# Thread: Tasks for the entrance exams for prospective students studying Socionics:

1. ## Tasks for the entrance exams for prospective students studying Socionics:

1. How many combinations exist of three fingers? (One hand, a sequence of three fingers - ignored)
2. Given the message that is encoded by 5 bits. Total massages may be 2: S1 = 00 000; S2 = 11111. The probability of true transmitting one bit of information 0.9. (1) Calculate the probability that the received message will be INTERPRETED correctly. (2) Message received S = 10000. Determine how likely the message S1 = 00 000?
3. Given a sequence of 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 ... What is this? Continue range of up to 15 members of the sequence. To display a table of values. Compare the value and an/an-1 and (SQRT(5)+1)/2
4. Write an algorithm for Pascal program that hoped to be the value function, factorial, depending on the introduced quantity of factorial. For example: Input: 5. Output: 5! = 120
5. How many of the segments can be connected by a multitude of n - of points ( the maximum possible number of segments, no three points lie on a straight line)?
6. The concept of derivative in mathematics.
7. The law of diminishing marginal productivity (utility) in the economy.

Bonus: (score being discussed)

8: The relationship of matter and energy. Einstein's formula.

9. Compare 3 languages: English, Russian and Ukrainian. On objects: the ability to express their feelings and emotions and through them the ability to express complex business rules, algorithms, schemes and designs. Reply to justify the examples.
10. Bring 5 examples of creatures that could be a transitional species in the evolution of each other. Example: duck flippers are kind of transition between the rear fins about the walrus and ordinary bird legs.
11. What is the exoplanet in astronomy? Tell us a little about the difficulties faced by astronomers to identify them?

To assess the "excellent" must obtain at least 7 points. Each problem is worth 1 point.

2. this is left-brain heavy stuff.we support a significantly more holistic approach towards socionics here.

3. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
1. How many combinations exist of three fingers?
11.

2. Given the message that is encoded by 5 bits. Total massages may be 2: S1 = 00 000; S2 = 11111. The probability of true transmitting one bit of information 0.9. (1) Calculate the probability that the received message will be interpreted correctly. (2) Message received S = 10000. Determine how likely the message S1 = 00 000?
0039071

3. Given a sequence of 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 ... What is this?
An elephant.

4. Write an algorithm for Pascal program that hoped to be the value function, factorial, depending on the introduced quantity of factorial. For example: Input: 5. Output: 5! = 120
Almost there, I'm coming.

5. How many of the segments can be connected by a multitude of n - of points ( the maximum possible number of segments, no three points lie on a straight line)?
9.

To assess the "excellent" must obtain at least 7 balls. Each problem is worth 1 point.
Make it marbles instead of balls.

4. So you're supposed to have an aptitude towards understanding relationships if you know what a derivative is, or do some simple combinatorics?

5. Absurd told absurd

6. Originally Posted by FDG
So you're supposed to have an aptitude towards understanding relationships if you know what a derivative is, or do some simple combinatorics?
If you want to correctly identify the types of untangling the puzzle while not having any of the properties are uniquely determined by the typical symptom - you need to understand the basics of probability theory and combinatorics. Other objectives aim to understand the other sections of Socionics.

7. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
Originally Posted by FDG
So you're supposed to have an aptitude towards understanding relationships if you know what a derivative is, or do some simple combinatorics?
If you want to correctly identify the types of untangling the puzzle while not having any of the properties are uniquely determined by the typical symptom - you need to understand the basics of probability theory and combinatorics. Other objectives aim to understand the other sections of Socionics.
I really, really don't think this approach makes sense.

8. Originally Posted by FDG
Originally Posted by Yaaroslav

If you want to correctly identify the types of untangling the puzzle while not having any of the properties are uniquely determined by the typical symptom - you need to understand the basics of probability theory and combinatorics. Other objectives aim to understand the other sections of Socionics.
I really, really don't think this approach makes sense.
This is just your pathetic IMHO

9. Of course it's my pathetic...opinion? Still, since you come on an internet forum, you're bound to hear it.

10. Originally Posted by FDG
Of course it's my pathetic...opinion? Still, since you come on an internet forum, you're bound to hear it.
I do not listen to miserable flooding. If you're against - argue your position, by the essential of arguments!

11. Socionics has nothing to do with relationships in the traditional sense, but in the mathematical sense apparently

12. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
Absurd told absurd
Yup, I said what I think again, didn't even have to think about it.

13. I think the burden of proof lies with you. You must prove how your test is even remotely connected to socionics and the study of it.

If given this as a test to study anything I would probably just assume it was some kind of joke.

14. 2 Absurd: You are telling - not thinking)))))

15. Originally Posted by Bardia
I think the burden of proof lies with you. You must prove how your test is even remotely connected to socionics and the study of it.

If given this as a test to study anything I would probably just assume it was some kind of joke.
It just proved in the message number 6

16. Originally Posted by Crispy
Socionics has nothing to do with relationships in the traditional sense, but in the mathematical sense apparently
+1

17. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
Originally Posted by Bardia
I think the burden of proof lies with you. You must prove how your test is even remotely connected to socionics and the study of it.

If given this as a test to study anything I would probably just assume it was some kind of joke.
It just proved in the message number 6
That is not a proof, moron.

Where is the initial set of axiom?
Where are the logical steps?
Where is the conclusion?

Your test seems good as an aptitude (not completely fluid, though) test for a statistics class, perhaps mathematical economics.

18. Absurd's solutions are elegant.

19. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
2 Absurd: You are telling - not thinking
That's what I said. I don't know what should I do with it. Can you tell me what I can do with it ? Ride a donkey ? Alright. Bundle of words to me, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Loki
Absurd's solutions are elegant.
Of course, I'm foolproof just like user Infematible.

Thanks.

20. Originally Posted by timewu
this is left-brain heavy stuff.we support a significantly more holistic approach towards socionics here.
lol

21. i could easily answer this if it was framed in English.

22. I use math more in knitting than I do in socionics.

23. Originally Posted by labcoat
i could easily answer this if it was framed in English.
If you have some difficulties with understanding tasks - write them. Because originally - these tasks were written in Russian, translated by Google translator, and then - edited a little by me. Perhaps I could made some mistakes. So report me if you find them

24. What the hell does knowledge of abstract mathematical relations have to do with personality?

25. Originally Posted by nil
What the hell does knowledge of abstract mathematical relations have to do with personality?
When I first learned socionics, I set up some mathematical equations to study. Here they are. (With "Dual" spelled correctly.)

Same arrangement = Identical
Reversed Colors = Contrast
Flipped Horizontally = Dual
Flip 1&2; 3&4 = Mirror
Mirror + Dual = Activation
Flip 2 & 4 = Kindred
Dual + Kindred = Semi Dual
Conflict + Dual = Quasi Identity
Flipped Vertically = Conflict
Director > Mediator = Supervisor
Supervisor + Dual = Benefactor

26. Originally Posted by nil
What the hell does knowledge of abstract mathematical relations have to do with personality?
What the hell does you do in socionics?

27. Originally Posted by Director Abbie
When I first learned socionics, I set up some mathematical equations to study. Here they are. (With "Dual" spelled correctly.)
I said personality, not socionics. Of course there is a good deal of mathematics in socionics- in not only the intertype relations, but also in the dichotomies and other facets. I actually did somewhat the same thing you did, except I used more of nested system approach, such as "the dual of my conflictor is my quasi-identical." However, I have doubts that such a neat mathematical system can actually exist in reality, and even that socionics accurately models personality, hence my first sentence.

28. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
Originally Posted by nil
What the hell does knowledge of abstract mathematical relations have to do with personality?
What the hell does you do in socionics?
We type people, discuss people's types and how they manifest in relationships, play with stereotypes, think of simpler definitions for socionics functions, laugh at obvious socionics-related interactions we see, that sort of thing.

29. Originally Posted by nil
Originally Posted by Director Abbie
When I first learned socionics, I set up some mathematical equations to study. Here they are. (With "Dual" spelled correctly.)
I said personality, not socionics. Of course there is a good deal of mathematics in socionics- in not only the intertype relations, but also in the dichotomies and other facets. I actually did somewhat the same thing you did, except I used more of nested system approach, such as "the dual of my conflictor is my quasi-identical." However, I have doubts that such a neat mathematical system can actually exist in reality, and even that socionics accurately models personality, hence my first sentence.

Doubts?
I have lots of practice - which confirms that all of it's mathematics in socionics - exists!!!
You know: everything, what did I told anyone of you just now are the "alphabets" between the real thinks what did I seen and what do I know.

30. Originally Posted by nil
Originally Posted by Director Abbie
When I first learned socionics, I set up some mathematical equations to study. Here they are. (With "Dual" spelled correctly.)
I said personality, not socionics.
Oh. Well, socionics is related to personality, and math is related to socionics. So they are related indirectly.

31. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
3. Given a sequence of 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 ... What is this? Continue range of up to 15 members of the sequence. To display a table of values.
1+1=2; 2+1=3; 2+3=5; etc.

(...)
No.

8: The relationship of matter and energy. Einstein's formula.
Ask something schoolkids haven't heard of.

10. Bring 5 examples of creatures that could be a transitional species in the evolution of each other. Example: duck flippers are kind of transition between the rear fins about the walrus and ordinary bird legs.
What kind of heresy is this? Flippers would be a duck on the way to having bat wings for feet. Sea-mammals' fins are toeless flattened feet basically. Please require anatomical evidence of similarity.

And please research reptile to mammalian jaw transition as involved in earbones formation. Or whale evolution.

To assess the "excellent" must obtain at least 7 balls.
Do they count if I wiped the blood off?

Subsidiary question: How the fuck does one quantify one's personality, something so far considered qualitative? You have two minutes.

In case of failure refer to SQAB

32. Yaaroslav, this is a brilliant way of scaring away prospective students from studying socionics!

33. It must be his ridiculous

34. Originally Posted by Maritsa33
It must be his ridiculous
No, it's his boring .

35. Anyway, I'll give it a shot.

Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
1. How many combinations exist of three fingers? (One hand, a sequence of three fingers - ignored)
Assuming you mean combination in the technical sense i.e. order does not matter, and assuming you mean "how many ways there are to choose 3 fingers out of 5", then:

n = 5! / 3! 2! = 5*4*3*2 / 3*2*2 = 10

2. Given the message that is encoded by 5 bits. Total massages may be 2: S1 = 00 000; S2 = 11111. The probability of true transmitting one bit of information 0.9. (1) Calculate the probability that the received message will be interpreted correctly. (2) Message received S = 10000. Determine how likely the message S1 = 00 000?
Uhm, supposing the probability of correctly transmitting consecutive bits does not depend on preceeding outcomes, and supposing the transmission is serial (i.e. they're transmitted sequentially), then:

1) 0,9^5 = 0,59
2) (0,9^4)*0,1= 0,0656

5. How many of the segments can be connected by a multitude of n - of points ( the maximum possible number of segments, no three points lie on a straight line)?
$s=\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}n-k$ ?

36. Originally Posted by FDG
Anyway, I'll give it a shot.

Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
1. How many combinations exist of three fingers? (One hand, a sequence of three fingers - ignored)
Assuming you mean combination in the technical sense i.e. order does not matter, and assuming you mean "how many ways there are to choose 3 fingers out of 5", then:

n = 5! / 3! 2! = 5*4*3*2 / 3*2*2 = 10
Right!
Originally Posted by FDG
Uhm, supposing the probability of correctly transmitting consecutive bits does not depend on preceeding outcomes, and supposing the transmission is serial (i.e. they're transmitted sequentially), then:

1) 0,9^5 = 0,59
2) (0,9^4)*0,1= 0,0656
Wrong!
Tip: The bits would not only transmitted but also INTERPRETED For example: if received combination 00001 then it would be interpreted as 00000
if received combination 11010 then it would be interpreted 11111. Because we have only two possible variants in this task

Originally Posted by FDG
5. How many of the segments can be connected by a multitude of n - of points ( the maximum possible number of segments, no three points lie on a straight line)?
$s=\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}n-k$ ?
write a general formula which does not require a lot of times the sum

37. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
1. How many combinations exist of three fingers? (One hand, a sequence of three fingers - ignored)
2. Given the message that is encoded by 5 bits. Total massages may be 2: S1 = 00 000; S2 = 11111. The probability of true transmitting one bit of information 0.9. (1) Calculate the probability that the received message will be INTERPRETED correctly. (2) Message received S = 10000. Determine how likely the message S1 = 00 000?
3. Given a sequence of 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 ... What is this? Continue range of up to 15 members of the sequence. To display a table of values. Compare the value and an/an-1 and (SQRT(5)+1)/2
4. Write an algorithm for Pascal program that hoped to be the value function, factorial, depending on the introduced quantity of factorial. For example: Input: 5. Output: 5! = 120
5. How many of the segments can be connected by a multitude of n - of points ( the maximum possible number of segments, no three points lie on a straight line)?
6. The concept of derivative in mathematics.
7. The law of diminishing marginal productivity (utility) in the economy.

Bonus: (score being discussed)

8: The relationship of matter and energy. Einstein's formula.

9. Compare 3 languages: English, Russian and Ukrainian. On objects: the ability to express their feelings and emotions and through them the ability to express complex business rules, algorithms, schemes and designs. Reply to justify the examples.
10. Bring 5 examples of creatures that could be a transitional species in the evolution of each other. Example: duck flippers are kind of transition between the rear fins about the walrus and ordinary bird legs.
11. What is the exoplanet in astronomy? Tell us a little about the difficulties faced by astronomers to identify them?

To assess the "excellent" must obtain at least 7 balls. Each problem is worth 1 point.
why

38. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
Wrong!
Tip: The bits would not only transmitted but also INTERPRETED For example: if received combination 00001 then it would be interpreted as 00000
if received combination 11010 then it would be interpreted 11111. Because we have only two possible variants in this task
I don't understand then how interpretation is decided - by the number of zeros or one (i.e. if zeros > ones -> 00000, otherwise 11111)? If that's the case then you only need three "correct" bits for the message to be interpreted correctly i.e. 0,9^3...

for 2) then I'd have to use Bayes theorem...l8r maybe.

39. Originally Posted by Yaaroslav
balls

Honestly though - what does any of this have to do with workable aspects of Socionics?

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