Here's a cool idea by MisterNi about temperaments that I wanted to share:
Exxp - Box Expanders
Ixxp- Box Destroyers
Exxj - Box Enforcers
Ixxj - Box Creators
What do you guys think? I think it's true generally speaking.
Here's a cool idea by MisterNi about temperaments that I wanted to share:
Exxp - Box Expanders
Ixxp- Box Destroyers
Exxj - Box Enforcers
Ixxj - Box Creators
What do you guys think? I think it's true generally speaking.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
When you realize there are no limits on dreams, imagination, and creativity, then you realize there is no box at all.
Mountain Dew, that's a very typical IP perspective, which neatly fits in what the OP was trying to say.
Not everybody is creative, imaginary or visionary or even WANTS or desires to be. Not everybody is an artist. Some people are just business-y hardworker types and I guess that's okay. Some people are a mixture. Some people are just pure one way or another. A lot of kinds in this world huh.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What's a "box" supposed to be?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
this makes Exxjs sound like douchebags and Ixxjs like the douchebag Elite.Also,box destroyers sounds funny for Ixxps.Well,maybe if they sit on boxes and won't get up,sure.
"box expanders" sounds negative since i automatically perceive the box as something limiting.Indeed,Ne/Se leadings do not always fathom what exactly they try to expand and its real impact on the COSMOS,but it's all in the glorious game of creation so its ok.
First off, thanks for posting this Traveler. An idea from the chatbox has finally made its way into a forum post.
The "box" are logical or ethical rules that society imposes on the individual which are either deemed acceptable or unacceptable behavior. So the natural types to create these frameworks would be the types with or as their dominant function which is why the Ixxj are the box creators. They create the boundaries or the framework. ie: the Box.
The ExxP on the other hand realize that the framework provided by the IxxJ is valid and consistent with their worldview but in its original form is much too limiting and thus strive to push the boundaries of the original framework due to their worldview and often expansively broad perception or . The Exxp creates breathing room within the boundaries. ie: expanding the Box.
The Exxj understands that people aren't just going to adhere to the framework without someone either enticing people to follow the framework either through incentives, persuasion, coercion, force etc etc. They're the best suited for this due to the extroverted nature of their dominant function and . The sensibility of their methods or message just plain makes sense. ie: they enforce the Box.
The Ixxp realizes that this framework is somewhat arbitrary in nature and thus actively attempts to reduce the effects, if not actively attempting to destroy, the framework that keeps the individual bound from complete freedom. and is sharply perceptive to the flaws of the framework and can navigate, easily exploit the flaws, or if necessary pick it apart piece-by-piece. ie: they either improve, maintain or destroy the Box.
So yes, the Box is metaphorical but using metaphors was the only way to explain what I was trying to say with something that would be a common theme across all of the quadras.
DISCLAIMER: This is still very much a raw idea and definitely needs further refining.
EDIT: Made a slight edit to the Ixxp paragraph.
Last edited by MisterNi; 07-12-2011 at 06:34 PM.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
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IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
I just kinda do stuff - whether it falls inside or outside any specific "box" (there are many) doesn't matter much to me in and of itself, unless the box really needs to be annihilated, or just to be allowed the right conditions to dissolve...
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did i imply that i agree with the idea?is war what you want ?
those titles are pretty generic.like,this concept already exists but it is presented as some epiphany in this thread.
plus,everyone more or less expands,creates,destroys and enforces his/her own boxes (as in limitations) but the degree up to which those actions are applied do not really give us the right to establish those titles about temperaments .those pompous "elemental" temperament concepts should be kept loose if not called into question.
Seems Exxp to me.Originally Posted by woofwoofl
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Yes, you're probably right in a way but your post kind of melts into one long run-on sentence so I'll try to break it up into discrete bits.
Agreeing with someone is considered an act of war? .
OK, well I didn't search the forum or the net to double check if it's a completely original idea/concept but lets just say Traveler got the ball rolling and I've collated, collected and gussied it for your reading pleasure.those titles are pretty generic.like,this concept already exists but it is presented as some epiphany in this thread.
Yes of course. People don't always fit neatly into specific roles and there's going to be a lot of overlap between the temperaments but each temperament should have specific strengths that should played to instead of ignored and potentially ignoring your strengths.plus,everyone more or less expands,creates,destroys and enforces his/her own boxes (as in limitations) but the degree up to which those actions are applied do not really give us the right to establish those titles about temperaments.
Pompous? Keeping it loose? Nice choice of words. lolthose pompous "elemental" temperament concepts should be kept loose if not called into question.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
Of course you ejs and ijs don't like it, but thats how it is. I get shit everyday for not being an Ij or Ej member of society who is a preditable workaholic box stuffer. I understand the need for box creation, but too much of anything is bad. Thus dynamic Ips and box expanding Eps. Suck on deez nutz.
hey don't make fun of my english.
jughead,i dread pushy job environments ,too.however i understand why people try to make the best out of their employees since capitalism allows it.besides,money=security/best services in this political system so pressure has to do with whether your boss feels secure enough or not.
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What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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jughead there are plenty of irrationals with jobs lol
what do you get shit for EVERY DAY? ive been criticized for not working hard enough when i was working my ass off and told i'm working too hard when i feel like i'm slacking off so i don't think it even has much to do with what i actually do but more about how much shit in or out of my control is being taken care of and how people feel about me.
Cas? He's joking.
In any case, the idea that j = follower is nuts.
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Tough crowd.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Except now it seems you've changed your type to SLE.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
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Thanks for the feedback octopuslove! I meant to use the base function, that is, the leading function for each of the temperaments since those should be the strongest and most easily used for any particular person.Originally Posted by Octopuslove
Writing solely from the perspective of Ji gives an over-precedence on Ji IMO especially considering that Ji needs Je and vice versa and Pi needs Pe and vice versa. So as for your points:
Ok, then instead of calling them box expanders what would you suggest?XLE - Ti-creative - I guess the creative function could be interpreted as expansive, due to its greater flexibility than the base function? "Expander" might not be the best term here though, since I don't think it's used with the primary purpose of expansion.
The other option is XEE - Ti-PoLR. I guess they expand the box by trying to prove its foundations are false using Te? Not sure which one works better.
OK, how about "upholding"?I don't really agree with this one. Ti is either DS or ignoring function in Ejs, neither of which can really be described by "enforcing".
Cool, thanks.I think this is a reasonable description of how the demonstrative function can work.The Ixxp realizes that this framework is somewhat arbitrary in nature and thus actively attempts to reduce the effects, if not actively attempting to destroy, the framework that keeps the individual bound from complete freedom. and is sharply perceptive to the flaws of the framework and can navigate, easily exploit the flaws, or if necessary pick it apart piece-by-piece. ie: they either improve, maintain or destroy the Box.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some and role lovin too. () I too...
!!!!!!
Last edited by Raver; 07-13-2011 at 04:38 AM.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5