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    thread title based on the quadra most often associated with the stereotype, the likelihood that a socionist knows of the stereotype, the popularity of the stereotype, and the type most often associated with the stereotype

    Scrooge McDuck (LSE) hoards money. He likes that it's valuable and shiny and he gets emotionally attached to it.

    My brother (SLE) values money. Because everyone else does. I can bribe him with it, and he can bribe someone else with it.

    Squishy (SEI) likes spending money. He doesn't accept bribes. He would rather have entertainment or a sandwich.

    Discuss How Money is Type-Related

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    What the fuck.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Here is my general opinion on Delta types I have known (incl. myself) (Ok, I might sound a bit stereotypical and cliched): Delta types are probably more interested in the things they can buy with money, rather than money itself. To Delta types, time is money, so they prefer to work adequately to support their lifestyle, rather than work obscenely long hours in order to earn much more money but don't have the time to spend it on themselves and their loved ones. Delta NFs like to buy things which make them happy, and sometimes the things might even be considered frivolous to others. Delta STs spend more on the necessities, and they like their things to have a classic look (i.e. something that is timeless and don't go out of fashion easily).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Here is my general opinion on Delta types I have known (incl. myself) (Ok, I might sound a bit stereotypical and cliched): Delta types are probably more interested in the things they can buy with money, rather than money itself. To Delta types, time is money, so they prefer to work adequately to support their lifestyle, rather than work obscenely long hours in order to earn much more money but don't have the time to spend it on themselves and their loved ones. Delta NFs like to buy things which make them happy, and sometimes the things might even be considered frivolous to others. Delta STs spend more on the necessities, and they like their things to have a classic look (i.e. something that is timeless and don't go out of fashion easily).
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    rather than work obscenely long hours in order to earn much more money but don't have the time to spend it on themselves and their loved ones.
    How many people actively like doing that (in % over the total population)?
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    I think she's just trying to say that Delta is the most intelligent quadra, which obviously you don't grasp.

    No but seriously, I like that description, even if I think it's questionable it fits me kinda well, aside from that time isn't that high-rated due to me slacking off. Slacker or whoever IEE it was was talking about really wanting an ipad and still talks about it now that she has it. I got obsessed over things I want to buy all the time, like right now I'm so about to get this gore tex military sack to keep me warm and dry during camping even though I'm not even going camping, and I just got a bivy tent .

    I think objects for Gammas or even Betas are more about "where that will take them next" rather than just the having of it.

    But for the most part I'm just making stuff up for conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    How many people actively like doing that (in % over the total population)?
    In terms of "working time around the world", the following study by International Labour Organization seems to suggest that "one in five workers worldwide are putting in "excessive hours""

    http://www.ilocarib.org.tt/portal/in...16&Itemid=1210

    As for my personal observation, I see this phenomenon quite often around me. Maybe it's just that I know a disproportionately number of people (e.g. friends, acquaintances, colleagues) around me who tend to work very long hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Slacker or whoever IEE it was was talking about really wanting an ipad and still talks about it now that she has it. I got obsessed over things I want to buy all the time, like right now I'm so about to get this gore tex military sack to keep me warm and dry during camping even though I'm not even going camping, and I just got a bivy tent.
    Haha, sounds like me at times. Anyway, when I really want something, I will try to find reasons on why I need to have it even though it might not even be a "need" in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    As for my personal observation, I see this phenomenon quite often around me. Maybe it's just that I know a disproportionately number of people (e.g. friends, acquaintances, colleagues) around me who tend to work very long hours.
    Probably yes, because I don't know anyone that works a lot in order to earn a lot of money. Mostly because those who work a lot don't necessarily earn much more, quite the contrary...

    btw, I wouldn't use that study as a source since ofc "worldwide" there will be many exploited people, given that most of the world is still living barely beyond subsistence level. If you check it out, it does say that those who work the most are doing so to make ends meet, rather than accumulating tons of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Haha, sounds like me at times. Anyway, when I really want something, I will try to find reasons on why I need to have it even though it might not even be a "need" in the first place.
    yeah i've tended to feel guilty about buying anything if i cant justify it as needed somehow even if technically barely anything is actually "needed." but i've gotten more and more lax with this over time and i'm sure its environmental. i think attitudes about money are influenced by environment to a degree that overwhelms any socionic factors. but maybe what poli said. and i remember an old thread that asked whether people saw money as more primarily providing freedom or security (i think it was correlated to Ni/Se vs Si/Ne but i cant remember) and i would for sure say the latter.

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    Everyone likes money because everyone likes stuff. The end. NTR. kbai.
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    what about the cabin in the wilderness people? mostly delta sts prob

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    what about the cabin in the wilderness people? mostly delta sts prob
    I'm probably the only one here who lived in a Kaczynski-style shack in the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    what about the cabin in the wilderness people? mostly delta sts prob
    I'm probably the only one here who lived in a Kaczynski-style shack in the woods.
    Is this an auto-pat-on-the-back or an unbiased assessment of the probabilities of that scenario?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Here is my general opinion on Delta types I have known (incl. myself) (Ok, I might sound a bit stereotypical and cliched): Delta types are probably more interested in the things they can buy with money, rather than money itself. To Delta types, time is money, so they prefer to work adequately to support their lifestyle, rather than work obscenely long hours in order to earn much more money but don't have the time to spend it on themselves and their loved ones. Delta NFs like to buy things which make them happy, and sometimes the things might even be considered frivolous to others. Delta STs spend more on the necessities, and they like their things to have a classic look (i.e. something that is timeless and don't go out of fashion easily).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post

    I'm probably the only one here who lived in a Kaczynski-style shack in the woods.
    Is this an auto-pat-on-the-back or an unbiased assessment of the probabilities of that scenario?
    I'm probably the only one here who lived in a Kaczynski-style shack in the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    I think she's just trying to say that Delta is the most intelligent quadra
    This thread isn't about Deltas. How did you people come to that conclusion?!

    What do you think of money and how is that type-related?

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    What do you think of money and how is that type-related?
    Money is gamma which is why we have so many beta ST rappers counting stacks of $100s in their videos and draping their bejeweled selves across the fine leather seats of their million-dollar cars.

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    Money? I like money. I even like making money with money. I am not however, swinish about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    I think she's just trying to say that Delta is the most intelligent quadra
    This thread isn't about Deltas. How did you people come to that conclusion?!

    What do you think of money and how is that type-related?
    I already answered. u skip what I say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    What do you think of money and how is that type-related?
    It's not.
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    Money is type related, it correlates well with LIE and ancient temperaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Squishy (SEI) likes spending money. He doesn't accept bribes. He would rather have entertainment or a sandwich.
    You could bribe me with a sandwich though.

    I also don't like spending money. I like saving money, and I like not spending money. I enjoy myself or what I've bought more if I can tell myself that I've saved money getting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    I also don't like spending money. I like saving money, and I like not spending money. I enjoy myself or what I've bought more if I can tell myself that I've saved money getting it.
    So would you rather get a name-brand item on sale or a generic brand item at the regular price? The former is a little better and the latter is a little cheaper.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    So would you rather get a name-brand item on sale or a generic brand item at the regular price? The former is a little better and the latter is a little cheaper.
    Brand name items aren't always better than their generic equivalents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    What do you think of money and how is that type-related?
    Money is gamma which is why we have so many beta ST rappers counting stacks of $100s in their videos and draping their bejeweled selves across the fine leather seats of their million-dollar cars.
    Yeah, but that's all toy/play money, temporarily and/or conditionally given to these guys so they can appeal more to the huddled Gamma masses.

    The life of a Beta ST MC is short, in actuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    So would you rather get a name-brand item on sale or a generic brand item at the regular price? The former is a little better and the latter is a little cheaper.
    Some brands produce things in materials or styles I like. For shirts, I really love Reserve and Giordano's loose-fitting tees, just because the cotton is irresistably soft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    What do you think of money and how is that type-related?
    I generally don't think of money much. Imho money itselt isn't related to type, but what it represents - power, prestige, validation of individual's competence, freedom to determine one's destiny and set one's lifestyle - may very well be.

    I haven't yet encountered any studies that would link desire for money to Socionics types. There is, however, an income study for MBTI types. The following numbers were polled across a sample of 6,000 individuals. Dominant and auxiliary functions for each type are listed in brackets, since MBTI types aren't same as socionics.
    Average Annual Household Income
    1. ENTJ (84,434) (Te-Ni)
    2. ESTJ (76,238) (Te-Si)
    3. ESFJ (74,882) (Fe-Si)
    4. INTJ (72,043) (Ni-Te)
    5. ENFJ (71,060) (Fe-Ni)
    6. ISTJ (71,020) (Si-Te)
    7. ESTP (69,323) (Se-Ti)
    8. ISTP (67,349) (Ti-Se)
    9. ENFP (66,210) (Ne-Fi)
    10. INTP (64,872) (Ti-Ne)
    11. INFJ (64,372) (Ni-Fe)
    12. ISFP (64,166) (Fi-Se)
    13. ISFJ (63,870) (Si-Fe)
    14. ESFP (63,281) (Se-Fi)
    15. ENTP (62,960) (Ne-Ti)
    16. INFP (61,565) (Fi-Ne)
    In MBTI the EJs and Te dominant/auxiliary are all represented among the top 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    Average Annual Household Income
    1. ENTJ (84,434) (Te-Ni)
    2. ESTJ (76,238) (Te-Si)
    3. ESFJ (74,882) (Fe-Si)
    4. INTJ (72,043) (Ni-Te)
    5. ENFJ (71,060) (Fe-Ni)
    6. ISTJ (71,020) (Si-Te)
    7. ESTP (69,323) (Se-Ti)
    8. ISTP (67,349) (Ti-Se)
    9. ENFP (66,210) (Ne-Fi)
    10. INTP (64,872) (Ti-Ne)
    11. INFJ (64,372) (Ni-Fe)
    12. ISFP (64,166) (Fi-Se)
    13. ISFJ (63,870) (Si-Fe)
    14. ESFP (63,281) (Se-Fi)
    15. ENTP (62,960) (Ne-Ti)
    16. INFP (61,565) (Fi-Ne)
    In MBTI the EJs and Te dominant/auxiliary are all represented among the top 6.
    Yeah, I remember seeing that from an MBTI site that does corporate consulting. So I'd gather that those numbers are from people working in corporate type jobs where Te and the EJ temperaments are naturally favored and probably considered more valuable than say Ti and IP temperaments. After all, working in a corporation favors conforming to rules/standards and dedication moreso than talent or intelligence although they're not mutually exclusive of course.

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    Well, remember that an ENTJ in MBTI is also much more a typical corporate hardass than how an ENTJ is described in socionics. So it's almost tautological to have ENTJs as being the group which earns the most on average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    I think she's just trying to say that Delta is the most intelligent quadra, which obviously you don't grasp.
    Polikujm, I think you're right. I mean I can't disagree only agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
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    So would you rather get a name-brand item on sale or a generic brand item at the regular price? The former is a little better and the latter is a little cheaper.
    Brand name items aren't always better than their generic equivalents.
    That's why I specified that they are in this case.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpsy Knievel View Post
    I'm probably the only one here who lived in a Kaczynski-style shack in the woods.
    Nope, not the only one.
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    this thread has turned into a pipe-bomb measuring contest...hehehe

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