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    The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear. Heinrich Himmler

    Once we have power we will never give it up! Heinrich Himmler

    My honour is my loyalty. Heinrich Himmler

    I still lack to a considerable degree that naturally superior kind of manner that I would dearly like to possess. Heinrich Himmler

    I know there are many people in Germany who feel sick at the very sight of this black [SS] uniform. We understand this and we do not expect to be loved. Heinrich Himmler

    Unconditional and highest freedom of will comes from obedience...obedience which is prepared to render each and every sacrifice to pride, to external honour and to all which is dear to us personally, obedience which never falters but unconditionally follows every order which comes from the Führer or legally from superiors. Heinrich Himmler

    We had the moral right, we had the duty to our people, to destroy this people which wanted to destroy us. Altogether, however, we can say that we have fulfilled this most difficult duty for the love of our people. And our spirit, our soul, our character has not suffered injury from it. Heinrich Himmler
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    ENFJ is my guess.
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    ISFj is my guess. If he's convinced that he's doing the right thing, then his doesn't stop him. And look at that friendly smile. He looks so charming.

    obedience
    the moral right
    naturally superior kind of manner
    power
    never give it up
    My honour is my loyalty
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    My guess: ISTj, maybe ISFj.
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    I can see the ISTj, but he seems to be too sweet to be meticulously evil. He rather seems passionate about doing the right thing.
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    @Curious

    THe only other possibility is that he might be INTP, does that sound like a better choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    @Curious

    THe only other possibility is that he might be INTP, does that sound like a better choice?
    Actually that does sound like a better choice. I'll get back to this...
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    Nope: this bitch is ENFJ
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    Could be, could be...
    But what makes you so sure?
    (And what about our dear Kristiina?)
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    In my experience ISJs are not mind fuckers if you know what I mean, they are not big on speaches and all the brain washing. They can do it, but propaganda is not their main thing. EnFJs on the other hand do this 24/7.
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    Noo... Not everyone nationalist is ENFj. Hitler? ENFj, Heinrich Himmler? ENFj. You don't like ENFjs, do you? He's really ISFj-ish.

    INTp? First Fe-program, now Fe-polr? Now think about it for a moment. He's neither. INTp would be explaining how it's the best thing to do, ENFj would just look different. Heinrich Himmler looks just introverted with and kinda cleaver, like ISFj look when they are pleased with things. His hair looks ISxj and he can't stop smiling, while ISTj rarely ever smile. Besides, even my ENFj sister agreed that H. Himmler looks like her ISFj BF.
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    I didn't say that Hitler is ENFJ, I think he was ENTJ.

    The terror thing though is a very Fe thing to do.
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    Edited for Idiocy.
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    My genius is the shinning path to the eternal Third Ranch

    Himmler and Hitler are very likely extraverted, both of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    My genius is the shinning path to the eternal Third Ranch
    Himmler and Hitler are very likely extraverted, both of them.
    That is a good one, but still, things are often not as simple as they seem. Himmler was repeatedly described as painfully shy. And as to Hitler - I just cannot see how he could have been anything else than an INFJ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    My genius is the shinning path to the eternal Third Ranch
    Himmler and Hitler are very likely extraverted, both of them.
    That is a good one, but still, things are often not as simple as they seem. Himmler was repeatedly described as painfully shy. And as to Hitler - I just cannot see how he could have been anything else than an INFJ...
    What are the main things that make you think that he was INFJ? Its' not impossible, I agree on that.
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    Default Why not ENTJ?

    First a short and conclusive answer as to why Hitler could not have been an ENTJ, provided to us courtesy of real-life-ENTJ, FDG:


    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Okay, now let me just show you a thing or two, you scoundrelly LIE's.

    Proof. REAL proof. None of this V.I. baloney.

    Go back through all my posts, count up the number of different parts of speech. Take the number of verbs divided by the number of nouns, and raise it to the power of the average number of letters in my prepositions. Now do the same for all of your posts. Compare the numbers. Notice anything interesting?

    You do this, and get back to me.

    Do you really think that I will take you seriously and start counting all this shit? Moreover, even if I go on asylum-mode for a moment, we should stilll compare with all the LIEs on the forum, not only me and Eidos, which is quite an ISTj task.

    Just look at the way you write. Short. Mandatory. Sentencies. Extraverted. Thinking.
    http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...?p=52190#52190

    PS I think you sound like an INTP, Dioklecian.
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    I don't quite follow the logic: Rick is supposed to be ENTJ? I disagree with that very strongly.

    EDIT: I got it:

    Short. Mandatory. Sentencies. Extraverted. Thinking
    I think FDG exagerates. That kind of precision is INTJ in my opinion, not Te.
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    i'm going with ISFj on this guy, too, for basically the same reasons everyone else has said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina
    I can see the ISTj, but he seems to be too sweet to be meticulously evil. He rather seems passionate about doing the right thing.
    WHERE did you get the sweet part???

    The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear. Heinrich Himmler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    I don't quite follow the logic: Rick is supposed to be ENTJ? I disagree with that very strongly.

    EDIT: I got it:

    Short. Mandatory. Sentencies. Extraverted. Thinking
    I think FDG exagerates. That kind of precision is INTJ in my opinion, not Te.
    Me too. Rick is an ENFP, all right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Quote Originally Posted by Eidos(=ENTJ)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Okay, now let me just show you a thing or two, you scoundrelly LIE's.

    Proof. REAL proof. None of this V.I. baloney.

    Go back through all my posts, count up the number of different parts of speech. Take the number of verbs divided by the number of nouns, and raise it to the power of the average number of letters in my prepositions. Now do the same for all of your posts. Compare the numbers. Notice anything interesting?

    You do this, and get back to me.

    You're pretty arrogant, Rick.

    Proof? Rick, socionics doesn't rely on any proof. Where are the experiments? Where can we read the articles? Has anything been peer-reviewed? Has it even been accepted by the scientific community? No. So don't try and look like you're methodical and scientific when you're obviously not.
    THIS WAS A JOKE - A COMPLETE JOKE. I thought it was obvious at the time, but apparently it was taken seriously. I apologize. I in no way would consider this to be any sort of proof. If I had suspected people would not get the joke, I would not have posted it. I am sorry. I will go back and add a footnote to the joke to make this clear. No arrogance was intended here whatsoever. I was emphasizing in a joking way the futility of trying to refute such statements as 'we know you are an LIE.'
    http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...?p=52465#52465

    PS I hope you get the point, if not - it is not my fault. Introverted intuition or inner wholeness is my instinctive self, and I cannot see it in you, my Dio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    i'm going with ISFj on this guy, too, for basically the same reasons everyone else has said.
    I really don't see ISFJs as running MASSIVE enforcement armies like the SS which had many divisions:

    Of all the German organizations during WWII, the SS is by far the most infamous - and the least understood amongst average historians. The SS was in fact not a monolithic "Black Corps" of goose stepping Gestapo men, as is often depicted in popular media and in many third rate historical works. The SS was in reality a complex political and military organization made up of three separate and distinct branches, all related but equally unique in their functions and goals. The Allgemeine-SS (General SS) was the main branch of this overwhelmingly complex organization, and it served a politicial and administrative role. The SS-Totenkopfverbande (SS Deaths Head Organization) and later, the Waffen-SS (Armed SS), were the other two branches that made up the structure of the SS. The Waffen-SS, formed in 1940, was the true military formation of the larger SS, and as such, it is the main focus of this section. Formed from the SS-Verfungstruppe after the Campaign in France in 1940, the Waffen-SS would become an elite military formation of nearly 600,000 men by the time WWII was over. Its units would spearhead some of the most crucial battles of WWII while its men would shoulder some of the most difficult and daunting combat opertations of all the units in the German military. The Waffen-SS is sometimes thought of as the 4th branch of the German Wehrmacht (Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine) as in the field it came under the direct tactical control of the OKW, although this notion is technically incorrect as strategic control remained within the hands of the SS. To this day the actions of the Waffen-SS and its former members are vilified for ultimately being a part of the larger structure of the political Allgemeine-SS, regardless of the fact that the Waffen-SS was a front line combat organization.
    The SS
    The Schutzstaffel (Protective Squadron), or SS, was a large paramilitary organization that belonged to the Nazi party. The SS was led by Heinrich Himmler from 1929 until it was disbanded in 1945 with the defeat of Germany in World War II. The Nazis regarded the SS as an elite unit, a Party's “praetorian guard,” with all SS personnel selected on racial and ideological grounds. The SS was distinguished from the German military, Nazi Party, and German state officials by their own SS ranks, SS unit insignia, and SS uniforms.

    The SS fighting units, called the Waffen-SS, were to evolve into highly skilled and effective soldiers, in many cases superior in these respects to the German army, the Heer.

    The most recognizable branches of the SS, later charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity, were the departments that comprised the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA, Reich Security Head Office), Sicherheitsdienst (SD, Security Service), Einsatzgruppen (Special Mission Groups), the concentration camp service known as the SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV, Death's Head Formations), and the Gestapo (Secret State Police).

    After the war, the judges of Nuremberg Trials declared the entirety of the SS as a criminal organization, among others because of its implementation of racial policies of genocide.
    In the late 1920's through the early 1930's, during its formative years, the SS was only a small organization, numbering around 200 men. As newly appointed Reichsfuhrer-SS in 1929, Himmler was determined to repay Hitler for trusting him with the SS. For all his unimpressive physical prowess, Himmler pushed himself into his work with great determination and set out to produce the elite organization he and Hitler wished the SS to become. For all his unimpressive physical prowess, Himmler began to develop the SS along racially pure and elitist lines, modeling them after the historic Nordic people and Teutonic Knights he had studied and admired as a young boy. Throughout his adolesence and during his years in college, Himmler's intrest in the historic Nordic peoples and Teutonic Knights would turn into a fanatic obsession.

    Under Himmler, the SS would become the new "Order of Teutonic Knights" and would spread a new version of German culture throughout Europe. Although the SS was still significantly small in comparison to the SA, Himmler remained selective in the recruitment of men and developed them into a disciplined, elite, racially pure organization. By the end of 1930, Himmler's hard work began to pay off, as Hitler finally made the SS independent of the SA. It was at this time that the SS was given its formal trimmings of black kepi adorned with the famous death's head, black breeches, black tie, and black trimmed swastika arm band. As a result of it's independence, the structure of the SS was totally reorganized, and the old system of a 10-man squad to each district in Germany was abandoned. The new SS structure had a military design and would go on to administer a vast empire with in the borders of Nazi occupied Europe.

    All his life, Himmler had been blessed with a natural organizational flair and an eagerness to impress his superiors. As a result of the two, Himmler developed the SS into three major branches the Allgemeine-SS (General-SS), the Totenkopfverbande (Death Head units), and the Waffen-SS (Armed-SS). Out of the three, the Allgemeine-SS served as the main branch and was responsible for political and administrative tasks throughout Nazi territory. Himmler created the Allgemeine-SS to aid in the expansion of Germany and the development of a racially pure nation.
    In the early weeks of the trial, there appeared in a newspaper circulated in Nurnberg an account of a correspondent's visit to a camp in which SS prisoners of war were confined. The thing which particularly struck the correspondent was the one question asked by the SS prisoners: Why are we charged as war criminals? What have we done except our normal duty?

    The evidence which follows will answer that question. It will show that just as the Nazi Party was the core of the conspiracy, so the SS was the very essence of Nazism. For the SS was the elite group of the Party, composed of the most thorough-going ad-herents of the Nazi cause, pledged to blind devotion to Nazi principles, and prepared to carry them out without any question and at any cost. It was a group in which every ordinary value was so subverted that today its members can ask, what is there unlawful about the things we have done?

    In the evidence of the conspirators' program for aggressive war, for concentration camps, for the extermination of the Jews, for enslavement of foreign labor and illegal use of prisoners of war and for the deportation and Germanization of inhabitants of conquered territories, in all this evidence the name of the SS runs like a thread. Again and again that organization and its com-ponents are referred to. It performed a responsible role in each of these criminal activities, because it was and indeed had to be a criminal organization.

    The creation and development of such an organization was es-sential for the execution of the conspirators' plans. Their sweeping program and the measures they were prepared use and did use, could be fully accomplished neither through the machinery of the government nor of the Party. Things had to be done for which no agency of government and no political party even the Nazi Party, would openly take full responsibility. A specialized type of apparatus was needed-an apparatus which was to some extent connected with the government and given official support, but which, at the same time, could maintain a quasi-independent status so that all its acts could be attributed neither to the government nor to the Party as a whole. The SS was that apparatus.

    Like the SA, it was one of the seven components or formations of the Nazi Party referred to in the Decree on Enforcement of the Law for Securing the Unity of Party and State of 29 March 1935 (1725-PS). But its status was above that of the other formations. As the plans of the conspirators progressed, it acquired new functions, new responsibilities, and an increasingly more im-portant place in the regime. It developed during the course of the conspiracy into a highly complex machine, the most powerful in the Nazi State, spreading its tentacles into every field of Nazi activity.

    The evidence which follows will be directed toward showing first, the origin and early development of the SS ; second, how it was organized-that is, its structure and its component parts; third, the basic principles governing the selection of its members and the obligations they undertook ; and finally, its aims and the means used to accomplish them.

    The history, organization, and publicly announced functions of the SS are not controversial matters. They are not matters to be learned only from secret files and captured documents. They were recounted in many publications, circulated widely through-out Germany and the world-in official books of the Nazi Party itself, and in books, pamphlets, and speeches by SS and State officials published with SS and Party approval. Throughout this section there will be frequent reference to and quotation from a few such publications.

    A. Origin and General Functions of the SS.

    (1) Origin.

    The first aim of the conspirators was to gain a foothold in politically hostile territory, to acquire mastery of the street, and to combat any and all opponents with force. For that purpose they needed their own private, personal police organi-zation. The SA was created to fill such a role. But the SA was outlawed in 1923. When Nazi Party activity was again resumed in 1925, the SA remained outlawed. To fil1 its place and to play the part of Hitler's own personal police, small mobile groups known as protective squadrons-Schutzstaffel-were created. This was the origin of the SS in 1925. With the reinstatement of the SA in 1926, the SS for the next few years ceased to play a major role. But it continued to exist as an organization within the SA-under its own leader, however-the Reichsfuehrer SS.

    This early history of the SS is related in two authoritative pub-lications. The first is a book by SS Standartenfuehrer Gunter d'Alquen entitled "The SS" (2284-PS). This pamphlet of some 30 pages, published in 1939, is an authoritative account of the history, mission, and organization of the SS. As indicated on its fly leaf, it was written at the direction of the Reichsfuehrer SS, Heinrich Himmler. Its author was the editor of the official . SS publication "Das Schwaze Korps". The second publication is an article by Himmler, entitled "Organization and Obligations of the SS and the Police." It was published in 1937 in a booklet containing a series of speeches or essays by important officials of the Party and the State, and known as "National Political Course for the Armed Forces from 15 to 23 January 1937". (1992-A-PS)

    As early as 1929, the conspirators recognized that their plans required an organization in which the main principles of the Nazi system, specifically the racial principles, would not only be jealously guarded but would be carried to such extremes as to inspire or intimidate the rest of the population. Such an organization would also have to be assured complete freedom on the part of the leaders and blind obedience on the part of the members. The SS was built up to meet this need. The following statement appears on page 7 of d'Alquen's book, "Die SS" (2284-PS):

    "On the 16th of January, 1929, Adolf Hitler appointed his tested comrade of long standing, Heinrich Himmler, as Reichsfuehrer SS. Heinrich Himmler assumed charge there-with of the entire Schutzstaffel totaling at the time 280 men, with the express and particular commission of the Fuehrer to form of this organization an elite troop' of the Party, a troop dependable in every circumstance. With this day the real history of the SS begins as it stands before us today in all its deeper essential features, firmly anchored into the national Socialist movement. For the SS and its Reichsfuehrer, Heinrich Himmler, its first SS man, have become inseparable in the course of these battle-filled years." (2284-PS)

    Carrying out Hitler's directive, Himmler proceeded to build up out of this small force of men an elite organization which, to use d'Alquen's words, was" co. mposed of the best physically, the most dependable, and the most faithful men in the Nazi movement." As d'Alquen further states, at page 12 of his book:

    "When the day of seizure of power had finally come, there . were 52,000 SS men, who in this spirit bore the revolution in the van, marched into the new State which they began to help form everywhere, in their stations and positions, in profession and in science, and in all their essential tasks." (2284-PS)

    (2) General Functions.

    The conspirators now had the machinery of government in their hands. The initial function of the SSthat of acting as their private army and personal police force-was thus completed. But its mission had in fact really just begun. That mission is described in the Organizations book of the NSDAP for 1943 as follows:

    "Missions

    "The most original and most eminent duty of the SS is to serve as the protector of the Fuehrer.
    "By order of the Fuehrer its sphere of duties has been am-plified to include the internal security of the Reich." (2640- PS)

    This new mission-protecting the internal security of the re-gime- was somewhat more colorfully described by Himmler in his pamphlet, "The SS as an Anti-bolshevist Fighting Organiza-tion," published in 1936 (1851--PS):

    "We shall unremittingly fulfill our task, the guaranty of the security of Germany from the interior, just as the Wehr-macht guarantees the safety, the honor, the greatness, and the peace of the Reich from the exterior. We shall take care that never again in Germany, the heart of Europe, will the Jewish-Bolshevistic revolution of subhumans be able to be kindled either from within or through emissaries from without. Without pity we shall be a merciless sword of justice for all those forces whose existence and activity we know, on the day of the slightest attempt, may it be today, may it be in decades or may it be in centuries." (1851-PS)

    This conception necessarily required an extension of the duties of the SS into many fields. It involved, of course, the performance of police functions. But it involved more. It required par-ticipation in the suppression and extermination of all internal opponents of the regime. It meant participation in extending the regime beyond the borders of Germany, and eventually, participation in every type of activity designed to secure a hold over those territories and populations which, through military con-quest, had come under German domination.

    B. Organization and Branches of the SS.

    The expansion of SS duties and activities resulted in the creation of several branches and numerous departments and the development of a highly complex machinery. Although those various branches and departments cannot be adequately described out of the context of their history, a few words about the structure of the SS may be useful.

    For this purpose reference is made to the chart depicting the organization of the SS as it appeared in 1945. This chart was examined by Gottlob Berger, formerly Chief of the SS Main Office, who stated in an attached affidavit that it correctly repre-sents the organization of the SS (Chart Number 3).

    (1) Supreme Command of the SS.

    At the very top of the chart is Himmler, the Reichsfuehrer SS, who commanded the entire organization. Immediately below, running across the chart and down the right hand side, embraced within the heavy line, are the twelve main departments constituting the Supreme Command of the SS. Some of these departments have been broken down into the several offices of which they were composed, as in-dictated by the boxes beneath them. Other departments have not been so broken down. It is not intended to indicate that there were not subdivisions of these latter departments as well. The breakdown is shown only in those cases where the constituent offices of some department may have a particular significance in this case.

    These departments and their functions are described in two official Nazi publications: The first is the Organizations Book of the NSDAP for 1943, at pages 419-422 (2640- PS). The second is an SS manual, which bears the title : "The Soldier Friend-Pocket Diary for the German Armed Forces-Edition D: Waffen SS" (2825-PS). It was prepared at the direction of the Reichs-fuehrer ,SS and issued 'by the SS Main Office for the year ending 1942. In addition, the departments are listed in a directory of the SS published by one of the Main Departments of the SS (2769-PS). This document was found in the files of the Personal Staff of the Reichsfuehrer SS. It is entitled "Directory for the Schutzstaffel of the NSDAP, 1 November 1944", marked "Restricted", and bears the notation "Published by SS Fuerhungshauptamt, Rommandant of the General SS. Berlin-Wilmersdorf ."

    Returning to the chart, following down the central spine from the Reichsfuehrer SS to the regional level, the Higher SS and Police Leaders, the supreme SS commanders in each region are reached. Immediately below these officials is the breakdown of the organization of the Allgemeine or General SS. To the left are indicated two other branches of the SS-the Death Head Units (Totenkopf Verbaende) and the Waffen SS. To the right under the HSS Pf is the SD. All of which, together with the SS Police Regiments, are specifically named in the Indictment (Appendix B) as being included in the SS.

    (2) Principal Branches of the S S

    Up to 1933 there were no such specially designated branches. The SS was a single group, made up of" volunteer political soldiers." It was out of this original nucleus that new units developed.

    (a) The Allgemeine S S

    The Allgemeine (General) SS was the main stem from which the various branches grew. It was composed of all members of the SS who did not belong to any of the special branches. It was the backbone of the entire organization. The personnel and officers of the Main Departments of the SS Supreme Command were members of this branch. Except for high ranking officers and those remaining in staff capacities, as in the Main Offices of the SS Supreme Command, its members were part-time volunteers. Its members were utilized in about every phase of SS activity. They were called upon in anti-Jewish pogroms of 1938; they took over the task of guarding concentration camps during the war; they participated in the colonization and resettlement program. In short, the term "SS" normally meant the General SS.

    It was organized on military lines as will be seen from the chart (Chart Number 3), ranging from district and subdistrict down through the regiment, battalion, and company, to the platoon. Until after the beginning of the war it constituted nu-merically the largest branch of the SS. In 1939 d'Alquen, the official SS spokesmen, said, in his book, "The SS" (2284-PS):

    "The strength of the General SS, 240,000 men, is subdivided today into 14 corps, 38 divisions, 140 infantry regiments, 19 mounted regiments, 14 communication battalions and 19 engineer battalions as well as motorized and medical units. This General SS stands fully and wholly on call as in the fighting years, except for one small part of the chief leaders and men. The corps, which are presently led by a Lt. General or Major General, are subdivided into divisions, regiments, battalions and companies." (2284-PS)

    Similar reference to the military organization of the General SS will be found in Himmler's speech, "Organization and Obligations of the SS and the Police" (1992-A-PS), and in the Organizations Book of the NSDAP for 1943 (2640-PS). Members of this branch, however,-with the exception of certain staff personnel-were subject to compulsory military service. As a result of the draft of members of the General SS of military age into the Army, the numerical strength of presently active members considerably declined during the war. Older SS men and those working in or holding high positions in the Main Departments of the Supreme Command of the SS remained. Its entire strength during the war was probably not in excess of 40,000 men.

    (b) The SD.

    The second component to be mentioned is the Security Service of the Reichsfuehrer SS, almost always referred to as the SD. Himmler described the SD in these words (1992-A-PS):

    "I now come to the Security Service (SD) ; it is the great ideological intelligence service of the Party and, in the long run, also that of the State. During the time of struggle for power it was only the intelligence service of the SS. At that time we had, for quite natural reasons, an intelligence service with the regiments, battalions and companies. We had to know what was going on on the opponents side, whether the Communists intended to hold a meeting today or not, whether our people were to be suddenly. attacked or not, and similar things. I separated this service already in 1931 from the troops, from the units of the General SS, because I considered it to be wrong. For one thing, the secrecy is endangered, then the individual men, or even the companies, are too likely to discuss everyday problems." (1992-A-PS)

    Although, as Himmler put it, the SD was only the intelligence service of the SS during the years preceding the accession of the Nazis to power, it became a much more important organization promptly thereafter. It had been developed into such a powerful and scientific espionage system under its chief, Reinhard Heydrich, that on 9 June 1934, just a few weeks before the bloody purge of the SA, it was made, by decree of Hess, the sole intelligence and counterintelligence agency of the entire Nazi Party (2284- PS). Its organization and numbers, as they stood in 1937, were thus described by Himmler (1992-A-PS):

    "The Security Service was already separated from the troop in 1931 and separately organized. Its higher headquarters, coincide today with the Oberabschnitte and Abschnitte-[that is, the districts and subdistricts of the General SS]- and it has also field offices, its own organization of officials with a great many Command Posts, approximately three to four thousand men strong, at least when it is built up." (1992-A-B)

    Up to 1939 its headquarters was the SS Main Security Office (Sicherheitshauptamt), which became amalgamated in 1939 into the Reich Main Security Office (or RSHA), one of the SS main departments shown on the chart (Chart Number 3).

    The closer and closer collaboration of the SD with the Gestapo and Criminal Police (Kripo), which eventually resulted in the creation of the RSHA, as well as the activities in which the SD engaged in partnership with the Gestapo are discussed in Section 6 on the Gestapo. The SD was, of course, at all times an integral and important component of the SS. But it is more practicable to deal with it in connection with the activities of the whole repressive police system with which it functioned.

    (c) The Waffen SS.

    The third component is the Waffen SS, the combat arm of the SS, which was created, trained, and finally utilized for the purposes of aggressive war. The reason underlying the creation of this combat branch was described in the Organizations Book of the Nazi Party for 1943:

    "The Waffen SS originated out of the thought: to create for the Fuehrer a selected long service troop for the fulfillment of special missions. It was to render it possible for members of the General SS, as well as for volunteers who fulfill the special requirements of the SS, to fight in the battle for the evolution of, the National Socialist idea, with weapon in hand, in unified groups, partly within the framework of the Army." (2640-PS)

    The term "Waffen SS" did not come into use until after the beginning of the war. Up to that time there were two branches of the SS composed of fulltime, professional, well-trained soldiers: the so-called SS Verfuegungstruppe, translatable perhaps as "SS Emergency Troops"; and the SS Totenkopf Verbaende, the "Death Head Units." After the beginning of the war, the units of the SS Verfuegungstruppe were brought up to division strength, and new divisions were added to them. Moreover, parts of the SS Death Head Units were formed into a division, the SS Totenkopf Division. All these divisions then came to be known collectively as the "Waffen SS".

    This development is traced in the Organization Book of the Nazi Party for 1943:

    "The origin of the Waffen SS goes back to the decree of 17 March 1933, establishing the "Stabswache" with an original strength of 120 men. Out of this small group developed the later-called SS Verfuegungstruppe (SS Emergency Force) " (2640-PS)

    The function and status of the S'S Verfuegungstruppe are described in a Top Secret Hitler order, 17 August 1938 (647-PS). That order provides, in part:

    * * *
    "II. The Armed Units of the SS. "
    A. (The SS Verfuegungstruppe)
    "1. The SS Verfuegungstruppe is neither a part of the Wehrmacht nor a part of the police. It is a standing armed unit exclusively at my disposal. As such and as a unit of the NSDAP its members are to be selected by the Reichsfuehrer SS according to the philosophical and political standards which I have ordered for the NSDAP and for the Schutzstaffel. Its members are to be trained and its ranks filled with volunteers from those who are subject to serve in the army who have finished their duties in the obligatory labor service. The service period for volunteers is for 4 years. It may be prolonged for SS Unterfuehrer. Such regulations are in force for SS leaders. The regular compulsory military service (par. 8 of the law relating to military service) is fulfilled by service of the same amount of time in the SS Verfuegungstruppe." * * * * * * *
    "III. Orders for the Case of Mobilization.
    "A. The employment of the SS Verfuegungstruppe in case of mobilization is a double one.

    "1. By the Supreme Commander of the Army within the wartime army. In that case it comes completely under military laws and regulations, but remains a unit of the NSDAP politically.
    "2. In case of necessity in the interior according to my orders, in that case it is under the Reichsfuehrer SS and chief of the German Police.

    "In case of mobilization I myself will make the decision about the time, strength and manner o f the incorporation of the SS Verfuegungstruppe into the wartime army, these things will depend on the inner-political situation at that time." (647-PS)

    Immediately after the issuance of this decree, this militarized force was employed with the Army for aggressive purposes-the taking over of the Sudetenland. Following this action, feverish preparations to motorize the force and to organize new units, such as antitank, machine gun, and reconnaissance battalions, were undertaken pursuant to further directives of the Fuehrer. By September 1939, the force was fully motorized, its units had been increased to division strength, and it was prepared for combat. These steps are described in the National Socialist Yearbook for the years 1940 (2164-M) and 1941 (2163-PS) . The Yearbook was an official publication of the Nazi Party, edited by Reichsleiter Robert Ley and published by the Nazi Party publishing company.

    After the launching of the Polish invasion, and as the war progressed, still further divisions were added. The Organizations Book of the Nazi Party for 1943 (2640-PS) lists some eight divisions and two infantry brigades as existing at the end of 1942. This was no' longer a mere emergency force. It was an SS army and hence came to be designated as the "Waffen SS" that is, "Armed" or "Combat" SS. Himmler referred to the spectacular development of this SS combat branch in his speech at Posen on 4 October 1943 to SS Gruppenfuehrers, in these terms:

    "* * * Now I come to our own development, to that of the SS in the past months. Looking back on the whole war, this development was fantastic. It took place at an absolutely terrific speed. Let us look back a little to 1939. At that time we were a few regiments, guard units (Wachverbande) 8 to 9,000 strong,that is, not even a division, all in all 25 to 28,000 men at the outside. True, we were armed, but really only got our artillery regiment as our heavy arm two months before the war began." * * *
    "In the hard battles of this year, the Waffen-SS has been welded together in the bitterest hours from the most varied divisions and sections, and from these it formed: bodyguard units (Leibstandarte), military SS, (Verfuegungstruppe), Death's Head Units, and then the Germanic SS. Now when our 'Reich', Death's Head Cavalry Divisions and 'Viking' Divisions were there, everyone knew in these last weeks: 'Viking' is at my side, 'Reich' is at my side, 'Death's Head' is at my side,-' Thank God' now nothing can happen to us." (1919-PS)

    The transformation of a small emergency force into a vast combat Army did not result in any separation of this branch from the SS. Although tactically under the command of the Wehrmacht while in the field, it remained as much a part of the SS as any other branch of that organization. Throughout the war it was recruited, trained, administered and supplied by the main offices of the SS Supreme Command. Ideologically and racially its members were selected in conformity with SS standards, as shown by the recruiting standards of the Waffen SS published in the SS manual, "The Soldier Friend" (2825-PS). A section of that manual entitled "The Way to the Waffen SS," reads:

    "Today at last is the longed-for day of the entrance examination where the examiners and physicians decide whether or not the candidate is ideologically and physically qualified to do service in the Armed Forces SS.
    "Everyone has acquainted himself with the comprehensive Manual for the Waffen SS; the principal points are as follows :
    "1. Service in the Armed Forces SS counts as military service. Only volunteers are accepted." * * *
    "3. Every pure-blooded German in good health between the ages of 17 and 45 can become a member of the armed forces SS. He must meet all the requirements of the SS, must be of excellent character, have no criminal record, and be an ardent adherent to all Nazi socialist doctrines. Members of the Streifendienst and of the Landdienst of the Hitler Youth will be given preference because their aptitudes, qualities and schooling are indicative that they have become acquainted very early with the ideology of the SS." * * *
    "In all cases of doubt or difficulty the recruiting offices of the Waffen SS will advise and aid volunteers. They have branches over the entire Reich, always at the seat of the Service Command Headquarters, and work closely with the recruiting of the Waffen SS in the Main Office (SS Hauptamt) of the Reichsfuehrer SS." (2825-PS)

    The recruiting activities of the SS Main Office are illustrated by its recruiting pamphlet, "The SS Calls You," an elaborate illustrated booklet containing full information covering the Waffen SS:

    "If you answer the call of the Waffen SS and volunteer to join the ranks of the great Front of SS Divisions, you will belong to a corps which has from the very beginning been directed toward outstanding achievements, and, because of this fact, has developed an especially deep feeling of comradeship. You will be bearing arms with a corps that embraces the most valuable elements of the young German generation. Over and above that you will be especially bound to the National Socialist ideology." (3429-PS)

    The SS Main Office, through which these recruiting activities were conducted, was one of the principal departments of the SS Supreme Command. It is shown on the chart (the second. box from the left) (Chart Number 3). In the breakdown of that department, shown by the boxes underneath, will be found the central recruiting office.

    Other departments of the Supreme Command performed other functions in connection with the Waffen SS. The SS Operational Headquarters (SS Fuehrungshauptamt)-the fifth box from the left contains the Command Headquarters of the Waffen SS (Chart Number 3). The functions of this department are thus defined in the SS Manual, "The Soldier Friend":

    "In the Fuehrunshauptamt the command office of the Waffen SS handles tasks of military leadership: Training and organization of the units of the Waffen SS, supply of the troops with arms, equipment and ammunition, procurement of motor vehicles for the Waffen SS and General SS, personnel and disciplinary affairs." (2825-PS)

    The SS Legal Main Office (Huuptamt SS Gericht) (indicated on the chart by the second box from the top on the right hand side within the heavy embracing line-( Chart Number 3) ) controlled the administration of courtsmartial and discipline within the Waffen SS. The secret Hitler order of 1'7 August 1938 (647-PS) had, it is true, provided that in the event of mobilization the SS militarized forces should come completely under military laws and regulations. That provision was modified by subsequent enactments : The decree of 17 October 1939 relating to special jurisdiction in penal matters for members of the SS and for members of police groups on special tasks (2946-PS) ; and the decree of 1'7 April 1940, entitled "Second Decree for the Implementation of the Decree Relating to a Special Jurisdiction in Penal Matters for Members of the SS" (2947-PS). These two decrees established a special jurisdiction in penal matters for various classes of SS members, including members of the SS militarized units, in cases which would ordinarily fall under the jurisdiction of the Wehrmacht; and created special SS courts to handle such cases under the direction of the SS Legal Main Office. Thus, in the vital question of discipline, as well as in recruiting, administration, and supply, the Waffen SS was subject to the SS Supreme Command.

    The place of the Waffen SS as an integral part of the entire SS organization was strongly emphasized by Himmler in his address to officers of the SS Leibstandarte "Adolf Hitler" on the "Day of Metz :

    "You must also consider the following: I cannot concentrate my mind solely on-now, please don't' become conceited-the most splendid part of the SS because it is the most positive part and because the trade you are following is the most positive and most manly. I cannot do that. I must always have the entire SS in my mind.
    "If I did not see this part, I would deny life to this most positive and most manly part of our activity; i. e., the Armed SS. I would deny your life. Because this armed SS will live only if the entire SS is alive. If the entire corps is actually an order which lives according to these laws and realizes that one part cannot exist without the other-you are unimaginable without the General SS, and the latter is not imaginable without you. The police is not imaginable without the SS, nor are we imaginable without this executive branch of the state which is in our hands." (1918-PS)

    (d) The Totenkopf Verbaende.

    The fourth component to be mentioned is the SS Death Head Units (SS Totenkopf Verbaende.) Their origin and purpose are succinctly described by d'Alquen on page 20 of his book, "Die SS":

    "The SS Death Head Units form one part of the garrisoned SS. They arose from volunteers of the General SS who were recruited for the guarding of concentration camps in 1933. "Their mission, aside from the indoctrination of the armed political soldier, is guarding enemies of the State who are held in concentration camps.
    "The SS Death Head Units obligate their members to 12 years service. It is composed mainly of men who have already fulfilled their duty to serve in the Wehrmacht. This time of service is counted completely." (2284-PS)

    Since the Death Head Units, like the SS Verfuegungstruppe, were composed of well trained professional soldiers, they were also a valuable nucleus for the Waffen SS. The secret Hitler order of 17 August 1938 (647-PS) provided for this task in the event of mobilization. The Totenkopf Verbaende were to be relieved from the duty of guarding concentration camps and transferred as a skeleton corps to the SS Verfuegungstruppe. Section II C, subparagraph 5, of that order provides: "5. Regulations for the case of the Mobilization.

    "The SS-Totenkopf Verbaende form the skeleton corps for the reinforcement of the SS-Totenkopf Verbaende (police reinforcement), and will be replaced in the guarding of the concentration camps by members of the General SS who are over 45 years of age and had military training.
    "The skeleton corps-which up to now were units of the two replacement units for the short time training of the reinforcement of the SS-Totenkopf Verbaende-will be transferred to the SS-Verfuegungstruppe as skeleton crews of the replacement units for that unit." (647-PS)

    (e) The SS Polizei Regimente.

    The final component specifically referred to in the Indictment is the SS Police Regiments. The SS eventually succeeded in assuming controls over the entire Reich Police. Out of the police, special militarized forces were formed, originally SS Police Battalions, and later expanded to SS Police Regiments. Himmler, in his Posen speech, declared :

    "Now to deal briefly with the tasks of the regular uniformed police and the Sipo [the Security Police] they still cover the same field. I can see that great things have been achieved. We have formed roughly 30 police regiments from police reservists and former members of the police-police officials, as they used to be called. The average age in our police battalions is not lower than that of the security battalions of the Armed Forces. Their achievements are beyond all praise. In addition, we have formed Police Rifle Regiments by merging the police battalions of the 'savage peoples. ' Thus we did not leave these police battalions untouched but blended them in the ratio of about 1 to 3." (1919-PS)

    The results of this blend of militarized SS police and "savage peoples" will be seen in the evidence, subsequently referred to, of the extermination actions conducted by them in the Eastern territories. These exterminations which were so successful and so ruthless that even Himmler could find no words adequate for their eulogy.

    (3) Unity of the Organization.

    Each of the various components described above played its part in carrying out one or more functions of the SS. The personnel composing each differed. Some were part-time volunteers ; others were professionals enlisted for different periods of time. But every branch, every department, every member was an integral part of the whole organization. Each performed his assigned role in the manifold tasks for which the organization had been created. No better witness to this fact could be called upon than the Reichsfuehrer SS, whose every endeavor was to insure the complete unity of the organization. The following words are taken from his Posen speech :

    "It would be an evil day if the SS and police fell out. It would be an evil day if the Main Offices, performing their tasks well meaningly but mistakenly made themselves independent by each having a downward chain of command., I really think that the day of my overthrow would be the end of the SS. It must be, and so come about, that this SS organization with all its branches-the General SS which is the common basis of all of them, the Waffen-SS, the regular uniformed police (Ordnungspolizei), the SIPO (with the whole economic administration, schooling, ideological training, the whole question of kindred), is, even under the tenth Reichsfuehrer-SS one bloc, one body, one organization." * * *
    "The' regular uniformed police and SIPO, General-SS and Waffen-SS must now gradually amalgamate too, just as this is and must be the case within the Waffen-SS. This applies to matters concerning filling of posts, recruiting, schooling, economic organization, and medical services. I am always doing something towards this end, a bond is constantly being cast around these sections of the whole to cause them to grow together. Alas, if these bonds should ever be loosened-then everything-you may be sure of this-would sink back into its old insignificance in one generation, and in a short space of time." (1919-PS)
    [quote]D. Criminal Aims and Activities of the SS.

    (1) The Purge of 20 June 1934.

    Proof of the elite Nazi quality and thorough reliability of the SS, the test by which it won its spurs, occurred on 30 June 1934, when it participated in the purge of the SA and other opponents or potential opponents of the Nazi regime. That was the first real occasion for use of this specialized organization which could operate with the blessing of the Nazi State but outside the law. In an affidavit signed and sworn to in Nurnberg on 19 November 1945, Wilhelm Frick says, referring to the victims of that purge:

    "They were just killed on the spot. Many people were killed-I don't know how many-who actually did not have anything to do with the putsch. People who just weren't liked very well, as for instance, Schleicher, the former Reich Chancellor, were killed * * * The SS was used by Himmler for the execution of these orders to suppress the putsch." (2950-PS)

    Himmler referred to this same event in his Posen speech:

    "Just as we did not hesitate on June 20, 1934, to do the duty we were bidden, and stand comrades who had lapsed, up against the wall and shoot them, so we have never spoken about it and will never speak about it." (1919-PS)

    It was in recognition of its services in this respect that the SS was elevated to the status of a component of the Party equal in rank to the SA and other similar branches. The following an-nouncement appeared on page 1 of the Voelkischer Beobachter of 26 July 1934:

    "The Reich press office announces the following order of the Fuehrer. "In consideration of the greatly meritorious service of the .SS, especially in connection with the events of 30 June 1934, I elevate it to the standing of an independent organization within the NSDAP. "Munch 20 July 1934." (1857-PS)

    (2) Functions as a Repressive Police Organization.

    One of the first steps essential to the security of any regime is control of the police. The SS was the type of organization which the conspirators needed for this purpose. Their aim was to fuse the SS and police, and to merge them into a single, unified repressive force.

    Shortly after the seizure of power the conspirators began to develop as part of the state machinery, secret political police forces. These originated in Prussia with the Gestapo, established by decree of Goering in April 1933, and were duplicated in the other German States. (This development is discussed in Section 6 on the Gestapo.) By 1934 Himmler, the Reichsfuehrer SS, had become the chief of these secret political police forces in each of the German states except Prussia, and deputy chief of the Prussian Gestapo. In that capacity he infiltrated these forces with members of the SS until a virtual identity of membership was assured.

    On 17 June 1936, by Decree on the Establishment of a Chief of the German Police (2073-PS), the new post of Chief of the Ger-man Police was created in the Ministry of the Interior. Under the terms of the decree, Himmler was appointed to this post with the title of "Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police in the Ministry of the Interior." The combination of these two positions, that of leadership of the SS and head of all the police forces in the Reich, was no accident but was intended to establish a permanent relation between the two bodies and not a mere "transitory fusion of personnel." The significance of the combination of these two positions was referred to by Hitler in the preamble to his secret order of 17 August 1938:

    "By means of the nomination of the Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police in the Ministry of the Interior on June 17th, 1936 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, page 487), I have cre-ated the basis for the unification and reorganization of the German Police.
    "With this step, the Schutzstaffeln of the NSDAP, which were under. the Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police even up to now, have entered into close connection with the duties of the German Police." (647-PS)

    Upon his appointment, Himmler immediately proceeded to reorganize the entire Reich Police Force, designating two separate branches: (1) the regular uniformed police force (Ordnungs-polizei, or Orpo), and (2) the Security Police (Sicherheitspolizei, or Sipo). 'The Sipo was composed of all criminal police organiza-tions in the Reich and all the secret political police forces, or Ges-tapo. This reorganization was achieved by the Decree Assigning Functions in the Office of the Chief of the German Police (1551- PS). To be head of the Sipo, that is the criminal police and Gestapo, Himmler appointed Reinhard Heydrich, who was at that time the Chief of the SD. Thus, through Himmler's dual capacity as leader of the SS and as Chief of the Police, and through Heydrich's dual capacity as head of the Sipo and as chief of the SD, a unified personal command of the SS and Security Police Forces was achieved. But further steps toward unification were later taken. In 1939, the Security Police and the SD were combined in a single depart- ment, the Reich Security Main Office, commonly referred to as the RSHA.(The details of the organization of the RSHA are discussed in Section 6 on the Gestapo.) The important point to be observed is this: The newly created Reich Security Main Office was not a mere department of the Government. It was a dual body: an agency of the government, organizationally placed in the Department of the Interior, and at the same time one of the principal departments of the SS, organizationally placed in the Supreme Command of the' SS. (Cf. the chart of the SS organization (Chart Number 3)). The following description of the RSHA appears in the Organizations Book of the NSDAP for 1943:

    "The RSHA handles all the organizational, personnel, man-agement and technical affairs of the Security Police and the SD. In addition, it is the central office of the State Police and criminal police executive, as well as the central directorate of the intelligence net of the SD." (2640-PS)

    The position of the RSHA in the Supreme Command of the SS is also similarly described in the SS manual, "The Soldier Friend". (2825-PS)

    But it was not merely the Gestapo and the Criminal Police which came under the sway of the SS. The regular uniformed police as well were affected. For, like the RSHA, the Department of the Regular Police (Ordnungspolizei, or Orpo), was not merely a department in the Ministry of the Interior, but also simultaneously in the Supreme Command of the SS. Its position in the SS is indicated by the seventh box on the chart of the SS organization (Chart Number 3). The following description of the Department of the Regular Police appears in the Organizations Book of the NSDAP for 1943:

    "The sphere of duties of the Main Office of the Ordnungspolizei includes police administration as well as the management and direction of the protective police (Schutzpolizei) of the Reich, the Gendarmes, the protective police of the community, the water protection police, the air protection police, the fire protection police, the protective groups in the occupied territories, the colonial police, the volunteer fire department, the cornpulsatory and youth fire departments, the technical aid and the technical SS and police academy." (2640-PS)

    The position of this Department in the SS Supreme Command is also similarly described in the SS Manual, "The Soldier Friend". (2825-PS)

    This unity of the Command was not a mere matter of the highest headquarters. It extended down to the operating level. As the chart shows, the Higher SS and Police Leader in each region, who was directly subordinate to Himmler, had under his command both the Security Police and the regular, uniformed police (Chart Number 8). These forces were subject to his orders as well as to those of the RSHA and the Department of the Regular Police respective-ly. This position of the Higher SS and Police Leader is described in the Organizations Book of the NSDAP for 1943. (2640-PS)

    SS control of the police was, however, not only a matter of organization and of unified command. Unity of personnel was also in large measure achieved. Vacancies occurring in the police forces were filled by SS members; police officials retained in the force were urged to join the SS ; and schools operated by the SS were the required training centers for police as well as SS officials. These measures are described in Himmler's article, "Organization and Obligations of the SS and the Police" (1992-PS). They are also described in an authoritative book on the police and on the SS, entitled "The German Police," written by Dr. Werner Best, a Min-isterial Director in the Ministry of the Interior and a department head in the Security Police and published in 1940. It bears on its flyleaf the imprimatur of the Nazi Party and is listed in the official list of National Socialist Party bibliography. Chapter 7 from that book is reproduced in document (1852-PS). Reference is also made to the order of the Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief o f the German Police of 23 June 1938, entitled "Acceptance of Members of the Security Police into the SS" (1637-PS). In that order 'pro-vision was made for admitting members of the Security Police into the SS upon certain conditions. The preamble of the order states that it was issued "with the aim of fusing members of the German Police with the 'Schutzstaffel' of the National Socialist German Workers Party into one uniformly turned out State Pro-tective Corps of the National Socialist Reich" (1637-PS). Parenthetically, it should be observed that even this aim was not suffi-cient to cause a relaxation of SS admission standards since the order provided that, to be admitted as an SS member, personnel of the Security Police were obliged to fulfill the general requirements of the SS (its racial and ideological standards).

    Through this unity of organization and personnel, the SS and the police became identified in structure and in activity. The resulting situation was described by Best as follows:

    "Thus the SS and the Police form a unit, both in their struc-ture and in their activity, although their individual organiza-tions have not lost their true individuality and their position in the larger units of the Party and State administration * * * *"
    "In the relationship between the Police and the SS, the principle of the 'orderly' penetration of an organization of the National order has been realized for the first time to the final outcome through the supporters of the National Socialist movement". (1852-PS)

    As Himmler stated in his address to the officers 'of SS-Leibstand-arte "Adolph Hitler" on the "Day of Metz":

    "I want to tell you: In the entire Waffen-SS we must begin to view the other great activity of the entire SS (Gesamt-SS) and entire Police. We must see to it that you consider the activity of the man in the green uniform as just as valuable as the activity you yourself are engaged in. You have to consider the work of the SD man or the man of the Security Police as a vital part of our whole work just like the fact that you can carry arms". (1918-PS)

    Through the police the SS was in a position to carry out a large part of the functions assigned to it. The working partnership between Gestapo, the criminal police, and the SD, under the direction of the Reichsfuehrer SS, resulted. in the ultimate in repressive and unrestrained police activity. (Cf. the discussion in Section 6 on the Gestapo.) It must be remembered that the Gestapo activi-ties were but one aspect of SS functions-one part of the whole criminal SS scheme.

    (3) Functions and Activities with Respect to Concentration Camps.

    Control over the police, however, was not enough. Potential sources of opposition could be tracked down by the SD. Suspects could be seized by the criminal police and Gestapo. But those means alone would not assure the complete suppression of all opponents and potential opponents of the regime. For this purpose concentration camps were invented, and the SS was given large responsibility in that system.

    (a) Criminal activities of SS guards and camp personnel.

    The first requirement of the camps was for guard and administrative personnel. Part-time volunteer members of the Allgemeine SS were originally utilized as guards. But part-time volunteers could not adequately serve the need of the extensive and long-range program that was planned. Hence, beginning in 1933 full-time professional guard units (the SS Totenkopf Verbaende) were organized. Their very name (" Death Head Units") and their distinguishing insignia, the skull and cross bones, appropriately marked the type of activity in which they engaged.

    During the war, members of the Allgemeine SS resumed the function of guarding the camps which they had undertaken when the camps were created. This was provided for in the Hitler order of 17 August 1938 (647-PS) directing the substitution of Allgemeine SS members for the Death Head Units in the event of mobilization. That substitution took place. In reviewing the events of the period between 1938 and 1940, significant for the SS, the National Socialist Yearbook of 1940 congratulated the Allgemeine SS on the performance of its new mission:

    "However, not only the garrisoned parts of the SS were employed. Also the General SS were brought forth for special missions. Thousands of younger and older SS comrades were employed for the strengthening of the police and for the guarding of concentration camps and have faithfully fulfilled their duty throughout the weeks." (2164-PS)

    It is unnecessary to repeat the evidence of wholesale brutali-ties, tortures, and murders committed by SS guards. These were not sporadic crimes committed by irresponsible individuals. They were a part of a definite and calculated policy, which necessarily resulted from SS philosophy, and which was carried out from the initial creation of the camps.

    Himmler bluntly explained to the Wehrmacht in 1937 the prevailing view of the SS as to the inmates of concentration camps:

    "It would be extremely instructive for everyone, some members of the Wehrmacht were already able to do so, to inspect such a concentration camp. Once they have seen it, they are convinced of the fact that no one had been sent there unjustly ; that it is the offal of criminals and freaks. No better demonstration of the laws of inheritance and race, as set forth by Doctor Guett, exists than such a concentration camp. There you can find people with hydrocephalus, people who are cross-eyed, deformed, half-Jewish, and a number of racially inferior products. All that is assembled there. Of course, we distinguish between those inmates who are only there for a few months for the purpose of education, and those who are to stay for a very long time. On the whole, education consists of discipline, never of any kind of instruction on an ideological basis, for the prisoners have, for the most part, slave-like souls; and only very few people of real character can be found there." (1992-A-PS)

    Even these "slave-like souls," however, might be redeemed by SS hygienic measures. For, as Himmler continued:

    "The discipline thus means order. The order begins with these people living in clean barracks. Such a thing can really only be accomplished by us Germans, hardly another nation would be as humane as we are. .The laundry is frequently changed. The people are taught to wash themselves twice daily, and the use of a toothbrush with which most of them have been unfamiliar." (1992-A-PS)

    Despite this callous jest to the Wehrmacht, all pretense was swept away in Himmler's speech to his own Gruppenfuehrers at Posen:

    "I don't believe the Communists could attempt any action, for their leading elements, like most criminals, are in our concentration camps. And here I must say this-that we shall be able to see after the war what a blessing it was for Germany that, in spite of all the silly talk about humanitar-ianism, we imprisoned all this criminal substratum of the German people in concentration camps : I'll answer for that." (1919-PS).

    Certainly there was no "silly humanitarianism" in the manner in which SS men performed their task. An illustration of their conduct, not in 1944 or 1945 but in 1933, is shown in four reports relating to the deaths of four different inmates of the Concentra-tion Camp Dachau between May 16 and 27, 1933. Each report is signed by Winterberger, the Public Prosecutor of the District Court in Munich, and addressed to the Public Prosecutor of the Supreme Court of Munich. The first (641-PS) 1 June 1933, relates to the death of Dr. Alfred Strauss, a prisoner in protective custody in Dachau. That report states:

    "On May 24, 1933 the 30 year old, single, attorney at law, Dr. Alfred Strauss from Munich who was in the concentration camp Dachau as a prisoner under protective custody was killed by 2 pistol shots from SS man Johann Kantschuster who escorted him on a walk outside of the fenced part of the camp prescribed to hirn by the camp doctor.
    "Kantschuster gives the following report: He himself had to urinate; Strauss proceeded on his way. Suddenly Strauss broke away towards the shrub located at a distance of about 6 m from the line. When he noticed it, he fired 2 shots at the fugitive from a distance of about 8 m, whereupon Strauss collapsed dead.
    "On the same day, May 24, 1933, a judicial inspection of the locality took place. The corpse of Strauss was lying at the edge of the wood. Leather slippers were on his feet. He wore a sock on one foot, while the other foot was bare, obviously because of an injury to this foot. Subsequently an autopsy was performed. Two bullets had entered the back of his head. Besides, the body showed several black and blue spots (Blutunterlaufung) and also open wounds." * * *
    "I have charged Kantschuster today with murder and have made application for opening and execution of the judicial preliminary investigation as well as for a warrant of arrest against him." (641-PS)

    The second (642-PS) also 1 June 1933, relates to the death of Leonhard Hausmann, another prisoner in Dachau. That letter states:

    "On 17 May 1933, Leonhard Hausmann from Augsburg, 31 years old, married, relief worker, who was kept in protective custody in the Dachau concentration camp, was shot by SS Staff Sergeant Karl Ehmann. According to the account of the latter, Hausmann was to dig out young fir trees in the woods in the vicinity of the camp and pile them up on a certain spot. He was supervised by Ehmann. Suddenly the latter did not see him anymore. Therefore Ehmann looked after the prisoners and saw him running away in a stooped position, Ehmann ran after him, called 'Halt' several times, once also 'Stop, ' but in vain. Whereupon Ehmann raised his pistol at the prisoner and fired without aiming; Hausmann dropped dead. Ehmann asserts that he fired from a distance of 10 to 12 meters.
    "The corpse was inspected already on 17 May 1933 with the assistance of the State court physician. It was found that death was due to a shot through the left side of the chest. According to the autopsy protocol, the shot was fired from a distance less than 1 meter. Meanwhile the legal-medical institute ascertained that the distance was less than 30 cm." (642-PS)

    The third (644-PS) 22 May 1933, relates to the death of Louis Schloss, an inmate of Dachau. Attached to the letter is a copy of a report of the autopsy conducted in the Schloss case, signed by the examining physicians. The letter of 22 May 1933, begins :

    "In the afternoon of 16 May 1933 the police station Dachau informed the State Prosecution that an inmate of the con-centration camp Dachau, the merchant Louis Schloss, from Nurnberg, widowed, born on 21 June 1889, has hanged him-self in solitary confinement. At the request of the state pro-secution, on the same day the legal inspection was performed with the assistance of the state court physician with the State Court Munich II. As it was proven that the corpse exhibited numerous whip marks and as the cause of death appeared doubtful, an autopsy was carried out on 17 May 1933. According to a preliminary certificate of the participating physicians, the autopsy did not prove death by hanging". (644-PS)

    The preliminary opinion of the examining physician states:

    "Preliminary opinion:
    "I. The death through hanging could not be proven by autopsy. "II. Extensive blood suffusions and whipmarks were found, particularly on the back, on the buttocks and on both arms, as well as on both legs, abdomen and thorax to a minor extent. In the region of the buttocks and shoulders extensive destruction of adipose tissue was found together with the blood suffusions. This is adequate to explain death through autointoxication and fat embolism." (644-PS)

    The fourth (645-PS) 1 June 1933, relates to the death of Sebastian Nefzger, another Dachau prisoner. The letter reads:

    "On May 27, 1933, the following report was received by the Lower Court Dachau:
    "Concentration Camp Dachau, Political Division,. May 27, 1933, to the Lower Court Dachau. An inquest on the dead body of the prisoner Nefzger Sebastian merchant in Munich, Schommerstrasse 17/ 0, born : l/ 10/ 1900 in Munich, religion : Catholic, marital status : married-showed that death through the action of third persons must be excluded. Death was indubitably caused by excessive bleeding resulting from an opened artery of the left hand. Signed Dr. Nuernbergk, Camp Physician.
    "Neither the Lower Court Dachau nor the State Attorney Munich II had up to that time been informed of Nefzger's death reported in the letter in spite of the fact that Nefzger had already died in the night of the 25 to the 26th of May 1933. The Lower Court Dachau informed the State Attorney, Munich II of this letter. A coroner's inquest was ordered, which took place as late as May 27, 1933. Since the physician appointed by the Superior Court, doubted that death had occurred to excessive bleeding and in identified marks of strings on the victim's neck, a judicial autopsy was arranged by the State Attorney on May 29, 1933. The resulting opinion of the expert is so far: I) The autopsy discloses that excessive bleeding due to a cut on the left arm must be excluded as a cause of death: II) The cut on the left wrist reveals three incisions of the bone. Trial cuts are lacking. These findings are contrary to the assumption that 'the wound has been self-inflicted: III) It must be assumed that the cause of death was suffocation. As a cause for suffocation, strangulation and throttling must be considered. The characteristics of the marks left by the strings do not agree with those otherwise observed in cases of death caused by hanging." (645-PS)

    These four murders, committed within the short space of two weeks in the Spring of 1933, each by different SS guards, are but a few examples of SS activities in the camps even as early as 1933. Many similar examples from that period and later periods could be produced.

    Indeed, that sort of thing was officially encouraged. Disciplinary Regulations for the Dachau Concentration Camp were issued on 1 October 1933 by SS Fuehrer Eicke, who later became commander of all the Death Head Units (778-PS). The fourth paragraph of the introduction of those rules provides:

    "Tolerance means weakness. In the light of this conception, punishment will be mercilessl[quote:97d3
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    First a short and conclusive answer as to why Hitler could not have been an ENTJ, provided to us courtesy of real-life-ENTJ, FDG:
    wait - i do not get why - because hitler had a better sense of humor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    I really don't see ISFJs as running MASSIVE enforcement armies like the SS which had many divisions
    You're right, if he really was ISFj, he would have probably been a housewife.

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    Dioklecian, how can you not see the ISFj. And look at the pictures. He looks so friendly. I don't care if he has weird moral beliefs. He is sweet.

    The point is, he has strong moral beliefs. And he does look introverted. You're just making up the . I can't see any of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    I really don't see ISFJs as running MASSIVE enforcement armies like the SS which had many divisions
    You're right, if he really was ISFj, he would have probably been a housewife.
    REad above, the SS was THE most important organization in Nazi Germany. You need tremendous organizational talent to INVENT something likethat. Not that they can't do it, but not likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina
    Dioklecian, how can you not see the ISFj. And look at the pictures. He looks so friendly. I don't care if he has weird moral beliefs. He is sweet.

    The point is, he has strong moral beliefs. And he does look introverted. You're just making up the . I can't see any of it!
    :
    Those are not moral beliefs, those are RACIST beliefs, that have to do with HIS superiority over others. Ethics, Fi ethics, is not about racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina
    Dioklecian, how can you not see the ISFj. And look at the pictures. He looks so friendly. I don't care if he has weird moral beliefs. He is sweet.

    The point is, he has strong moral beliefs. And he does look introverted. You're just making up the . I can't see any of it!
    :
    Those are not moral beliefs, those are RACIST beliefs, that have to do with HIS superiority over others. Ethics, Fi ethics, is not about racism.
    I'd like to see your book on logic, in order to get to use my beloved red marker.

    Hello? Racism is a system of ethics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina
    Dioklecian, how can you not see the ISFj. And look at the pictures. He looks so friendly. I don't care if he has weird moral beliefs. He is sweet.

    The point is, he has strong moral beliefs. And he does look introverted. You're just making up the . I can't see any of it!
    :
    Those are not moral beliefs, those are RACIST beliefs, that have to do with HIS superiority over others. Ethics, Fi ethics, is not about racism.
    I'd like to see your book on logic, in order to get to use my beloved red marker.

    Hello? Racism is a system of ethics.
    Good God!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Those are not moral beliefs, those are RACIST beliefs, that have to do with HIS superiority over others. Ethics, Fi ethics, is not about racism.
    I'd like to see your book on logic, in order to get to use my beloved red marker.

    Hello? Racism is a system of ethics.
    especially is related to the 'us vs. them' mentality.
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    wait - i do not get why - because hitler had a better sense of humor?
    No, sorry nothing wrong with your sense of humor - mine rather - since I seem to be fond of talking in riddles that no one else comprehends. :wink: What I meant was that Hitler was actually very good at reading and manipulating people - and ENTJs are generally not quite as good as they perhaps would like to think they are. Of course Hitler's judgment and logical analysis again was heavily biased by his racist and other ideological beliefs. For reference, read for example this analysis of Hitler's behavior from the discussion on Hitler's type on SG's forum:

    Quote Originally Posted by Human s/n #09...
    7. He was friendly and showed self-control to foreigners. He knew well the topics of discussion. He was remarkably convincing as an interlocutor; especially during private meetings, where he would show dignity and frankness. He knew how to leave a strong impression. He answered questions very rapidly and gave the impression of the utmost sincerity. He made a clever use of numerous but superficial bits of knowledge and was served by a prodigious memory. He could delude the best of judges. He gave to superficial notions the aspect of detailed knowledge. He could fool even experts: very experienced statesmen who met him in several occasions believed him to be a real statesman, and a trustworthy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina
    Dioklecian, how can you not see the ISFj. And look at the pictures. He looks so friendly. I don't care if he has weird moral beliefs. He is sweet.

    The point is, he has strong moral beliefs. And he does look introverted. You're just making up the . I can't see any of it!
    :
    Those are not moral beliefs, those are RACIST beliefs, that have to do with HIS superiority over others. Ethics, Fi ethics, is not about racism.
    I'd like to see your book on logic, in order to get to use my beloved red marker.

    Hello? Racism is a system of ethics.
    Good God!!!

    Introverted Ethics
    Relational Ethics
    Subjective situation of fields
    Subjective relationships between objects: feelings of attraction and repulsion, like and dislike, need and antipathy; morals, subjective judgments

    http://www.socionics.us/theory/information.shtml

    It seems clear to me that dividing people into us and them is one aspect of the introverted feeling function, but how to apply the theory in real life cases in always a bit of a challenge...
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    I can't see the INFj, sorry. I'm sure INFjs could rule people like he did, despite the Se-polr, but they wouldn't have that determination, "this is the moral way, this is the only possible way!" Any negotiations with any other countries would have ended with "damn, I see their point, should I still pretend they are wrong? Mhhh..." (I'm assuming he negotiated with people...)
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    She does look a bit INFj, but can be any type. Not enough info.
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    I believe Himmler was an ILI. The man was obsessed with the Celtic origins of the Aryan race and enshrouded SS practice in mysticism, having an old castle set aside for esoteric and Arthurian practices. There's a documentary about a fake, Celtic cauldron made for the rituals that went on as well as a schizophrenic and alcoholic friend of his taking the position of high priest.

    At the same time, he conducted the military and domestic operations with a straight-faced efficiency. He was however rather detached from the proceedings, not wanting to go anywhere near the concentration camps because he felt squeamish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I disagree.
    Why?

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    Looks LSI to me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Sounds more like a Beta-tard to me, with his seeming affinity for spewing mythopoeic prose. I'd guess him ISTj or INFp.
    I just think he's too bureaucracised to be Te PoLR and too esoteric to not have Ni in the ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Looks LSI to me.
    I'd say he actually looks ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I wouldn't put it past an LSI being into esoterica at all, esp. as a means of Ni-seeking; Golden just wrote something yesterday about her LSI doing that.
    "I still lack to a considerable degree that naturally superior kind of manner that I would dearly like to possess." Heinrich Himmler

    Seems more Se seeking to me.

    There's being into and there's spending a great deal of time and effort indulging in it.

    Mythopoeicism would be quite common for ILIs actually, just without all the sentimentality.
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