if you walked in and started talking to them and they were constantly in a bad mood for no reason. Switching in the midst of a discussion is something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Isn't everybody like that?
    I dont normally show myself joyful or angry unless I am joyful or angry. Many people display a braoder spetrum of emotions then simply the joyful or angsty pattern that many doms show. I personally often have emotional tonus but dont necessarily express an emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico1e View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sumer1an View Post
    My self typed LIE sister is like that. It's like she has a switch and she turns it on. It always seems so fake to me. Her indignity also seems pretty contrived. I always giver her a hard time when she gets like that. Mainly because I'm testing to see if its real or just to prove her wrong.

    I have an LIE friend who does that too. With him I dont mind it as much because it at least seems somewhat authentic but it always seems to be directed at me or whoever he is directly interacting with it also seems that he never has good reason for being in his angry/aggressive mode either. I'm pretty sure he has some serious psychological issues though so I don't hold too much against him... I suspect its related to Se-mobilizing but I'm not for sure.
    Whenever people seem to be in a bad mood for no reason at all, I always try to find out whether they have some physical discomfort, for instance, a cigarette craving. Cigarette cravings are notorious for putting people into bad moods, and they often don't realize they're in a bad mood and acting angry for no reason. It also happens if someone is hungry or tired. If they go have a cigarette, they will suddenly be back into a good mood even though nothing has happened.

    Just an observation. Probably irrelevant but I thought I'd put it out there. That wouldn't have anything to do with them 'switching' in the middle of a conversation, but it might be applicable if you walked in and started talking to them and they were constantly in a bad mood for no reason. Switching in the midst of a discussion is something else.
    Hmm... I haven't thought about that. Like I said with my sister I think its just a facade that she uses because she is striving towards this ideal image in her head and that ideal image happens to be aggressive...

    Though with my friend it could be something along those lines.

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    Do you LIEs do the thing where you get intensely furious for like two seconds then it goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Do you LIEs do the thing where you get intensely furious for like two seconds then it goes away.
    Got an example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    I noticed that LIEs tend to switch between these modes depending at the situation their in. I'm aware that other types do this, it's just more notable and common among LIEs. Like they can be friendly/easy-going at a party with some strangers. However if some other people do something to cross them they'll go to angry/aggressive mode if need be. Anyone else notice this particular behavior?
    I love IEE's, but as much as I may wish they would learn that when someone tells them they don't want something, not to keep shoving that thing into their face because you feel/think they just don't know they want it yet and they'll learn otherwise. As I say, it's wishful thinking.

    You don't just get the '100% your favourite' sides of people when you decide to interact with them. You've got to take the rough with the smooth.

    The assertive/aggressive swing behaviour of ESTJs and ENTJs is part of how they deal with the world and that is fine.

    You may find this more preferable to the hot/cold behaviour of INTJs and ISTJs when you consider the balance of factors.

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    I notice that Te dominants tend to be like this. In the office, people usually find that I'm friendly and easy going. When there's work to be done, my tone changes entirely. Some people weren't too happy about it, but they realized it's just something I do when I'm, as someone put it, 'on functional mode'. They're cool with me now.

    I suppose when Te is being employed, Fe is being repressed, in other words the external flow of emotional energy is being ignored for the sake of efficiency. As a Te type, Fi is usually being relied on for balance- the internal status of emotional bonds remain the same despite a seemingly more negative external emotional flow. My Alpha/Beta office workers usually have an issue with this, while my Gamma/Delta ones really don't mind at all because they know that despite the harsh tone, we still are as close as we were before, if not closer after this ordeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    Like they can be friendly/easy-going at a party with some strangers. However if some other people do something to cross them they'll go to angry/aggressive mode if need be. Anyone else notice this particular behavior?
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