Pride - the main motive of LSEs-ESTjs?

[tcaudilllg]

Yes or no?

[krieger]

not the first thing that comes to mind. one ESTj blogger i'm currently reading up on explicitly stresses the importance of modesty and humility in what he does:

http://investorandtrader.blogspot.co...emotional.html

[tcaudilllg]

Right but, ESTJs work their ass off. They absolutely want something in return.

And, they don't exactly look too kindly on people who they feel aren't pulling their share of the work. Not least because they feel a responsibility to make sure the job get's done.

My point is, all this dedication and self-sacrifice requires a compensation.

[Galen]

No, that's just how EJs function. My ESFj aunt and dad are constantly doing things just because the way their energy works requires them to keep moving.

[Lobo]

I wouldn't say that pride is what makes them do things. The LSE I work with likes to do things because he genuinely believes that he is going to do a better job than other people. I used to get annoyed at this attitude, but then I realized that he actually reduces my workload by being that way, so I don't bother correcting his impression of me . Other LSEs just like to get things done. I've met a lot of LSEs, and pride doesn't seem to be their motive. I do find that they tend to be proud people though.

[ashlesha]

i thought this prime motive stuff was more like enneagram stuff. when i think pride + type i think 2s.

would motive in socionics be related to superid or something maybe? or not.

[DirectorAbbie]

Not least because they feel a responsibility to make sure the job get's done.

If I were a mod, I would fix this abomination.

LSE...genuinely believes that he is going to do a better job than other people.

[ashlesha]

If I were a mod, I would fix this abomination.

why?

[Korpsy Knievel]

If I were a mod, I would fix this abomination.

Thanks for speaking out.

[Beautiful sky]

My LSE boyfriend says it's not the prime motive, but it is important. Wait, he's texting me more information....tbc.

He says "revenge"; I don't know why...it's part joking around. I'm trying to get the facts about why. Revenge at everyone who's ever underestimated him and his tallent. I suspect this doesn't hold true for every LSE, but remember, they are extraverts and if they don't have enough external support, things might sink in emotionally that may be tied to their self-esteem (needing relationships and getting self affirmation from external world).

He loves attention although is anti-social and doesn't always want to interact with others; wants to be recognized and admired (to leave something behind to be remembered for would be nice).

He says HA, being perfect and being loved make sense.

[Adam Strange]

I think that the primary desire of LSEs is to appear to be respectable.

They may abuse their kids, they may have disdain for their mates, they may not have a clue or care how you feel, but by God, they will have a nice looking house for the neighbors to see and will go to church and will demand that you act as if you respect them, whether they have done anything to earn that respect or not.


I once told my LSE mother that I hated her. I was about sixteen at the time. She punched me in the face with her fist and when her hand started bleeding, she said it was my fault that happened.
Then she said to me that I could think that I hated her, but I’d better never say it in public (where other people could hear).

My LII little sister witnessed this and later told me that it actually WAS my fault that I got punched in the face, because I let my face get in the way of her fist. Then we both laughed about it.

[SGF]

I think that the primary desire of LSEs is to appear to be respectable.

They may abuse their kids, they may have disdain for their mates, they may not have a clue or care how you feel, but by God, they will have a nice looking house for the neighbors to see and will go to church and will demand that you act as if you respect them, whether they have done anything to earn that respect or not.


I once told my LSE mother that I hated her. I was about sixteen at the time. She punched me in the face with her fist and when her hand started bleeding, she said it was my fault that happened.
Then she said to me that I could think that I hated her, but I’d better never say it in public (where other people could hear).

My LII little sister witnessed this and later told me that it actually WAS my fault that I got punched in the face, because I let my face get in the way of her fist. Then we both laughed about it.

lol sounds like my grandmother. I still didn't visit her grave, probably never will.

[Sol]

Pride is an emotion of high evaluation of someone or somewhat traits. Where is about own traits, it's much about selfassurance. Feeling it is not specific to some of types.
To types may relate what accents are made in its understanding. For example, where it's linked with "being decent" - Fe, where "you like that" - Fi.
Also as it's about emotions, so F types may express this more clear.

[Minde]

I don't think it's THE primary desire or motive. To be consistently/reliably loved and to live rightly would be more my guess. Of course, they tend to be very (overly?) confident that their way is the right way, which is where pride can insert itself. When they don't feel loved, I think one compensation is to "at least be respected" by the general public. Fear and love can get convoluted, especially when they don't have someone clearly demonstrating love, what it is, how to do it, and even how it feels.

They don't have a strength in the exchange-of-love department, but they usually feel very confident in the hands-on, do-it-correctly part of living rightly. With insecurity, wounding, lack of trust/connection, you can end up with a bossy, hypocritical jerk. Lots of people have lots of hurts, so it doesn't surprise me that LSEs have gotten that reputation. (Sore thumbs do stand out.)

However, while a healthy happy LSE might show instances of pride, in the end they'll care more about someone's well-being. If they know how to express that (with help from Fi people), they can be very supportive, loyal friends. They can actually be surprisingly sweet and squishy.




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Kind of related, lately I've been feeling there's a connection between LSEs' "victim alter ego" and their belligerence (or pride) when arguing. I'm not sure what it is. I'm just feeling it intuitively.

[Rebelondeck]

Pride can be a motive for all types so it's not type related. The main type-related motive for all Ejs seems to be control of their immediate world, which can be small or grand depending on a lot of factors. LSEs strive for control by attempting to bring logical sense and order to their world, and they tend seek the logic through others. However, any new information that they will likely accept as true is that which maintains their world under their control.

a.k.a. I/O

[Rebelondeck]

@flowers and sugar, I wouldn't attribute all of your mother's behaviour to being LSE; there might be some significant baggage from her past life experiences that she's also carrying. I won't minimize a LSE's need for control but the shifting of blame and a victim's mentality point to issues other than type. My mother was LSE and she didn't belittle or blame anyone - or use them; she'd usually avoid unhelpful people but she kept opinions to herself.

a.k.a. I/O

[rose]

@flowers and sugar, I wouldn't attribute all of your mother's behaviour to being LSE; there might be some significant baggage from her past life experiences that she's also carrying. I won't minimize a LSE's need for control but the shifting of blame and a victim's mentality point to issues other than type. My mother was LSE and she didn't belittle or blame anyone - or use them; she'd usually avoid unhelpful people but she kept opinions to herself.

a.k.a. I/O

Yeah, she has baggage.
It's an accepted fact in psychology, from what I read, that the people who act the shittiest are just hurt peeps giving back the hurt because they don't know how else to be. I tend to forget this isn't common knowledge. Sorry if this sounds passive-aggressive or arrogant, I don't mean it this way, it's just plain facts to me. That and everyone has baggage of some sort that distorts how they appear/act.
@asd EJ tend to act controling even when they don't mean too. It's not actions, it's an attitude. It's probably much more annoying to an IP than an IJ.


I'm not exactly willing to invest more time in this topic, makes me angry.