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    Hey Ashton, you know who this guy is ?

    EDIT: I don't want to be a killjoy or something but this is a slippery topic. He had ties in England.
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    He is a model type. Therefore EIE. His Se HA drove him to seek blood.
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    VI wise he seems Ti-ISTJ.

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    Nah, hes ego, probably without in the ego block.

    Yes, ENFps can be serial murderers too, I mean look how naive and nice this guy looks, hes all bubbly and and emathetic in his expressions, yet look at what he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Nah, hes ego, probably without in the ego block.

    Yes, ENFps can be serial murderers too, I mean look how naive and nice this guy looks, hes all bubbly and and emathetic in his expressions, yet look at what he did.
    You mean beta ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Nah, hes ego, probably without in the ego block.

    Yes, ENFps can be serial murderers too, I mean look how naive and nice this guy looks, hes all bubbly and and emathetic in his expressions, yet look at what he did.
    You mean beta ?
    What?

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    He appears to be SLE. Strange... I think there are a lot of things going on behind the courtain.
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    He talks about himself in his book: http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-co...dependence.pdf. From page 1376 onwards there's some sort of interview, he talks about his childhood, too.
    He also put a video online: http://www.veoh.com/watch/v21123164bZCBQeZ8

    He prepared everything in advance meticulously, including putting up information directed against the attempts to picture him differently than he is. Regarding his beliefs, he said that he made allegiance with Christianity and pan-European values based on pragmatism, to have appeal to as many Europeans as possible. He was previously pretty much involved in business and describes the evolution of his finances in detail. I have little doubts he is a Logical type, and likely Ti: among other things, he qualified his actions as a necessary evil.
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    Ouch, that video is his justification? He should probably be punched in the dick. To death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Cool, thanks.
    You're welcome. That was on his Wikipedia article, BTW, seems it gets updated as we speak .
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I don't think that suggests ; with the right convictions, anyone can make deals with their conscience like that.
    I agree but I was referring to the way he puts the problem, how he sees the matter and his reasoning along the way. I think he is very precise and has a logical analysis on everything, adding a lot of rigor. He uses a strongly deductive reasoning and backs virtually every conclusion with premises. He tries to describe himself as objectively as possible, including flaws and the description of their causes (eg page 1401). Along the way he rejects humanism (1), all he speaks about comes from a purely technical though idealistic perspective: necessity, survival, prevention, etc. Calculated and systematic, kept track of everything, did all the stuff alone all the way. That book looks like a military manual, that was apparently a very tough job.
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    "It's strange that he didn't kill himself, like the guys that have carried out school shootings," another police official said. [note: I've made this association at first, too, which normally corresponds to a feeler, but it's apparently not the case]

    He said the attacks appeared to be the work of a lone madman, without links to any international terrorist networks. "He's obviously cold as ice." Police were interrogating the man at a police station in Oslo, saying the suspect is cooperating.

    "He is clear on the point that he wants to explain himself," a police spokesman said.
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    (1) I can't wait for BBC to come out with psychanalytical "facts" about him.
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    Which personality type does he belong to? I somehow concluded at ESTJ, but this could be wrong.

    Some of his written posts on the forums for World of Warcraft can be found here:

    http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16979-m...54/#post556603
    http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16979-m...40/#post674884
    http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t24323-m...p7/#post721547

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    Yup, one can clearly see him talking about Moslems and their spell damage.

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    Wow, world of warcraft player loses it and kills 84 adolescents. Sue Blizzard!

    I think INFp unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Wow, world of warcraft player loses it and kills 84 adolescents. Sue Blizzard!
    It makes me sick that people claim, and actually believe, that computer games like wow or generic shooters would cause people to do those horrible things, or work as a kind of "training". Come on, world of warcraft has a setting like a fairy tale.
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    Actually Ive changed my mind, I think he is ego, the ineffable's post convinced me of that, Im also still convinced hes ego too, because he appearatly planned every detail of this attack for years. I would vote ENTp.

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    Changed my mind

    Thorough, methodical, fanatical, violent, self-justifying....ISTj?

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    ISTjs are not good at long term planning though, this guy made claims about doing precisely this since 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    ISTjs are not good at long term planning though..
    But ENTps are??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyst Trevor View Post
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    ISTjs are not good at long term planning though..
    But ENTps are??
    I am not one. I cant say for sure. But I would Imagine so. is related to planning as far as I understand it, even though ENTps tend to embark on adventures without thinking...idk maybe hes INTj then. I dont care anymore lol. Hes some creepy fucked weirdo - dont get me wrong Ashton's idea for posting this was good but I dont wanna think about this guy anymore.

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    Rational is an absolute certainty.
    Also, he favoured neither S or N strongly. He was both the debater and the plotter, and also the actor himself. But I would have to give the edge to sensory component.
    The meticulousness by which he proceeded and the willingness to be alone while being outwardly superficially charismatic all suggest a powerful thinking component.

    I think xSTj can be relied on.

    Now I would slightly lean toward ESTj. I base this on his willingness to adopt different roles rapidly throughout his life. He was a normal kid first, then a worker out of the country, a leftist tag artist, suddenly a right wing nut, an agnostic, suddenly "moderately christian", then a freemason and a "templar".
    ISTj-Tis, in my experience, tend toward consistency.

    Also, he made himself a successful businessman I believe. Suggesting willingness to push forward in the long term and well, ability in business logic.


    I had one of those 9/11 / John Kennedy types of moments with this piece of news.
    I think there's worse to come.
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    Well, the socionics stereotype for such a systematic killing says that beta rationals are where we should look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, the socionics stereotype for such a systematic killing says that beta rationals are where we should look.
    I hope that's the case here too. I sure as hell don't want this guy in my quadra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes View Post
    Also, he made himself a successful businessman I believe. Suggesting willingness to push forward in the long term and well, ability in business logic.
    He was making cash knowing already he's going to do it, preparing, gathering materials for one purpose. People he has been discussing "things" with went apeshit after hearing what has he done, at least those on Stormfront.

    I think you know how EDL took it.

    I can say that he had a dream.
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    I wish propensity to evil not to be type related. I wish wish wish.

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    My motivation here is to try make as certain as possible that he's NOT ESTj which I can't rule out as of yet, so I'm hoping someone will "prove" me wrong here.

    Thing is, ESTjs are also known as "good soldiers". I certainly wouldn't rule out an ESTj serial killer and frankly I think there have been several. ESTjs tend to approach things from the point of one-upping, proving that something that something can be done. It's like a game. Killing the other person might not be construed by the psyche even as violence if the other person is someone who "is supposed to die".

    I certainly have no trouble cutting people open in the surgery room, which is violence for a good purpose.

    I guess I'd like to find something else, but the violence, to prove this guy was Se.

    The tagging thing might be one. That smacks of vandalism, disrespect for property. Also he does look more like an ISTj. Thing is, I'd like more proof.
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    Cutting people open and making a bomb using way too much, let's call it, ingredients, is two different things.

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    The quote above about his relation to logic is certainly another point in favour of ISTj. And since I don't really particularly much hang out with them, maybe I'm making a mistake, maybe they do methodically try out different identities when looking for themselves. Anyhow I can't fully trust myself in this one since I'm too motivated to want to see him as ISTj. Bugger.

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    As for the other thing, I'd think bombing a building would be easier than cutting people open with a small knife. I certainly had trouble in the anatomy theatre dissections.
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    Having read the beginning of his book, he strikes me as being -dominant. Based on VI, I'd say he's ISTj > INTj.

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    The maximum sentence for any crime in norway is 21 years. This guy is actually going to get out of jail in his early 50s. That astounds me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    The maximum sentence for any crime in norway is 21 years. This guy is actually going to get out of jail in his early 50s. That astounds me.
    Notwithstanding the maximum initial sentence of 21 years, criminals can be detained for longer periods of time if it is determined that they pose a continuing threat to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyst Trevor View Post
    I wish propensity to evil not to be type related. I wish wish wish.
    What "evil" are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Begoner View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    The maximum sentence for any crime in norway is 21 years. This guy is actually going to get out of jail in his early 50s. That astounds me.
    Notwithstanding the maximum initial sentence of 21 years, criminals can be detained for longer periods of time if it is determined that they pose a continuing threat to society.
    Gee, do you think?

    This is a classic case of consequentialism. High functioning at that. No Lelouch Lamperouge "sins of the world" pining here.

    Almost like he's the yin to Julian Assange's yang.

    He sure took the job seriously. Someone's been watching too many Danger Bros. cartoons.

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    Lol nobody wants him in their quadra.=p

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Gee, do you think?
    Do I think what -- that Norway's laws are as I described them, or that he will continue to pose a threat to society even after 21 years? As a matter of fact, I'm not sure about either -- I have no idea how imprisonment will affect a particular person, and it is possible that I read about the former from an unreliable source. Indeed, it is entirely possible that, in this instance, the criminal will find that he acted wrongly and repent his actions (cf. Raskolnikov).

    This is a classic case of consequentialism. High functioning at that. No Lelouch Lamperouge "sins of the world" pining here.
    That is not my impression; he seems to be quite romantic in his thought, as opposed to clear-minded. That is, he views himself as a "knight" (his word) whose duty is to sacrifice himself for the betterment of the world. The methods he employed are indeed consequentialist, but they are motivated by narcissistic delusions of grandeur. In other words, he valued fame and martyrdom more than actually achieving his goals.

    Almost like he's the yin to Julian Assange's yang.
    This is a not altogether inapt comparison, as Assange also suffers from pomposity and egomania, subsumed under an ideological mission.

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    In the Enneagram I would say he is a 1w9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
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    Well, the socionics stereotype for such a systematic killing says that beta rationals are where we should look.
    I hope that's the case here too. I sure as hell don't want this guy in my quadra.
    That isn't a nice thing to do. Shoving people out of "YOUR QUADRA" because they don't meet your expectations of not only your type or your close relations won't change who they are.

    You're basically saying, "lets put all the bad humans in beta;" which isn't true. I've met more loving and kind LSI men in my life than my very own hard ass, rude, unkind, impolite, womenizing duals than ever in any quadra. Now chew on that!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    That isn't a nice thing to do. Shoving people out of "YOUR QUADRA" because they don't meet your expectations of not only your type or your close relations won't change who they are.

    You're basically saying, "lets put all the bad humans in beta;" which isn't true. I've met more loving and kind LSI men in my life than my very own hard ass, rude, unkind, impolite, womenizing duals than ever in any quadra. Now chew on that!!!!
    Yeah, this is really messed up. Especially noted in other deltas on here, just refusing for anyone to be in their quadra for no good reason, which they dislike by some piece of moral code that has nothing to do with type. Often times they can't look at the person as a real-time individual anymore, they obsess over general ideas and stereotypes.

    I did say I VI Breivik Ti-ISTJ. Investigating more of his background, this sounds right.

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