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    Here is how I see Delta and how I understand what the socionists were trying to say objectively, and why it sort of 'clashes' with my own life view and philosophy. I'm not trying to attack anybody or be an asshole with this btw, this is how I just see things and why I think that the description is pretty accurate.

    BTW, I doubt we have too many people that are even Delta on these boards. Seriously. I think a lot of Deltas are mistyped as some sort of Alpha or Gamma type. This place is littered with mostly Alphas, a few Betas- some Gammas. If it was heavy Delta, I doubt that I would like going on here so much, I get sort of addicted. =p

    Anyway here is my analysis. Feel free to agree or disagree:

    To me, Deltas are the type of people who tend to have strong conservative christian values. They're like the people at Starr Commonwealth. Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'

    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.

    They work hard and have great moral work ethics about ummm working. =p And they like to share long moral conversations at dinner, about how so and so was being wrong or right. The fact that they might emotionally ruin the person in the process of doing so, doesn't really bother them. Not that they're sociopathic or cruel, they're just the conservative type of people who believe in that sort of stuff.

    They tend to be Republican, and so somebody 'going their own way' too much is annoying for them. They're the type of people that get really seriously offended and upset at Hollywood, for example.

    They like to have strong conversations about objective humanitarian principals. Subjective emotional moral values, they're not concerned with much at all. And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta. Both groups find each other so morally off putting because the Beta is ignoring the objective morals for the individual, and the Delta is ignoring the individual person's emotions for the 'greater good.'

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    lollll, way to stereotype...

    yeah that's why steve colbert is SLI... his staunch conservative christian values and republicanism...

    There are plenty of deltas here, you just need to seriously re-evaluate your interpretation of quadra values and how they manifest.
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    MISTYPED DELTAS VS. DELTAS WHO ARE ACTUALLY INDEED, DELTAS.

    Maritsa: Not an INFj. Most likely an INFp actually.

    Galen: Not an ENFp. Most likely an ISFp.

    Slacker Mom: Not an ENFp. Most likely an ESFp.

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    Diana: Diana was a Delta here, most likely. INFj.

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    Of course it's stereotypical but it's an intertype relationship theory explaining why certain people get along or don't.

    *sigh*

    I suppose it's only natural and human to say 'well so and so isn't so bad' but if you're saying that, then they probably weren't even in an opposing quadra to begin with....
    Or you can just say 'socionics is gay.' =p

    *shrug* Just some ideas and stuff to think about, though.

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    if you want to have an archetype in your mind of the sort of person you clash with and name it "delta" i guess its not the end of the world. i just hope you dont assume that anybody who identifies with delta in general would identify with how you describe it.

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    am i delta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Here is how I see Delta and how I understand what the socionists were trying to say objectively, and why it sort of 'clashes' with my own life view and philosophy. I'm not trying to attack anybody or be an asshole with this btw, this is how I just see things and why I think that the description is pretty accurate.

    BTW, I doubt we have too many people that are even Delta on these boards. Seriously. I think a lot of Deltas are mistyped as some sort of Alpha or Gamma type. This place is littered with mostly Alphas, a few Betas- some Gammas. If it was heavy Delta, I doubt that I would like going on here so much, I get sort of addicted. =p

    Anyway here is my analysis. Feel free to agree or disagree:

    To me, Deltas are the type of people who tend to have strong conservative christian values. They're like the people at Starr Commonwealth. Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'

    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.

    They work hard and have great moral work ethics about ummm working. =p And they like to share long moral conversations at dinner, about how so and so was being wrong or right. The fact that they might emotionally ruin the person in the process of doing so, doesn't really bother them. Not that they're sociopathic or cruel, they're just the conservative type of people who believe in that sort of stuff.

    They tend to be Republican, and so somebody 'going their own way' too much is annoying for them. They're the type of people that get really seriously offended and upset at Hollywood, for example.

    They like to have strong conversations about objective humanitarian principals. Subjective emotional moral values, they're not concerned with much at all. And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta. Both groups find each other so morally off putting because the Beta is ignoring the objective morals for the individual, and the Delta is ignoring the individual person's emotions for the 'greater good.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.
    That means Galen has to choose between turning either straight or Alpha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    if you want to have an archetype in your mind of the sort of person you clash with and name it "delta" i guess its not the end of the world. i just hope you dont assume that anybody who identifies with delta in general would identify with how you describe it.
    yeah well put.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    To me, Deltas are the type of people who tend to have strong conservative christian values. They're like the people at Starr Commonwealth. Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'
    Nope

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.
    god shut up

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    They work hard and have great moral work ethics about ummm working. =p And they like to share long moral conversations at dinner, about how so and so was being wrong or right. The fact that they might emotionally ruin the person in the process of doing so, doesn't really bother them. Not that they're sociopathic or cruel, they're just the conservative type of people who believe in that sort of stuff.
    Nope

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    They tend to be Republican, and so somebody 'going their own way' too much is annoying for them. They're the type of people that get really seriously offended and upset at Hollywood, for example.
    What does "being upset at Hollywood" even mean? Also nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    They like to have strong conversations about objective humanitarian principals. Subjective emotional moral values, they're not concerned with much at all. And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta. Both groups find each other so morally off putting because the Beta is ignoring the objective morals for the individual, and the Delta is ignoring the individual person's emotions for the 'greater good.'
    All moral values are subjective. It's just that Fi 'morality' can sound like it's speaking objectively to Fe, in the same way that Ti valuing sounds like it's speaking objectively about its analyses to Te. So nope.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Here is how I see Delta and how I understand what the socionists were trying to say objectively, and why it sort of 'clashes' with my own life view and philosophy. I'm not trying to attack anybody or be an asshole with this btw, this is how I just see things and why I think that the description is pretty accurate.

    BTW, I doubt we have too many people that are even Delta on these boards. Seriously. I think a lot of Deltas are mistyped as some sort of Alpha or Gamma type. This place is littered with mostly Alphas, a few Betas- some Gammas. If it was heavy Delta, I doubt that I would like going on here so much, I get sort of addicted. =p

    Anyway here is my analysis. Feel free to agree or disagree:

    To me, Deltas are the type of people who tend to have strong conservative christian values. They're like the people at Starr Commonwealth. Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'

    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.

    They work hard and have great moral work ethics about ummm working. =p And they like to share long moral conversations at dinner, about how so and so was being wrong or right. The fact that they might emotionally ruin the person in the process of doing so, doesn't really bother them. Not that they're sociopathic or cruel, they're just the conservative type of people who believe in that sort of stuff.

    They tend to be Republican, and so somebody 'going their own way' too much is annoying for them. They're the type of people that get really seriously offended and upset at Hollywood, for example.

    They like to have strong conversations about objective humanitarian principals. Subjective emotional moral values, they're not concerned with much at all. And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta. Both groups find each other so morally off putting because the Beta is ignoring the objective morals for the individual, and the Delta is ignoring the individual person's emotions for the 'greater good.'
    Not this Delta. I do believe in Community (at arms length), but everyone is part of the community. I'm not into authority, or social organizations (religion). Having said that, I do understand that I'm a stick-in-the-mud compared to most Beta types. But I don't think SLI or IEEs for that matter are interested in controling anybody.
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    I'm sorry B&D. and all that, but no we are not all conservative christians and republicans, but a long shot. I know lots of very liberal delta people, myself and my husband included.

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    Oh, I just noticed you type me as SEE! How interesting! I don't ever get type discussions about me.
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    Long morality conversations at dinnertime? How boring.

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    I think deltas like individuality, just in a different way to betas. Deltas are fine with individuality that doesn't impose on others (the "community" if you like), whereas beta individuality tends to often be about impacting on others. In my experience delta homophobia is mainly directed at in-your-face stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Here is how I see Delta and how I understand what the socionists were trying to say objectively, and why it sort of 'clashes' with my own life view and philosophy. I'm not trying to attack anybody or be an asshole with this btw, this is how I just see things and why I think that the description is pretty accurate........
    From a more european perspetive, I can understand some Americans would feel like this about Deltas. But Deltas are much more than this, even though you got some basics right. Deltas tend to value moral perfectionism, even if they are political leftists and advocate such things as legalisation of cannabis use, or same-sex marriage. It's the style that matters, not the content.

    Perhaps your view on Deltas is very much influenced by the lasting effects of historic events, i.e. the emigration of large numbers of 'fundamentalist' Deltas from North-Western Europe to the Americas in the 17th century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'
    Oh really? Whole post is BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    I think deltas like individuality, just in a different way to betas. Deltas are fine with individuality that doesn't impose on others (the "community" if you like), whereas beta individuality tends to often be about impacting on others. In my experience delta homophobia is mainly directed at in-your-face stuff.
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    Maritsa's Hidden agenda absolutely can not be Ti. Maybe Te. Maybe. Exfp makes much more sense than Ixfp, but i can see how she might have typed herself correctly also. Go figure. Infj

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    I think deltas like individuality, just in a different way to betas. Deltas are fine with individuality that doesn't impose on others (the "community" if you like), whereas beta individuality tends to often be about impacting on others. In my experience delta homophobia is mainly directed at in-your-face stuff.
    This is true, thanks for describing that nuance.
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    Well, I make a shitty Delta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta.
    Let's clash.

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    To me, Deltas are the type of people who tend to have strong conservative christian values. They're like the people at Starr Commonwealth. Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'

    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.

    They work hard and have great moral work ethics about ummm working. =p And they like to share long moral conversations at dinner, about how so and so was being wrong or right. The fact that they might emotionally ruin the person in the process of doing so, doesn't really bother them. Not that they're sociopathic or cruel, they're just the conservative type of people who believe in that sort of stuff.

    They tend to be Republican, and so somebody 'going their own way' too much is annoying for them. They're the type of people that get really seriously offended and upset at Hollywood, for example.

    They like to have strong conversations about objective humanitarian principals. Subjective emotional moral values, they're not concerned with much at all. And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta. Both groups find each other so morally off putting because the Beta is ignoring the objective morals for the individual, and the Delta is ignoring the individual person's emotions for the 'greater good.'
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    MISTYPED DELTAS VS. DELTAS WHO ARE ACTUALLY INDEED, DELTAS.

    Maritsa: Not an INFj. Most likely an INFp actually.

    Galen: Not an ENFp. Most likely an ISFp.

    Slacker Mom: Not an ENFp. Most likely an ESFp.

    Director Abbie: I agree, she's ESTj or INFj.
    You know, I see yourself INFj. I strongly recommend to stop bullshiting on delta, cuz you are close to enter into our circle
    If you see maritsa as INFp, so you identify maritsa with yourself, im sad to announce that you INFJ. Because maritsa INFj.
    haha.
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    B&D, I kinda like you, but then you go and make stupid posts like this. Even on a stereotypical level, its not really functionally accurate. Your typing's for those members are also outlandish, its hilarious how disconnected from reality you are
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    This isn't delta at all. If anything I'd say you just made a description of XSEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    This isn't delta at all. If anything I'd say you just made a description of XSEs.
    Frankly, when I read the description, ISTjs came to my mind.

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    ISTJ are notorious for sharing value/conservative view affirmation when discussing ?? Its the second time I see this and dont understand WHY;
    Isnt this more ISFJ ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Anyway here is my analysis. Feel free to agree or disagree:
    lol okay then

    To me, Deltas are the type of people who tend to have strong conservative christian values. They're like the people at Starr Commonwealth. Emotional connection between two individuals isn't nearly as important as what is 'good for the community.'
    I'm pretty sure emotional connection between two individuals doesn't belong to either Fi or Fe.

    Neither is 'good for the community'; actually Betas often believe in Good and Evil and can have their own conception of what is good for a community based on that and Deltas have more of a preconceived notion of ethics that gets them flustered if people start acting too ethically bold or rash in their behavior and treatment towards one another.

    I honestly think it's more along the philosophical lines of Beta feeling harmed or ethically vulnerable to those around them and acting from that, while Delta feels ethical norms are implied between each other and is the foundation that keeps society running.

    Although completely well-meaning, and not at all done out of hatred and fear, they're more likely the type of people who think that being gay is something that can and should be cured through therapy.
    lolwat

    They work hard and have great moral work ethics about ummm working. =p And they like to share long moral conversations at dinner, about how so and so was being wrong or right. The fact that they might emotionally ruin the person in the process of doing so, doesn't really bother them. Not that they're sociopathic or cruel, they're just the conservative type of people who believe in that sort of stuff.
    You're not really describing anything here to talk about other than a pure opinion.

    They tend to be Republican, and so somebody 'going their own way' too much is annoying for them. They're the type of people that get really seriously offended and upset at Hollywood, for example.
    lol, this isn't type related. Deltas have more of an idea of ethical structure and duties, but that doesn't mean they are against people 'going their own way'. In fact, LSE/SLI are pretty much 'going their own way' kind of people, despite their sometimes misplaced work ethic and loyalties.

    They like to have strong conversations about objective humanitarian principals. Subjective emotional moral values, they're not concerned with much at all. And that's the primary clash between Beta and Delta. Both groups find each other so morally off putting because the Beta is ignoring the objective morals for the individual, and the Delta is ignoring the individual person's emotions for the 'greater good.'
    I think you just made up some new terms. Philosophically speaking, there is no objective morality. It's shaky ground to try to identify such a thing and apply that to a quadra where such a correlation is going to vastly underestimate the complexity of ethical motivations and behaviors.
    Last edited by DividedsGhost; 07-04-2011 at 09:58 PM.

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