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    Any ideas? He's pretty obviously a trickster archetype, but that could be either the ENTp type or the ISFp type (á la Andy Kaufman).
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    You seem as confused with ILE/SEI as I am with SLE/IEI.

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    ENTp

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    IEI > ILE.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

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    SEI or IEI, Fe sub, 4w3 sp/so

    Edit: Probably SEI; the Hatter is probably ILE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    IEI is interesting, I could certainly see him being Ni.

    As a side topic, IPs, in creative terms, seem to be naturally aware that "the real world is not always as it seems". I could be misrepresenting her views, but a while ago we had a user Olga who had something like a "butterfly model", and I recall some link she made with music. IP music had recurring themes of physical reality dissolving, and something else I can't remember. This makes sense if you consider Pi is basically a pure relationship with the P element in question, perceptually divorced from its traits as an object.

    I think Si has a fundamental relationship with the "real world" of it being impermanent and a placeholder of sorts. On the one hand you have some SEIs undermining the perceived, illusory relationship with reality as-is, on the other you have Si and its microscopic view of perceptions--but this might be more of an IXSx thing, or something altogether different.

    This also neatly accounts for Si (and Ni) dominance and the attitude of "gentle change". Everything is slowly drifting into something else. Endurance pays, because things will turn out how you want, or some other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    IEI > ILE.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    SEI or IEI, Fe sub, 4w3 sp/so

    Edit: Probably SEI; the Hatter is probably ILE.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat King Cole View Post
    IEI is interesting, I could certainly see him being Ni.
    Haha.

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    So I'm obviously an IEI or SEI now. Goodbye, LSI, ILE, and IEE.

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    "Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?"
    "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
    "I don't much care where –" said Alice.
    "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
    "– so long as I get somewhere," Alice added as an explanation.
    "Oh, you're sure to do that," said the Cat, "if you only walk long enough."
    "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
    "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
    "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
    "You must be," said the Cat, "otherwise you wouldn't have come here."
    Alice didn't think that proved it at all: however she went on. "And how do you know that you're mad?"
    "To begin with," said the Cat, "a dog's not mad. You grant that?"
    "I suppose so," said Alice
    "Well, then," the Cat went on, "you see a dog growls when it's angry, and wags its tail when it's pleased. Now I growl when I'm pleased, and wag my tail when I'm angry. Therefore I'm mad."
    "I call it purring, not growling," said Alice.
    "Call it what you like," said the Cat.
    It's probably somewhat difficult to separate Lewis Carroll the logician from his often paradoxical and logic-laden characters.
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    The entire book/movie seems like some giant insane Alpha fuckfest, so I'd take a stab at ENTp too.
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