I vote for SLI.
I vote for SLI.
Do you people seriously like to talk about stupid and useless hypotheses for caricatures ? Does this shit amuse you for real ? How about "Which individuals are most likely to fail at life?"
SLI is obsessed with saving people. This makes them the most heroic.
response is quite reactive without stopping to think before they act. I wouldn't call that heroic. But, on the other hand, it was my father, SLI, who saved me from near drowning accident when I was 19 because of this quick heroic response. Yeah, I guess that would make them good, on the scene, respondents, hence fire fighters. But, they can also be impulsive and get themselves into fights that they can't estimate the damages to before they act/react, causing a lot of undue physical harm to themselves.
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that there are heroic people of all types and no one type is more heroic than the others.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
SEE, SLI, a reformed SLE, and an IEI with signs from God.
Well if you consider our imperialistic american military heroic I have to go with Delta STs.
Shock intuition, diamond logic.
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"And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl
It's pretty cool
First of all. The information gained here would most likely to come to the conclusion that oh lawl we have subjective criteria about which types are most likely to be thought to be heroic based on what brainfarts the individuals come with. Which are to some extent influenced by quandra values, as the individual identifies with certain quandra just makes it more likely. But other than that i find it extremely too subjective as its obvious that any type can behave within whatever criteria that someone thinks is worth calling heroic. Usually stemmed by some virtue that the individual projects as worthy of having. But of course you know this.
The comment about which individuals most likely to fail at life was mostly sarcastic and i didnt think about it in serious manner there is no way i would find that interesting either. It was mostly just expression of annoyment from the view that stemms from upper writing.
Im creep of a beast btw and i wondered upon as you introduced me to the nakshatra system and since then i have found it immensely helpful. I have been wondering, why do you think the system works ? Its almost magical.
I cant even explain how it works, it just does. It amazes me too
Does it fucking annoy anyone else how people reinforce the idea that soldiers, police, firefighters etc are "heroes".
I mean I used to think the same thing when I was 3, but then I grew up.
Yeah that whole thing is just a joke. I live on an Airforce base. I've seen how soldiers behave and who they are. They're in it for the money and maybe to kill a towel head or two. They know wearing a uniform gets your dick sucked alot easier. They think "America.. Fuck yeah". But they aren't heroes until they get thrown out into the battlefield and jump on a grenade. If they come back in a bodybag then they can be heroes. Even then though.. they're never heroes for some global mission of upholding America.
Yea well even outside those sentiments, which I mostly agree with, its completely illogical. I mean it's not like going through basic and sliding on a uniform puts you through some magical transformation and changes your basic humanity and makes you like some divine protector.
It's just an 8-12 week period to teach you how to be a soldier. How to work in a group, fire a rifle, give orders, take orders, march in step, have endurance, take initiative, and so forth. And as for the uniform, anyone can purchase one in a military surplus store.
I love it too how all the advertisements for the military makes it seem like something amazing, like you undergo a personal transformation when joining, like its some religious experience or profound character building experience.
I mean I could go to the shooting range fire off a couple of rounds until I meet military specifications, do physical training until I reach the target cutoffs, and so forth and so forth and so forth. But I promise you, no one would go around telling you, you were a hero for doing so. I further promise you, if you told someone what you did, and then asked them if they thought you were a hero, they would be confused at the idea of it....
Really it seems like it comes down to social indoctrination. It's a convenient belief to have, that the guardians of one's "tribe" are all heroes, it makes people feel safe, it makes soldiers feel respected, and it makes people feel like everything is good/noble.
It's simply not true, in war the enemy shooting at you and stabbing a bayonet through your face goes home to here the same propoganda about them.
Sacrificing yourself for the elite IS Heroic (to the elite ).
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
I definitely think firefighters are heroes, for the most part. I wouldn't bundle them with soldiers. There's just a complete lack of the political angle there on why soldiers even do what they do and the powers that be that tell them to do these things - it all may be heroic, but it's up for the question more than firefighters imo.
I could be wrong here, but I tend to think that soldiers, when they're out on the battlefield, are more concerned with their own group of men, protecting each other and getting the job done without getting killed, than they really care about the bigger picture of how great their country is. Because frankly, America is going to the dogs. But I can see how that feeling of camaraderie would override everything else and you'd be willing to give your life so that the other soldiers in your platoon (or whatever it's called) can make it back to their families.
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But yeah, I definitely say SEE, and yes it depends, any type could be a hero, but SEE Russell Crowe is the badass Gladiator who has a really hearty down-to-earthness, wisdom, depth of feeling. I see something very heroic in some SEEs, just how they're oriented to thrive in direct reality, and have a solid maturity, confidence, inner and outer strength and work ethic, esp. when older. I get the same feeling when I watch other SEEs like Mickey Rourke and Johnny Knoxville, even if it doesn't compute to external codes of conduct. It's the inner naturalness of filling their body and seeing everything they need to see in the moment that makes it more real for me. Not all of them can take that SeFi power and harness it wisely like a true hero.
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Archetypically the soldiers tend to be individuals who don't concern themselves with politics, but instead naively believe in their country, and usually feel abused when it lets them down etc. They tend not to focus on that but instead of getting the job done and their fellow comrades or whatever like you said.
I really don't have much problem with those kinds of people, although that's not every soldier tbh, those are just the "good" ones so to speak. People have varied reasons for being in the military.
My concern is with the forced sentiment of them being heroes. I think people have to earn that title by doing something heroic, not by simply joining and organization.
It also seems paradoxical because always my vision of heroism involved individuality being stressed over social conformity. A typical hero is someone who goes against the grain, usually with an alturistic purpose, and tends to exhibit great feats of endurance/mastery/skill and overcomes surmountable challenges.
In literature, song, dance, whatever culturally that's always been the hero archetype. It's never been the guy who was really loyal to his organization.
Have I ever told you how much I love you?Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...