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    I'm sure I've done this thread before, but don't want to spend too much digging for it. The question I am asking is assuming functions exist in reality in some form, in what part of the mind would a specific function manifest as? For instance, can you get one specific function and attribute it to a specific region of the brain? Perhaps it is much more complex and the function would manifest itself as a multi-faceted collaboration between several regions of the brain. I'm just curious if anyone here has any information or ideas on this?
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    I think I remember reading something about this subject. I also remember being totally unconvinced of the "evidence" for certain functions to be in particular brain parts. We're not there yet technologically and I don't know if we ever will be or if the functions even truly exist.
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    You make a lot of threads.

    Also I don't know. I can't even begin to guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Grab an fMRI scanner and start scoping out brains, then you'll be closer to answer.
    Yes. I think there were several threads in the past where people Wikipedia-ed brain regions and tried to correlate them 1-to-1 with IEs, and it never ended well.

    To do that sort of correlation properly without an fMRI on hand, I think you'd have to review the original papers where they performed fMRIs on subjects while showing them certain material/making them perform certain tasks, then work out whether the materials/tasks correspond directly to socionic IEs. I doubt most studies would've been testing for one socionics IE in isolation (and realistically, would it even be possible? You might be making someone do logic puzzles but they could be thinking about how smooth the test paper is), but who knows, it could be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    You make a lot of threads.

    Also I don't know. I can't even begin to guess.
    I've always made a lot of threads, anyone here who's known me when I was active over four years ago is aware of this. I just prefer to create discussion rather than participate in other discussions. I think I posted more threads consistently in the past than I do today.
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    I remember talking with Dimitri Lytov a little when he came on this forum and he said that there was, at that point some correlation between the regions of the brain and functions, though developments have yet to be made.

    Also, there is a more recent diagram on this site about it:http://forum.socionix.com/topic/3920...sonality-type/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    I'm sure I've done this thread before, but don't want to spend too much digging for it. The question I am asking is assuming functions exist in reality in some form, in what part of the mind would a specific function manifest as? For instance, can you get one specific function and attribute it to a specific region of the brain? Perhaps it is much more complex and the function would manifest itself as a multi-faceted collaboration between several regions of the brain. I'm just curious if anyone here has any information or ideas on this?
    I once posted two links where they had made catscans of the brain and indicating different functions etc.

    I can't find the links anymore, but when I do, I'll post them here.

    More people probably know what I'm referring to.

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    There is Benziger's model, Lenore's model, and if you go to Google Scholar and do a search for MBTI you'll see a many articles published trying to correlate various personality factors and behaviors to MBTI functions, example. I found this series of videos some time ago. Plus there does seem to exist a correlation between MBTI functions and Big 5 model where Big 5 has much more empirical backing going for it. Some more stuff about it written in this thread. Although a lot of people will claim that Socionics and MBTI are not the same thing, I believe that they are trying to describe same underlying phenomena so studies done on MBTI should translate to Socionics functions. Problem is that in a lot of MBTI studies they don't make distinctions between extraverted and introverted versions of functions, so for example they'd group NFs together not making any distinctions between Beta and Delta NFs, so their results are not very trustworthy.

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    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
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    In hard-nosed people, the left brain hemisphere dominates
    In creative people, the right brain hemisphere dominates
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    In hard-nosed people, the left brain hemisphere dominates
    In creative people, the right brain hemisphere dominates
    LOL U R wrong. Thats obselete science.

    EDIT: now that I think of it its the correlation between right handedness and the left hemishphere of the brain, left handedness and the right hemisphere o the brain that I know is obselete, not what you were saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
    Tell me you're trolling. Because if you're not, that's a really stupid thing to say.

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    I don't think it's totally empty though. I know I just don't "see" abstract things unless I can tie them back to reality.

    It's not related to brain networking or creativity though, because I'm still highly creative. A simple sanity check: if your theory held, S/N would be sex-related, with the densely packed brains of females causing them to be Ns, and the less densely-packed brains of males causing them to be Ss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    In hard-nosed people, the left brain hemisphere dominates
    In creative people, the right brain hemisphere dominates
    LOL U R wrong. Thats obselete science.

    EDIT: now that I think of it its the correlation between right handedness and the left hemishphere of the brain, left handedness and the right hemisphere o the brain that I know is obselete, not what you were saying.
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    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
    Tell me you're trolling. Because if you're not, that's a really stupid thing to say.
    Perhaps I am wrong. Anyway, there is a thing called "brainstorming", which consists of putting forward all the ideas you have in mind, and then discussing whether or not they make sense.

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    I don't think it's totally empty though. I know I just don't "see" abstract things unless I can tie them back to reality.

    It's not related to brain networking or creativity though, because I'm still highly creative. A simple sanity check: if your theory held, S/N would be sex-related, with the densely packed brains of females causing them to be Ns, and the less densely-packed brains of males causing them to be Ss.
    Whatever it is, there is prolly a relationship between the number of connections between neurons and IQ/EQ/Socionics type
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
    Do you have any proof for this? An article of any kind?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Whatever it is, there is prolly a relationship between the number of connections between neurons and IQ/EQ/Socionics type
    There may be a relationship with IQ, not sure about EQ, and probably not Socionics type.
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    The only functions of measurement used by the brain are neurotransmitters. As such priorities are also a neurotransmission effect. However we should caution that the socionics functions have multiple facets involving multiple information elements. There is an Fi part to the functions, and an Fe part, and a logical part as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
    Tell me you're trolling. Because if you're not, that's a really stupid thing to say.
    LOL he's just trying to put an idea into a system, a box and that's just, well, a theory, but not a very good one. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
    yeah and neurons of ethical types are generally more ethical ... like they don't kill or abuse other proximal neurons

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
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    IMO, intuitors have more connections between neurons whereas sensors have less connections, therefore the latter are less likely to understand abstract ideas.
    yeah and neurons of ethical types are generally more ethical ... like they don't kill or abuse other proximal neurons
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