ESFps: Fe-demonstrative and Fi social self-indulgence

[DividedsGhost]

Do other ILIs find most SEEs to be extremely annoying with their demonstrative function? Like having them pick their nose at dinner or make stupid imitations that make you feel a sudden urge to want to kill something just because they know they can and will get away with it? Or use their Fi more as a social self-indulgent purpose rather than an ethical one?

I don't think I like SEEs that much...but I'm damn sure at this point that I'm a god damn misanthropic ILI. Is this common or am I really that confused about my type that it probably isn't reasonable to assume I really have a type, despite being able to type other people with good accuracy?

[EyeSeeCold]

The SEEs I know are more personal and affectionate in one-on-one situations. When they are annoying in a 'quasi Base Fe' loud and obnoxious manner, it's usually blatant mockery used for maintaining/manipulating the social situation. From what I've observed they don't take themselves seriously during that period.

Don't know what you're talking about - picking noses. They do love to make fun of and/or with people's behavior though.

[woofwoofl]

I don't think I like SEEs that much...

Fuck you too, asshole!


And yep, you nailed it on the imitations; I do that all the time! Last time at a friend's, I did Hank Hill, a hipster girl I know (sounded too much like that lead girl in the fashion club on Daria, but what the hell, it worked), a ton of other people...

I don't pick my nose, unless I'm imitating someone else picking their nose, and that only happened a few times (the dude was drilling away at his nose and eating it, I pretty much had to)...

You do come off to me as more IEI than ILI; for one, this whole boo-hoo-ing about "getting away with it" sounds / as all hell, and I know an unsettled Beta NF when I see one...

[Cat King Cole]

Misanthropy isn't type-related. It's other people's idiocy-related. e.g. I'm a misanthropic Alpha SF.

[Jenna]

Misanthropy isn't type-related. It's other people's idiocy-related. e.g. I'm a misanthropic Alpha SF.

Aww, *HUGS*

[Cat King Cole]

I don't need hugs, I have my own arrogance and contempt to keep me happy. But thanks.

[NewBorn STAR]

I don't need hugs, I have my own arrogance and contempt to keep me happy. But thanks.

lol

[Trevor]

SEE and being annoying: Se-base and Fi creative

[DividedsGhost]

I don't think I like SEEs that much...

Fuck you too, asshole!


And yep, you nailed it on the imitations; I do that all the time! Last time at a friend's, I did Hank Hill, a hipster girl I know (sounded too much like that lead girl in the fashion club on Daria, but what the hell, it worked), a ton of other people...

But this is what I like about them. I can be frank and you don't take it personally. This is the good part. It' socially relaxing.

I don't pick my nose, unless I'm imitating someone else picking their nose, and that only happened a few times (the dude was drilling away at his nose and eating it, I pretty much had to)...

lol

You do come off to me as more IEI than ILI; for one, this whole boo-hoo-ing about "getting away with it" sounds / as all hell, and I know an unsettled Beta NF when I see one...

eh...I don't know. There's a high probability that I have Aspergers. I think that's just the result of my insecurity in dealing with people and dog-eat-dog world bullshit. I swear to god it's like people intentionally refuse to make sense. Politics is the worst. People use those stupid philosophical terms (democrate, republican, socialist, etc.) to decide whether or not someone knows what they are talking about or is an enemy or that everything they do or will do is part of only whatever political philosophy is assigned to them. Except none of these politica terms actually exist in any concrete form or as any kind of separable scenarios to reality. The nuclear family is an almost epitome of the idea of socialism, for example, but you would never get a devote and proudly recognized person of capitalist designation admitting that...

Do you really think you can have any kind of certainty over my type without actually seeing my behavior in person? I'm even willing to bet Ashton is quite docile in person, despite his persona to act more like an SLE here.

Misanthropy isn't type-related. It's other people's idiocy-related. e.g. I'm a misanthropic Alpha SF.

True, but the dialectical-algorithmic style of thinking definitely seems to have more of a proclivity to it, in my experience.

[woofwoofl]

Fuck you too, asshole!


And yep, you nailed it on the imitations; I do that all the time! Last time at a friend's, I did Hank Hill, a hipster girl I know (sounded too much like that lead girl in the fashion club on Daria, but what the hell, it worked), a ton of other people...

But this is what I like about them. I can be frank and you don't take it personally. This is the good part. It' socially relaxing.

aww hell yeah!

You do come off to me as more IEI than ILI; for one, this whole boo-hoo-ing about "getting away with it" sounds / as all hell, and I know an unsettled Beta NF when I see one...

eh...I don't know. There's a high probability that I have Aspergers. I think that's just the result of my insecurity in dealing with people and dog-eat-dog world bullshit. I swear to god it's like people intentionally refuse to make sense. Politics is the worst. People use those stupid philosophical terms (democrate, republican, socialist, etc.) to decide whether or not someone knows what they are talking about or is an enemy or that everything they do or will do is part of only whatever political philosophy is assigned to them. Except none of these politica terms actually exist in any concrete form or as any kind of separable scenarios to reality. The nuclear family is an almost epitome of the idea of socialism, for example, but you would never get a devote and proudly recognized person of capitalist designation admitting that...

Yep, I totally know what you mean there

Any of those nebulous, emotionally charged words that I can't pin down as a universal-ish, tangible thing becomes a problem...

The biggest thing that brought Beta NF to mind was Jinxi and Timmy; I could tell "F" and "T" in the both of them, and neither seemed to overtake the other, so it was a matter of finding which one of each was the valued one... Jinxi dual-seeked the living shit out of to the point where there was an obvious Activity relation happening with discojoe, and Timmy's became more and more apparent to me as time went on

In this case, the IEI seemed more emotionally flat than the ILI; this was really obvious on video

Do you really think you can have any kind of certainty over my type without actually seeing my behavior in person?

Yes!

"Certainty" is a hard as hell thing; for countless reasons, I've settled for 100% certainty as being impossible, but 85% or so will do, and I don't have to be certain of the percentage itself either...

Outward behavior can be a tricky thing too, which leads me to...

I'm even willing to bet Ashton is quite docile in person, despite his persona to act more like an SLE here.

I saw him on cam, and I could pick up valuing immediately; I was on the mic, no cam (not the same session, by the way), and I sounded flat-out Ni-ILI. The way you kinda feel towards Ashton is another thing, I wonder if it's a Supervision thing...

By the way, I should get on the mic more! writing is confusing...

[Anglas]

Woof give me gun.

[Absurd]

Woof give me gun.

Here you go:

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[Anglas]

Ohhh woof, wonderful gun, reminds me Absurd personality.

[Jarno]

This is my personal opinion/experience:

Duality is the relationship between two opposite personalities.

The pro's of duality is the communication is perfect, understanding is perfect. etc.

The con's of duality. The other person is someone who is entirely different than you and therefor often annoying!!

I personally often have trouble respecting the SEE. Though when we interact together, everything is really smooth and worthwhile.

[717495]

That's just acting more like an / extrovert, or more specifically LIE, not an SLE. Though there is a difference in subtype.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't need hugs, I have my own arrogance and contempt to keep me happy. But thanks.

LOL but, it would be easier to say that you're not codependent on relationships for a sense of security, as Fi types are.

[Cat King Cole]

Maritsa, I don't think codependence is a part of any healthy human mind.

[Absurd]

Ohhh woof, wonderful gun, reminds me Absurd personality.

Woofwoofl knows things about guns, I concur. But when you really need to get the job done come to me.

I can get you this:



It's a VK1-242 Colt M16A2 Carbine 5.56mm Machine Gun. Complete with box, bag and inner sleeve.

[nanashi]

Do other ILIs find most SEEs to be extremely annoying with their demonstrative function? Like having them pick their nose at dinner or make stupid imitations that make you feel a sudden urge to want to kill something just because they know they can and will get away with it? Or use their Fi more as a social self-indulgent purpose rather than an ethical one?

I don't think I like SEEs that much...but I'm damn sure at this point that I'm a god damn misanthropic ILI. Is this common or am I really that confused about my type that it probably isn't reasonable to assume I really have a type, despite being able to type other people with good accuracy?

Above thing I may feel because I notice the assertiveness of SEEs and also am interacting with an immature/fragmented one...or I'm immature/fragmented at that time.

But this is what I like about them. I can be frank and you don't take it personally. This is the good part. It' socially relaxing.



lol



eh...I don't know. There's a high probability that I have Aspergers. I think that's just the result of my insecurity in dealing with people and dog-eat-dog world bullshit. I swear to god it's like people intentionally refuse to make sense. Politics is the worst. People use those stupid philosophical terms (democrate, republican, socialist, etc.) to decide whether or not someone knows what they are talking about or is an enemy or that everything they do or will do is part of only whatever political philosophy is assigned to them. Except none of these politica terms actually exist in any concrete form or as any kind of separable scenarios to reality. The nuclear family is an almost epitome of the idea of socialism, for example, but you would never get a devote and proudly recognized person of capitalist designation admitting that...

Do you really think you can have any kind of certainty over my type without actually seeing my behavior in person? I'm even willing to bet Ashton is quite docile in person, despite his persona to act more like an SLE here.

I like that you like woofwoofl's response here. / interaction compatibility, etc. @Asperger's comment, I've been told by family & exes, etc, that I may have Aspergers. I also read about ILI traits that Aspies share, so maybe we just share traits with them, or maybe all ILIs are Aspies, or maybe, etc. I loved your rant on the blind bigotry sometimes found when people are grouping others by political affiliation.

The biggest thing that brought Beta NF to mind was Jinxi and Timmy; I could tell "F" and "T" in the both of them, and neither seemed to overtake the other, so it was a matter of finding which one of each was the valued one... Jinxi dual-seeked the living shit out of to the point where there was an obvious Activity relation happening with discojoe, and Timmy's became more and more apparent to me as time went on

In this case, the IEI seemed more emotionally flat than the ILI; this was really obvious on video



Yes!

"Certainty" is a hard as hell thing; for countless reasons, I've settled for 100% certainty as being impossible, but 85% or so will do, and I don't have to be certain of the percentage itself either...

Outward behavior can be a tricky thing too, which leads me to...

I'm even willing to bet Ashton is quite docile in person, despite his persona to act more like an SLE here.

I saw him on cam, and I could pick up valuing immediately; I was on the mic, no cam (not the same session, by the way), and I sounded flat-out Ni-ILI. The way you kinda feel towards Ashton is another thing, I wonder if it's a Supervision thing...

By the way, I should get on the mic more! writing is confusing...

I agree that Jinxi seems IEI to me and Timmy seems ILI. I was intrigued by Jinxi but experienced what seemed like animosity (maybe it was just / conflict), but Timmy like curled up on my doorstep and asked me to be his Tomogatchi. Whatever that is. Haha. Timmy oozes Fi.Ashton is so ExTj in the way he communicates. I talked with him on the phone, and there's Te before there's anything else. I'm not saying that his Ni isn't observable, too.

This is my personal opinion/experience:

Duality is the relationship between two opposite personalities.

The pro's of duality is the communication is perfect, understanding is perfect. etc.

The con's of duality. The other person is someone who is entirely different than you and therefor often annoying!!

I personally often have trouble respecting the SEE. Though when we interact together, everything is really smooth and worthwhile.

I think I met a dual dude at my friend's friend's friends' party last week, and I had similar reactions internally as described above. My first impressions, while not extremely unfavorable, were that he was assertive ("This guy sees himself as socially in an advantageous position" also "Who does this guy think he is?") and that he was doing things for people, like he put some weird plastic bottle attachment on the top of the cans of beers for people. (I wanted to ask him what their purpose was and tell him they seemed ridiculous. But I decided not to.) And he just gave me half of his steak and kept bringing me beverages. He said I was the weirdest person he ever met. It sounds bad for my chances for a relationship for a guy to say that, right? But, he acted heavily intrigued by it consistently...and I returned from getting a paper towel in the kitchen to him interrogating our mutual friends: "But who is she?" "Where did she come from?" etc. I asked an acquaintance loudly (for sx/so humor reasons):"They know I'm right here, right?" That had no effect in phazing him. Also, he added me to his facebook, and I saw a mindboggling amount of -living. Everything about his life seems different from mine...the flow of it. And the thought of misunderstandings occurring due to the novelty of our ways of living during hanging out or other interaction--worries me, despite our sharing values (personal and Gamma quadra values).

[pianosinger]

The SEEs I know are more personal and affectionate in one-on-one situations. When they are annoying in a 'quasi Base Fe' loud and obnoxious manner, it's usually blatant mockery used for maintaining/manipulating the social situation. From what I've observed they don't take themselves seriously during that period.

This is my sister. When I'm around her, we can both get like like this-- but her slightly moreso, I think. We just get really silly around each other, but we never take any of it seriously. I don't really have any other friend or family member who can bring out my Fe like my SEE sister can.

[Chae]

as per the theory, isn't the non-valued, subconscious demonstrative function something the 4D partner unknowingly shields the dual (1D, PoLR) from, so that they actually won't be annoyed?

SEE is excellent at Fe. But! They just show their emotionally charged antics casually, and save ILI from the embarrassment of not being as expressive as their environment.

as in, ILI is out there, killing the mood, in comes SEE causing a ruckus to distract from the awkward moment all while waking up the ILI through their combative , something like that.

because the demonstrative is something SEE strings along and doesn't care about, ILI doesn't even notice, but it helps their social reputation from the outside.

just like e.g. SLE will protect IEI from losing grip on matter of fact details through demonstrative , but they deliver it through their systemic analysis and prescribed rules, . it's filtered through the creative function. that's why duality lacks the friction of conflict relations.