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    Default Shy Extraverts and Social Introverts

    Just saw pianosinger's thread about unimaginative intuitives and imaginative sensors and thought it would be a good idea to start a thread about this.

    There are some extraverts that can be shy and can appear introverted and usually they tend to be intuitives. Also there are introverts that can be talkative and can appear extraverted and usually they tend to be sensors.

    Anyways, I think this is why it can make it more difficult to type yourself because then you have to look at the functions to figure out what you really are rather than your social behaviour, and in the end functions are merely metaphorical representations of actual cognitive functions.
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    I can appear shy when around ESEs.

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    ESFp and ESFj are more introverted than others E
    hmm Extroverted introverts can be ISFj

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    Note that socionics introtim/extrotim has little to do with the vernacular usage of introversion/extroversion.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...haracteristics

    A common misconception, also compounded by some interpretations of MBTI or even of Jung's typology, is that extratims are extraverted as in "socially outgoing", and intratims are introverted as in "socially reserved".
    Roughly speaking, Jung's interpretation of extroversion/introversion is:

    Extroversion- Oriented predominately by the outer world, with psychic energy tending to flow outward.
    Introversion- Oriented predominately by the inner "world", with psychic energy tending to flow inward.

    It has also been regarded as objective/subjective and object/relation. At any rate, it is so that orientation of the psychic energy does not create hard lines of outgoing/reserved, so outgoing introverts/reserved extroverts is perfectly feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    Note that socionics introtim/extrotim has little to do with the vernacular usage of introversion/extroversion.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...haracteristics

    A common misconception, also compounded by some interpretations of MBTI or even of Jung's typology, is that extratims are extraverted as in "socially outgoing", and intratims are introverted as in "socially reserved".
    Roughly speaking, Jung's interpretation of extroversion/introversion is:

    Extroversion- Oriented predominately by the outer world, with psychic energy tending to flow outward.
    Introversion- Oriented predominately by the inner "world", with psychic energy tending to flow inward.

    It has also been regarded as objective/subjective and object/relation. At any rate, it is so that orientation of the psychic energy does not create hard lines of outgoing/reserved, so outgoing introverts/reserved extroverts is perfectly feasible.
    Yes

    I find Delta Extratims to be the least extroverted out of all Extratims in general, and Beta Introtims to be the most outgoing of all Introtims in general, though SEIs are pretty outgoing at times... I get a bit less outgoing in winter months, and that's probably due to the change of seasons...

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    ESFp and ESFj are more introverted than others E
    this is supposed to read the exact opposite way, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    Note that socionics introtim/extrotim has little to do with the vernacular usage of introversion/extroversion.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...haracteristics

    A common misconception, also compounded by some interpretations of MBTI or even of Jung's typology, is that extratims are extraverted as in "socially outgoing", and intratims are introverted as in "socially reserved".
    Roughly speaking, Jung's interpretation of extroversion/introversion is:

    Extroversion- Oriented predominately by the outer world, with psychic energy tending to flow outward.
    Introversion- Oriented predominately by the inner "world", with psychic energy tending to flow inward.

    It has also been regarded as objective/subjective and object/relation. At any rate, it is so that orientation of the psychic energy does not create hard lines of outgoing/reserved, so outgoing introverts/reserved extroverts is perfectly feasible.
    I'm aware of this, but it can be trickier to determine if an introvert was shaped at young childhood to be more energized by the outer world, and an extrovert was pressured at young childhood to be more energized by the inner world. I guess you could say these people are at the cusp as a result of the environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    ESFp and ESFj are more introverted than others E
    this is supposed to read the exact opposite way, right?
    big mistake from me, time to go sleep


    here I found quite interesting information
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ht=extraverted

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungAndAware View Post
    I'm aware of this, but it can be trickier to determine if an introvert was shaped at young childhood to be more energized by the outer world, and an extrovert was pressured at young childhood to be more energized by the inner world. I guess you could say these people are at the cusp as a result of the environment.
    I have little doubt that personality is shaped by both inborn tendencies and environmental interference but I can't be sure to what extent. At any rate, I understand what you are saying, but you specifically mentioned "shy extroverts" and "social introverts". Perhaps I am wrong, but I'm not sure if orientation by outer or inner world can be related to shyness or sociability. That is, I'm not sure if an introvert being socially outgoing will indicate that he is more shaped by the outer world as you are saying here. It could be that he is still shaped by the inner world as much as any other introvert, and he is just more outgoing. Is the gradation of introversion/extroversion tied to the level of sociability one portrays? Eh, maybe, but even still, one shouldn't judge introversion/extroversion by whether he is shy or outgoing.

    Gulenko, it seems, believes that the level of sociability an individual has is more related to subtype. I'm not sure if I believe that, and I certainly don't agree with making even more dichotomies, but here it is. Contact/Distance, he calls it.

    The post pianosinger posted that Anglas linked to might also be valuable, but still not 100% accurate in all cases.

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    I've noticed that a number of LSI I know tend to be social, or at least far more social than myself and most LII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by YoungAndAware View Post
    I'm aware of this, but it can be trickier to determine if an introvert was shaped at young childhood to be more energized by the outer world, and an extrovert was pressured at young childhood to be more energized by the inner world. I guess you could say these people are at the cusp as a result of the environment.
    I have little doubt that personality is shaped by both inborn tendencies and environmental interference but I can't be sure to what extent. At any rate, I understand what you are saying, but you specifically mentioned "shy extroverts" and "social introverts". Perhaps I am wrong, but I'm not sure if orientation by outer or inner world can be related to shyness or sociability. That is, I'm not sure if an introvert being socially outgoing will indicate that he is more shaped by the outer world as you are saying here. It could be that he is still shaped by the inner world as much as any other introvert, and he is just more outgoing. Is the gradation of introversion/extroversion tied to the level of sociability one portrays? Eh, maybe, but even still, one shouldn't judge introversion/extroversion by whether he is shy or outgoing.

    Gulenko, it seems, believes that the level of sociability an individual has is more related to subtype. I'm not sure if I believe that, and I certainly don't agree with making even more dichotomies, but here it is. Contact/Distance, he calls it.

    The post pianosinger posted that Anglas linked to might also be valuable, but still not 100% accurate in all cases.
    I agree with you on the fact that sociability and extraversion/introversion are not necessarily compatible if only slightly. I also think subtypes just complicate things further unnecessarily and aren't required.
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    producing subtypes are more extraverted than accepting subtypes.

    Maybe that's got something to do with it...?

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