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    Merriweather Lewis (ESI) and William Clark (Te-LIE)



    Lewis was, in other words, a rather solitary individual, devoted to his family and a few friends, a man with a gift for leadership, who could maintain discipline and get loyal and willing service from his men in the wilderness, but not a man who got along well with ordinary people under ordinary conditions. In the popular jargon of our day, Merriweather Lewis was an "introvert." He was also a rather moody individual.
    Unlike Lewis, however, Clark was neither moody nor solitary. He was a hearty, genial, socially inclined individual - an extrovert. Given their common interests, long acquaintance, hearty friendship, and similar enthusiasms, they complimented each other in an almost ideal way.

    It is a remarkable fact that there is no record of the slightest quarrel between the two, not even under the terrible strain and hardship of wilderness travel, which makes ordinary men's tempers snap like fiddlestrings. Their only known differences relate, first, to the palatability of dog meat, which Lewis rather liked and Clark detested, and, second, to the necessity of salt, which Lewis craved and Clark thought a matter of "mere indifference". It is more than a matter of form when they refer - as both men do - to each other as "my friend, Captain Lewis," or "my friend, William Clark." Even as an old man - so testified a young niece living in his household - Clark could never refer to Lewis's death without tears in his eyes.
    Clark, the both men of course were military men, Lewis also, Clark was the older of the two. Clark was the the man who had the practicality always to be able to to find a solution, whatever the problem was. I have a sense that in a way, he was he was the the rod in the spine of of Lewis. I don’t mean to say that Lewis was weak because clearly he wasn’t. But it was Clark’s force of personality, his capacity to deal with with the men, all of whom were were not formally educated. That gave Lewis his discipline and his intelligence the the force, the power to make it, make it go, to make it active.
    In temperament Lewis and Clark were opposites. Lewis was introverted, melancholic, and moody; Clark, extroverted, even-tempered and gregarious. The better educated and more refined Lewis, who possessed a philosophical, romantic and speculative mind, was at home with abstract ideas; Clark, of a pragmatic mold, was more of a practical man of action. Each supplied vital qualities which balanced their partnership.

    Their relationship ranks high in the realm of notable human associations. It was a rare example of two men of noble heart and conscience sharing responsibilities for the conduct of a dangerous enterprise without ever losing each other's respect or loyalty. Despite frequent stress, hardships, and other conditions that could easily have bred jealousy, mistrust or contempt, they proved to be self-effacing brothers in command and leadership. During their long journey, there is not a single trace of a serious quarrel or dispute between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    Merriweather Lewis (ESI) and William Clark (Te-LIE)

    This is actually a great example of ESI-LIE duality, because:

    It's about Time.
    It's about Space.
    It's about Two Men
    In the Strangest Place.

    No, seriously, these guys were pretty much opposites, but they came together under dangerous circumstances to explore new lands and identify new resources for the American government. This is the standard forge of ESI-LIE duality, where the two duals have to rely on each other to accomplish some task which is mutually beneficial, and both duals consider it to be worthwhile.

    I actually have worked with four ESI's (three males, one female) on mutually agreed-upon goals (work projects or life goals), and I have to say, we never seriously argued with each other, no matter how difficult things got. There were lots of differences of opinion (especially with one guy), but they never rose to the point of endangering our friendship in the slightest.

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    This is a stereotypical LIE (male) - ESI (female) mixed subtype for both famous couple from my area:



    Alessandro Benetton (some famous entrepreneur) and Deborah Compagnoni (a former female alpine ski professional)
    fatti non foste a viver come bruti ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    Merriweather Lewis (ESI) and William Clark (Te-LIE)

    In case these descriptions seem too vague, a few excerpts from their journals that I found telling:

    Lewis

    Being now confident that the Indians had taken it, I sent the Indian woman on, to request Captain Clark to halt the part and send back some of the men to my assistance, being determined either to make the Indians deliver the robe or burn their houses. They have vexed me in such a manner by such repeated acts of villainy that I am quite disposed to treat them with every severity.
    I told Camaehwait that I was sorry to find that they had put so little confidence in us, that I knew they were not acquainted with white men and therefore could forgive them. That among white men it was considered disgraceful to lie, or entrap an enemy by falsehood. I told him if they continued to think thus meanly of us, that they might rely on it that no white men would ever come to trade with them, or bring them arms and ammunition; and that, if the bulk of his nation still entertained this opinion, I still hoped there were some among them that were not afraid to die - that were men, and would go with me and convince themselves of the truth of what I had asserted; that there was a party of white men waiting my return, either at the forks of the Jefferson's River or a little below, coming on to that place in canoes loaded with provisions and merchandise."
    While at dinner, an Indian fellow very impertinently threw a poor, half-starved puppy nearly into my plate by way of derision for our eating dogs,a nd laughed very heartily at his own impertinence. I was so provoked at his insolence that I caught the puppy and threw it with great violence at him and struck him in the breast and face, seized my tomahawk, and showed him by signs, if he repeated his insolence I would tomahawk him.
    Typical Clark journals: less personal, mainly concerned with conveying the bare facts, evince a more convivial and even-tempered disposition, etc.

    Examined the rapid below us more particularly. The danger appearing too great to hazard our canoes loaded, dispatched all the men who could not swim with loads to the end of the portage below. I also walked to the end of the portage with the carriers, where I delayed until every article was brought over, and the canoes arrived safe.
    Found 32 persons - men, women, and a few children - sitting promiscuously in the lodge, in the greatest agitation; some crying and wringing their hands, others hanging their heads. I gave my hand to them all, and made signs of my friendly disposition, and offered the men my pipe to smoke, and distributed a few small articles which I had in my pocket. These measures pacified those distressed people very much. I then sent one man into each lodge, and entered a second myself, the inhabitants of which I found more frightened than those in the first lodge. I distributed sundry small articles among them, and smoked with the men.
    We sent, by him, a talk to the nation, stating the cause of our hoisting the red flag under the white. If they were for peace, stay at home and do as we directed them. If they were for war, or were determined to stop us, we were ready to defend ourselves. We halted one hour and one-half on the S.S. and made a substitute of stones for an anchor, refreshed our men, and proceeded on about two miles higher up, and came to a very small sandbar in the middle of the river, and stayed all night. I am very unwell for want of sleep. Determined to sleep tonight if possible. The men cooked, and we rested well.
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    ENTp v ENTj conversation. Chad Crandall talks like @Adam Stranger's posts read.


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    Example of a male LIE (who is probably Type 3).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo View Post
    ENTp v ENTj conversation. Chad Crandall talks like @Adam Stranger's posts read.

    I agree with you that Chad is LIE.
    Not sure about the other guy, he could be LII-Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I agree with you that Chad is LIE.
    Not sure about the other guy, he could be LII-Ne.
    The other guy is ILE. At time 0:18, look at the smile on his face. That is a characteristic ILE smile.

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    For illustrative purposes here is an extreme example of an Se + Fi person.

    ESFp-Fi E6w7

    Please watch the whole video before you comment.



    Here are some things to note about this guy from the video:

    - He talks ethics non-stop, not logics. It doesnít seem logical at all, too "stupid", so F.
    - How it sucked in a inter human way (Fi), not how it is bad for society (Ti).
    - Ti would say, "it was really bad of us to do that because it gives the wrong message to people."
    - This is what Rob Richards stated in the video and is Fi information, "it really made us look bad/made them disrespected."
    - Itís the focus, heís talking about how it feels and how things the feelings of it was, which is essentially Fi.
    - Ethics focusing on the feeling of it: "It was just hilarious, it made sense."
    - Logicals would FEEL that way too, however would not focus on it in an explanation in my opinion.
    - "I donít see them as human beings, I never will."<-----classification of a person according to value, so Fi.
    - The Se in him is just so obvious I don't feel I need to go into it. The Se accentuates his Fi statements heavily. Gamma SFs can​ be pretty harsh.

    Follow up story.
    "So if you do not acknowledge in your heart the values that surpass yourself, you are in a psychological state where your sole existence is meaningless."

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    Elon Musk (LIE) with Leonardo DiCaprio (SEE-Fi), Activity relation.

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