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    I'm sure this has been done before, but it's interesting to think about anyways. Let's match which personalities are more likely to have a psychological disorder. I'll try to bring up my own ideas, but you guys can put your own as well. I know some of you will think this shouldn't be correlated with type, but I'm sure some types are more likely to get it. That doesn't mean that only that certain type can get it. 25% of people have personality disorders so I think it's worth talking about.


    Narcissistic Personality Disorder - LIE, ILE

    Borderline Personality Disorder - SEE, ESE

    Social Anxiety Disorder - IEE, IEI

    Bipolar disorder - IEE, SEE

    Antisocial Personality Disorder - SLE, SLI

    Histrionic Personality Disorder - IEE, SEE

    Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ESE, LSE

    Schizoid personality disorder - ILI, LII

    Schizotypal personality disorder - ILI, IEI

    Dependent personality disorder - ???

    Avoidant personality disorder - ???

    Paranoid personality disorder - LSI, ESI


    A lot of these are just guesses, so please don't take them to heart. If you have an idea of what fits better, feel free to post.
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    Bipolar would also be associated to EII (inward flow of emotions in any chaotic disorder of it may result in serious psychological consequences) Fi related, I assume.
    Narcissistic to LSE (those who love to be and have control)
    OCD would be to SEI and SLI
    Paranoid would be to SLE and LSI; SEE as well; mostly in association with Se.
    Antisocial would go to ESE and LSE as well as some SLI

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    Alpha
    ENTp
    Personality Disorder: Compensatory Narcissistic
    Basic Belief: I must attain a position of distinction or merit.
    Strategy: Pretension.
    ISFp
    Personality Disorder: Cyclothymic
    Basic Belief: I must escape from painful feelings and thoughts.
    Strategy: Mastery through expertise.
    ESFj
    Personality Disorder: Masochistic
    Basic Belief: I need others to need me.
    Strategy: Submission
    INTj
    Personality Disorder: Schizotypal
    Basic Belief: I need to consider only my own views; I must not be influenced by anyone.
    Strategy: Eccentric thinking.
    Beta
    ENFj
    Personality Disorder: Obsessive-Compulsive
    Basic Belief: Errors are bad. I must not error.
    Strategy: Perfectionism
    ISTj
    Personality Disorder: Depressive
    Basic Belief: I am bad; nothing is pleasurable; there is no hope.
    Strategy: Withdrawal.
    ESTp
    Personality Disorder: Narcissistic
    Basic Belief: I am special.
    Strategy: Self-aggrandizement
    INFp
    Personality Disorder: Histrionic
    Basic Belief: I need to impress.
    Strategy: Dramatics
    Gamma
    ESFp
    Personality Disorder: Borderline
    Basic Belief: Other people must satisfy my needs.
    Strategy: Relationship change.
    INTp
    Personality Disorder: Schizoid
    Basic Belief: I need plenty of space.
    Strategy: Isolation
    ENTj
    Personality Disorder: Sadistic
    Basic Belief: I need power over others.
    Strategy: Dominance.
    ISFj
    Personality Disorder: Dependent
    Basic Belief: I am helpless.
    Strategy: Attachment
    Delta
    ESTj
    Personality Disorder: Passive-Aggressive
    Basic Belief: I could be stepped on.
    Strategy: Resistance
    INFj
    Personality Disorder: Avoidant
    Basic Belief: I may get hurt.
    Strategy: Avoidance
    ENFp
    Personality Disorder: Paranoid
    Basic Belief: People are potential adversaries.
    Strategy: Wariness
    ISTp
    Personality Disorder: Antisocial
    Basic Belief: People are there to be taken.
    Strategy: Attack

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    these are the ones I've actually seen with what I assumed their type was, not inclusive by any measure:

    Narcissistic Personality Disorder - ILE
    Borderline Personality Disorder - IEI, IEE, SEE
    Bipolar disorder - EII, ESI
    Antisocial Personality Disorder - SLE, ILE
    Histrionic Personality Disorder - SLE, EIE
    Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - in terms of OCD behavior IPs and EJs, but from what I know some Ji-leading complain about OCD thoughts
    Schizoid personality disorder - introvert irrational
    Schizotypal personality disorder - introvert rational
    Dependent personality disorder - EII
    Social Anxiety Disorder / Avoidant personality disorder - seems a wide variety of types get diagnosed with these ones
    Paranoid personality disorder - SLI, ILI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aware View Post
    Borderline Personality Disorder - SEE, ESE [I have a friend who was diagnosed with borderline PD, I type her EIE]

    Bipolar disorder - IEE, SEE [IEE and EIE, IMO]

    Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ESE, LSE [the description of it sounds smore like XSI]

    Dependent personality disorder - ??? [SEI - I read something written by Aushra regarding this, too, IIRC she included ESE as a lighter version]

    Avoidant personality disorder - ??? [SEI for sure]

    Paranoid personality disorder - LSI, ESI [definitely not, paranoia is related to internal assumptions, function-related that would be N and F. Stalin was not paranoid either.]
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    I can relate to Avoidant personality disorder and to a lesser degree Dependent P.D., but I don't want to say that this is necessarily an EII thing since I think how I was raised lead to the feelings of inadequacy, although I can see how type can contribute to these fears to a certain extent
    I've noticed that getting away from toxic relationships and finding people you can relate to and appreciate you can affect a persons self-worth significantly

    btw I agree with siuntal that Histrionic Personality Disorder is likely more of a stereotype of EIE and to an extent SLE and Antisocial P.D. is more a stereotype of Fi PoLR gone overboard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
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    Personality Disorder: Paranoid
    Basic Belief: People are potential adversaries.
    Strategy: Wariness
    ENFPs, what do you think of that? do you have a tendency for being paranoid? Seems a bit strange at 1st glance, but some enfps here identify themselves as enneagram 6, maybe there's sth to it?

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    Note that ptypes is not Socionics. Basically different types, although some things coincide here and there.
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    This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder. A psychological disorder occurs due to genetics or environment. I have bipolar and social anxiety as well. Their is a huge misconception that only introverts can have social anxiety, this isn't true. I have met many people that have the same disorders that I have and they have been all of the types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder. A psychological disorder occurs due to genetics or environment. I have bipolar and social anxiety as well. Their is a huge misconception that only introverts can have social anxiety, this isn't true. I have met many people that have the same disorders that I have and they have been all of the types.
    there are many kinds of psychological disorders. the 1st post refers to personality disorders, which are different from anxiety disorders or mood disorders that you mentioned. it's a completely different (though controversial) group according to psychological classifications (not according to p-types ) . they are sth that is connected with personality as more or less stable structure, which in this case is considered disordered because it's too inflexible and too much of a "type".

    still you could argue if sth like personality exists at all and if it does, which system describes it the most adequately (psychological big Five, socionics, mbti, ennagram or any other) or how different systems complement and fit with each other but the idea of personality disorders makes it type -related.

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    Narcissistic Personality Disorder - ENTJ, ESTJ
    malignant narcissism : INFj, ISFj

    >> this two are extensively interessting to read about, cuz u indirectely understand the romantic relation beetween TeXXFi and FiXXTe. Gamma quadra most likely (ISFJ/ENTJ)

    Borderline Personality Disorder - Fe dom, Fe second sx variant, Fi dom sx variant, Fi second.

    Social Anxiety Disorder - perhaps introvert in general ?

    Bipolar disorder - ???? a paper ive read said Se dom possible. I know too IRL an INXj who have it.

    Antisocial Personality Disorder - SLE, SLI ok

    Histrionic Personality Disorder - Fe

    Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ?????? rationnal

    Schizoid personality disorder - impossible to say like this - I would say ILI are those who fit the most

    Schizotypal personality disorder - ILI, IEI ok, at least reading PD description, but not really sure.

    Dependent personality disorder - ???

    Avoidant personality disorder - IEI, EII (most likely EII) perhaps Si dom too. IEI from what ive read is more on the dramatic like behavior (histrionic, borderline). There are more likely to have disorder from cluster B/A than C.

    Paranoid personality disorder - ???????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aware View Post
    Narcissistic Personality Disorder - LIE, ILE I know an LSE and ESI

    Borderline Personality Disorder - SEE, ESE seems right

    Social Anxiety Disorder - IEE, IEI introverts?

    Bipolar disorder - IEE, SEE IEE, i've no clue about other types

    Antisocial Personality Disorder - SLE, SLI yep probably most common

    Histrionic Personality Disorder - IEE, SEE hmm no. I know an EIE who has this

    Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ESE, LSE most common is LSI

    Schizoid personality disorder - ILI, LII exactly

    Schizotypal personality disorder - ILI, IEI yep probably, maybe LII too

    Dependent personality disorder - ??? maybe ESI, EII

    Avoidant personality disorder - ???

    Paranoid personality disorder - LSI, ESI LSI most likely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder.
    you write a bunch of crap.

    schizoid personality is correlated directly to ILI and LII.

    According to a survey 45% was ILI, 50% LII, 5% other.

    So don't give bullshit if you haven't investigated the matter or only know of 1 example.


    Most personality disorders are well correlated to some type or temperament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    schizoid personality is correlated directly to ILI and LII.

    According to a survey 45% was ILI, 50% LII, 5% other.
    what survey is that? do you have a link to its description? were there other disorders involved too?

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    I dont doubt a correlation but I'm pretty skeptical of such a high number. Rarely in psychology do you find such high correlations. I'd like to see what the survey looked like and who published it (socionics magazine). I dont know how they'd control for the schizoid personality disorder traits skewing the behavioral self report that socionics tests use. The whole point of the socionics test is to draw inferences on thought processes based on behavior.. but if the behavior is definitionally "introverted" in nature (i.e. schizoid), it's sort of circular that they would end up typed as introverts.

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    This thread is really negative and depressing. Labels being thrown on top of labels... all classifying yourselves, limiting yourselves... when will you break away from it all?

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    I think it depends on what the psychological disorder is in terms of its prevalence. For example, social anxiety disorder is probably the kind of psychological disorder that I bet probably more than half of the types are capable of having. Then there's schizoid or schizotypal which is almost exclusively LII or ILI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    This thread is really negative and depressing. Labels being thrown on top of labels... all classifying yourselves, limiting yourselves... when will you break away from it all?
    THis is a socionics forum you jackass. What do you think a word is? It is a defined boundary. Should we just stop speaking? Should psychology throw the DSM-V into the trash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    This thread is really negative and depressing. Labels being thrown on top of labels... all classifying yourselves, limiting yourselves... when will you break away from it all?
    Then what is the point of this forum? We might as well just say we're all equal and throw away personality types as well because they are a form of classifying and limiting ourselves.

    The whole point of these labels is to understand yourself and nothing more. A lot of people are messed up in one way or another. Of course in the other hand you don't want people to be categorized as labels, but we're categorizing labels through other labels so I fail to see the harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aware View Post
    storm of pitifully weak Ti, even weaker than the norm for IEEs
    DSM-V is gonna be remembered as a joke. Many of the personality disorders mentioned in it will be replaced, long term, by the supersocion theory. In fact, they tried to go deeper with the disorders for psychotic disorder, but they ran into the small problem of realizing that many of the people involved in the DSM-V project itself were, how to say... less than sane. Obviously no consensus can emerge when the parties involved are fearful of its conclusion -- they will disagree and extreme civilarians will charge that no definite conclusion can be drawn. This is why psychology is not respected as a science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Aware View Post
    storm of pitifully weak Ti, even weaker than the norm for IEEs
    DSM-V is gonna be remembered as a joke. Many of the personality disorders mentioned in it will be replaced, long term, by the supersocion theory. In fact, they tried to go deeper with the disorders for psychotic disorder, but they ran into the small problem of realizing that many of the people involved in the DSM-V project itself were, how to say... less than sane. Obviously no consensus can emerge when the parties involved are fearful of its conclusion -- they will disagree and extreme civilarians will charge that no definite conclusion can be drawn. This is why psychology is not respected as a science.
    I think you're mostly likely right, but you don't have to be a rude jackass about it.

    I'm aware of the faults of psychiatry and the fact that 25% of people have a psychological disorder is most troubling. It makes you think, is there something wrong with the people or perhaps the system of psychiatry itself? I agree that psychiatry could be used as a way to control people and make those that are different feel insecure and require some medication to become "normal". However, the point of this thread is merely to link the psychological disorders and socionics, it is not about recognizing the relevance of psychological disorders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder.
    I don't think so, maybe *some* of them can be had by any type. "Personality disorder" is a broad term which may cover behavioral traits related to a large number of factors, including TR and NTR, there's not rule to attest your claim. There are PDs that simply can't be attached to a certain type, for instance it is pretty clear that you can't type a bipolar-affected to XLI, the personality traits are simply contradictory - eg. factual and emotionally stable personality of Te-Creative VS the radical changes of view based on mood of bipolars. I also think that elements of type traits can be found more or less among the symptoms of certain personality disorders.
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