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    Is strong regard for ethical behavior a universal LII trait?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Is strong regard for ethical behavior a universal LII trait?
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    That is what I've read somewhere. Can't remember where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewBorn STAR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Is strong regard for ethical behavior a universal LII trait?
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    What a useless post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Is strong regard for ethical behavior a universal LII trait?
    I only feel comfortable commenting on myself, but I usually follow the rules, doing what is considered the right thing officially and etc. Ethics is another story, I'm only at school, so I don't think I have to make too many "ethical decisions" just yet, but I do think that I try and do the right thing, to hold to promises etc., would ethical behaviour be tied to -base? Remind me, what do we consider to be "ethical behaviour"?
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    Fundamentally, ethical behavior is about keeping others from suffering. (FeSi connection) However it invariably entails a value judgment on the part of the person, as to what levels of negative stimulus, and what kinds, are permissable and which aren't. For example it ill pleased Osama Bin Laden that we have the freedoms we do, just as it ill pleases libertarians that they are forced to pay taxes. But we see their displeasure as a worthwhile loss if it means that many others are prevented from much greater levels of displeasure and despair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Fundamentally, ethical behavior is about keeping others from suffering. (FeSi connection) However it invariably entails a value judgment on the part of the person, as to what levels of negative stimulus, and what kinds, are permissable and which aren't. For example it ill pleased Osama Bin Laden that we have the freedoms we do, just as it ill pleases libertarians that they are forced to pay taxes. But we see their displeasure as a worthwhile loss if it means that many others are prevented from much greater levels of displeasure and despair.
    True, and probably moderated by -role, which means we prefer tradition, and would rather not to make too many claims that we should change things.
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    It took me a long time to justify getting on the gay marriage bandwagon. Had a lot of experience with gays before it happened. I wonder if this is a common experience for LIIs in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    It took me a long time to justify getting on the gay marriage bandwagon. Had a lot of experience with gays before it happened. I wonder if this is a common experience for LIIs in general?
    Maybe in the context of our background? You see, as a teenager I haven't had enough time to establish any type of views which are strongly held, and most of the people I know are liberal enough to support gay marriage. As such, I didn't need much "time" to change my views, as they were already set as such. I'd imagine, however, that in the future there will be things that I will be less likely to accept, but I can't comment on it at present.

    Was your argument against gay marriage (in the past, this is) something like "they can have the benefits, if they want it, but it would be best not to disturb the status quo too greatly"? Or was it something different?

    Maybe that's how ESEs and LIIs mesh together: They often have morals in common with the society they live in, and we often have morals based on tradition.
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    The only hang up I had on gay marriage was the definition of marriage. I changed the definition once I realized it's previous meaning was arbitrary and produced suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We Are Carbon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    It took me a long time to justify getting on the gay marriage bandwagon. Had a lot of experience with gays before it happened. I wonder if this is a common experience for LIIs in general?
    Maybe in the context of our background? You see, as a teenager I haven't had enough time to establish any type of views which are strongly held, and most of the people I know are liberal enough to support gay marriage. As such, I didn't need much "time" to change my views, as they were already set as such. I'd imagine, however, that in the future there will be things that I will be less likely to accept, but I can't comment on it at present.

    Was your argument against gay marriage (in the past, this is) something like "they can have the benefits, if they want it, but it would be best not to disturb the status quo too greatly"? Or was it something different?
    Actually it was more based on the idealism that people could overcome their own feelings in the name of a greater good. At a fair, I met a conservative gay man who married a lesbian woman out of devotion to Christianity. (of course, the death of many of his partners by AIDS apparently had something to do with it). I thought if this guy could do it, anyone could, and it was good for the species yadda yadda. What I didn't understand at the time is that it was unreasonable to expect anyone to live in defiance of their deepest personal desires... so I was taken in by his ethical extremism. At the time I didn't know any gays... chance happenings led to friendships with lesbians, and of course B&D and Galen, et all... I can't deny them something they desire so deeply. Civil unions are not equal to marriage anymore than separate but equal meant equality for blacks. The establishment of gay marriage in America is a page that our country -- ultimately, every nation -- must turn.

    Besides, it's not like a lesbian will ever be attracted to a male. It just doesn't work that way. More than likely that anti-gay gay guy was using Viagra to get it up so he could impregnate his woman... and who knows what his woman did to widen her aperture enough (if she even truly was lesbian). I hear that kinda deal will be evaluated as a sexual disorder in DSM-V.

    Maybe that's how ESEs and LIIs mesh together: They often have morals in common with the society they live in, and we often have morals based on tradition.
    Close but, inconsistent with my experience. But now, it does seem that I need ESE input to understand when a person is being hurt by a standardized ethical practice. It's the perception of harm and pain that moves my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Is strong regard for ethical behavior a universal LII trait?
    I always keep in mind how I should conduct myself appropriately to whatever circumstance I find myself in. I don't however, hold to arbitrary moral/social convictions that I think have no real consequential basis.

    I don't see things so much as moral/immoral (In any inherent sense), but in terms of the consequential justifications of why certain behaviours should be discouraged.
    The mode of goodness conditions one to happiness, passion conditions him to the fruits of action, and ignorance to madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neotropic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Is strong regard for ethical behavior a universal LII trait?
    I always keep in mind how I should conduct myself appropriately to whatever circumstance I find myself in. I don't however, hold to arbitrary moral/social convictions that I think have no real consequential basis.

    I don't see things so much as moral/immoral (In any inherent sense), but in terms of the consequential justifications of why certain behaviours should be discouraged.
    Come out with it man... you just hate seeing people endure unpleasant experiences.

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