CPT - 99 Failed experiment of typing
This is a bad news for all of you(I talking about English - language forum. For the rest's Russian-language socionists - it is not a news. It is a well known fact)
The covergence of the results of independent group of the socionists on 1999 - about 30%. That is very bad for all of you and for socionic itself.
And remember! You! All of you - must to do something that will improve the situation in socionics.
Remember: no convergence - no science!
So by the way: Here is an original article:
http://www.socio.dp.ua/newspaper/1999/strez1/
Translaion taken from google - Translator:
Experiment showed that CPT-99
Vladimir L. Pavlov, NL Low, IE Semencha,
VI Gudramovich, SE Petsold (Dnepropetrovsk)
Experiment showed that CPT-99
From 24 to April 28, 1999 in Dnepropetrovsk experiment was conducted by comparing the results tipoopredeleniya (CPT) for various socionists. The experiment was conducted within the framework of international scientific-practical conference "Socionics and social technologies in the XXI Century", which became one of the biggest meetings socionic 90s {1}.
The experiment involved 43 experts from Zaporozhye, Kiev, Kharkov, Donetsk, Moscow, Lviv, Kremenchug, Yekaterinburg, St. Petersburg, Feodosia, Dneprodzerzhinsk and Dnipropetrovsk. Five of the experts expressed their desire to speak to the results published under pseudonyms, and the rest - under their own names. It was recorded two indivisible team (the first of two, the second of five), whose members are involved only in the K-experiment, respectively, these groups always registered as a tipirovschik. Therefore, the totals are the results of 38 tipirovschikov. In addition, recorded another indivisible group, but its members have participated in the K, and in and experiments.
The average age was 31 years tipirovschikov, the youngest age tipirovschik was 18 years old, while the maximum age was 64 years. Distribution by age groups is shown in Table 1.
All members of CPT-99 had higher or incomplete higher education (see Table 2).
The average experience of employment practice typing participants in the experiment was approximately 4.4 years (see Table 3).
40% tipirovschikov had at the time of the experiment published in Socionics (see Table 4), 55% tipirovschikov (24 of 43) had the experience of typing on a commercial basis.
It is interesting that one in five members of CPT-99, considered himself the ILE, and almost half (44%) - logical and intuitive (see Table 5).
On average, each tipirovschik participated in 7 PPTI {4}. In all 13 participants only PPTI Gorbunov (Dnepropetrovsk), Ermakov (Kiev) and D. Mamrak (Dnepropetrovsk). In 12 PPTI attended Kate Semenova (pseudonym), Kiev-2 (indivisible group of five socionists of Zaporozhye), V. Garashchuk (Dnepropetrovsk). Others tipirovschiki participated in fewer PPTI.
Comment for those who are not familiar with the methodology of the experiment.
... Methodology of CPT-99 was discussed in detail for almost a year before the actual experiment. The discussion was attended by a large number of socionists from Ukraine, Russia, Baltic countries, UK and USA. The most interesting proposals have been published in the pages of "socionic readings" - was published 29 articles by various authors, which discussed the upcoming event.
In the end, it was decided to conduct an experiment on a series-parallel circuit in the form of so-called PPTI. In short, the idea was that each tipiruemogo during PPTI interviewed 4 groups tipirovschikov. These groups were combined into two pairs. With respect to each other, these couples have worked (interviewed) in succession, one after another, and within the group interviewed couples in parallel (at the same time, being in the same room
{2}). Each group participated in the first interview, and after its completion were determined by individual experts socionists version, and then the group dispersed in different rooms, discussed and worked out a collective tipiruemogo version.
Thus, for each of tipiruemyh recorded a number of individual versions and 4 collective (group).
To control the correctness of the experiment and the observance of the claimed method was organized by the Supervisory Board, which, apart from some well-known socionists from different cities, went in and completely independent observers "to" {3}.
Full text of the techniques of the experiment CPT-99 can be found in N 3-99 "socionic readings" or on the web page of our newspapers ...
As an experiment performed on tipiruemyh university students of Dnepropetrovsk, aged 18 to 23 years. The median age was slightly more than 20 years. Of the 13 subjects were 6 male and 7 - female.
Each subject participated in one PPTI, during which conducted two interviews. In an interview attended by 5 to 18 tipirovschikov, the average number socionists during the interview was 12.
The experiment was carried out 13 (the number of subjects) and to the series-parallel typological identification (PPTI), during which the act was carried out 273 individual expert evaluation. In 266 cases the results of expert evaluation of individual tipirovschikami formulated version of Tim the subject, and in 7 cases received tipirovschikami information was insufficient to formulate conclusions about Tim test.
During the experiment, only one of PPTI 13 was I-convergence of {5}, only 3 were PPTI K-convergence of {6}. Average convergence was 31% (see Table 6, due to the large size - 37 K - she moved to separate file), and the average number of versions of the test Thieme - 7.5.
Here and below, the value of convergence is the ratio of experts "voted" for the most popular version, the total number of experts, typed the individual concerned. For example, if there is nobody on the X to be 2 versions of the ESE, a version of OR, 4 versions of the FEL, 5 versions of the ILE and a judge refrained from expressing versions, the convergence of the results for X to be 5 / (2 +1 +4 +5 +1) = 0.38 = 38%.
Each of the 13 subjects during the experiment, participated in 2 different interviews that were conducted simultaneously by 2 different groups of experts (in total - four of the expert group on one of the interviewee). It is interesting to assess the convergence within groups of experts were based on the same information about tipiruemom, that is participating in an interview. These groups was 26, only 4 of them observed the I-convergence (more than half of the experts independently came at once to the same opinion.) Average convergence of these 26 groups was 38% tipirovschikov.
Many are interested in the convergence of the scales. Relevant data {7} are shown in Table 8.
Please note that the minimum possible convergence on the scale - 50% - this is when exactly half of the experts chose one pole of the scale, and the second - on the other. In fact, there is no convergence in this case. Therefore, tsifra60% is extremely low!
It is interesting to see the convergence of the versions of the square. It turned out to be 41% and was only 2 and-match out of 13. That is, only 2 of 13 tipiruemyh more than half the experts socionists independently came to the same opinion about the quadra to which the examinee.
In addition to the Blocks, you can look at the other four types. For example, clubs. Take socion (16 TIMov) and share it on the 4 groups of 4 TIM with the two scales: the logic of ethics and intuition-sensing. Then analyze the number of "votes" cast tipirovschikami for membership of the test to a particular club. Here the convergence of the better - 51%. Accordingly, 6 I-matches out of 13.
Similarly, you can break into fours socion TIMov many different ways, and in each case, the convergence of view. The most interesting result of the analysis of convergence in groups, formation of the division socion scales extraversion-introversion and logic-ethics. For 12 out of 13 subjects more than half of them typed socionists immediately and independently came to similar conclusions about which of the groups described belongs to the subject. In other words, we can say that for 12 out of 13 subjects were recorded and versions of the subject's affiliation to one of the fours TIMov. Average convergence here is 60%.
Can these data be interpreted so that "during the experiment, the convergence of the observed half - two of the 4 scales?" Perhaps, in some ways, yes. Why is "in some way?" Because just about remember the words that "if the sturgeon is the second freshness, it means that it is rotten!" ...
During the break, the last day of the conference a meeting of the Supervisory Board of the experiment, which, in particular, has been drawn up and signed the act of summing up the CPT-99. The instrument recorded the main results of the experiment, as well as the fact that CPT-99 was conducted in full accordance with the claimed method, without any of its violations.
In the ensuing discussion, and members of the Supervisory Board, and most nerazehavshihsya the last day of the conference were unanimous in several areas:
1. In the coming years is to refrain from commercial use socionic methods (first of all - based on interviews by tipoopredelenii)
and
concentrate on research.
2. Zafiksipovannaya in Quaternary ekspepimenta ~ 30% although convergence chpezvychaynomala, but it is not accidental - it is much higher than that of an arbitrary DURING Choice ekspeptnogo Industry solutions about Tim test. In particular, if we calculate the average probability that a given distribution on the number of experts, to define each type, does not differ from uniform (on criterion A2), this value is less than 0.005 (estimated AM El'yashevich). This gives reason to hope for "better future" Socionics.
It should be noted that the increase in the number of participants in the experiment would have caused, most likely, only a decrease in the average convergence. To illustrate this idea enough to take the situation in Kiev, where very famous Socionics - A. Boukalov, V. Gulenko, Ermakov, I. Kaganets, A. Salnikov, G. Schulman - still can not come to one opinion, even on Timahoe EACH OTHER! And yet each of them by not only dozens of articles and books on Socionics!
Many members of CPT-99 drew attention to the difficulties that occur at the collective agreement versions, when it was necessary to develop a consensus, the final version. Sometimes it came to a very heated debate. And this despite the fact that very often advertised as Socionics "science communication, understanding and agreement" ...
The lack of a common language - the key problem of today's Socionics, a decision which can be produced only in a series of experiments similar to CPT. For new activities of this kind, of course, do not wait until the next conference in April 2002 N 5-99 "socionic readings" was published several articles on the idea of creating obschesotsionicheskogo Information Center, designed for centralized collection, processing information hraneniyai of experiments compared the results of typing. Since issue commercial certification socionists understandably lost its relevance, then discussed the information center are only a research and coordination functions, which can take Edition "socionic readings." Accordingly, all matters relating to the holding of local CPT-field experiments, {8}, please refer directly to the editors.
... In January of 1999. VL Pavlov conducted a micro-experiment in a way similar to CPT-99. In connection with the loss of old scores, he walked in Dnepropetrovsk 7 private specialized firms {9}, and always asked him to make a diagnosis of and prescription. In several of the firms he had (of course, for an additional fee) diagnosis of the computer, allegedly 100% accurate and objective. As a result, there was not a single pair of firms, which would be discharged the same recipes. With that, the difference was not only in the strength of lenses {10}, but even in the distance between the pupils, which, according to some recipes, varied within a month to nearly half an inch ...
Modern disease Socionics, in essence, a manifestation of the common diseases of our society, and it is hoped that as the stabilization and improvement of the situation in the former Soviet Union similar tendencies are observed in socionic movement.
# It was attended by more than 80 socionists from 17 cities of the former Soviet Union (including from Dnepropetrovsk - about 40 people). [<<<]
# The experiment was conducted in the classrooms of Dnepropetrovsk branch of the Ukrainian Academy of Public Administration under the President of Ukraine, which was one of the co-organizers of the project. [<<<]
# For example, AA Zabludovsky - President of the Union of the Dnepropetrovsk managers, VK Eselsky - director of the House of Scientists, Dnepropetrovsk, and several others. In addition, the Supervisory Board consisting of members of the organizing committee of the experiment, carried out the executive functions.
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# PPTI - parallel to serial typological identification. PPTI consisted of two consecutive 45-minute interview with the subject and then debate its TIM in the four groups. [<<<]
# In other words, only one of the 13 subjects interviewed, more than half its socionists independently came to the same conclusion about it Tim. [<<<]
# In other words, only three of 13 subjects at least three of the four groups socionists discussing the subject, independently came to similar conclusions about its collective Thieme. [<<<]
# It is interesting to note that almost similar ranking scale for consistency of results was obtained by various tipirovschikov O. Nazarko (Dnepropetrovsk) by analysis of protocols ranking tournaments of the School of 2P-typing system. These results were reported by A. Nazarko in April 1998 on socionic conference held in Kiev by "meeting place" and magazine "Socion." [<<<]
# Including, on receipt of the methodical, informational and organizational support. [<<<]
# In general - the most publicized and expensive. [<<<]
# This difference sometimes reaches one diopter in accuracy (the accuracy with which prescriptions) 0.25 diopters. [<<<]
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Originally Posted by labcoat
I don't mind inconsistencies; I expect them to be minor and predictable, despite their frequency...
--> perhaps Normalizing 
egos seem to feel uneasy when I display 
Not in literal meanings.
But I don't think my father-in-law is Dumas, *I'm sure* he is Dumas - so naturally I incline to believe that one is Dumas, too, however any Fe type would do. You appear ambiguous there (one may say Yesenin, too), but in your next video you're clearly Hamlet, IMO.
