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    Originally found here: http://research.similarminds.com/mal...r-dynamics/438 I'm forgoing quote brackets and bolding the topics in order to make it easier to read. And no, I'm not the author.

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    I have a friend who told me as a high school cheerleader that her and the other cheerleaders would lock eyes with the dad's in the crowd. Why?, I inquired. She said they knew they were more attractive than their wives and it made them feel powerful. She said in her head it seemed sick/gross/wrong, but it felt so good. Did you do that more than with the attractive high school males in the crowd - I asked, yes, she answered. Did you try to lock eyes only with the most attractive dads? Yes, she answered.

    Power, energy, it is the essential ingredient to life. Humans are all just biological power stations. Their organic health is contingent on / reflective of the proper operation and maintenance of those power stations. Gender reflects two essentially different power dynamics. To be fully male is to function with / possess excess power. To be fully female is to need / require the excess power of a male. To be asexual is to neither have excess power (male), nor require excess power (female).

    In understanding power dynamics on an individual level you have to separate the mental/mind and the physical/body. The reason you have to do this is because a biological male can operate with a female mental disposition and/or a female physical disposition. The same holds true for females, they can operate with a male mental disposition and/or a female physical disposition. Defining terms, whatever is active/dominant is male, whatever is passive/submissive is female.

    Healthy Males and Females

    Within the confines of a relationship, the healthiest males operate with a male mental and physical disposition. They are more mentally in control / smarter and they are more physically in control / stronger / resource providing in a relationship. The healthiest females likewise select males who mentally and physically are superior to them (more active than them mentally and physically). That doesn't mean a woman doesn't contribute in a relationship with her intelligence and physical strength, she does, but she contributes to a smaller active extent. That doesn't mean she is less of a full partner. She is the equal to the male. She mirrors his greater activity potential with her greater passivity/receptivity potential. Her key gender based contribution is to extract any excess power from the male, which makes them both more powerful. In him, it maintains his ability to generate excess power, in her it satiates her need for / deficit of power.

    Gender Equality and Rights

    Men are physically and mentally superior to women in a active/actualized sense. Women, likewise, are superior in a passive/power storage sense. In so far as females complement males, women are essentially of equal importance. What is sacrosanct in a healthy society is that women be able to self determine (like any other person), to choose their preferred partners (and change partners if/when they want), to choose their careers, to choose their life paths. Less healthy societies will promote or tolerate various controls on the behavior of women, arranged marriages, educational and career limitations, physical and mental rape. To the extent and amount that women are coerced or raped or controlled, you have a very unhealthy society. The unique nature and power of femininity is that it serves as a reserve of and motivator of male strength. Females should never be looked at as a weaker resource to be exploited. They should be seen as a more passive equal. That passivity makes them vulnerable to non-consensual exploitation, and a healthy society should vigilantly protect them against that. Maybe asexuality should be pursued more individually, encouraged more by society, until one finds a compatible partner. Maybe the overt display of male or female sexuality outside of a relationship is not entirely healthy behavior.

    Unhealthy Males and Females

    Males and females who do not function in the aforementioned way are all unhealthy to some degree, and the relationships and families they have are similarly less healthy. That doesn't mean that they have no value and don't contribute to the world, they do. They just function at a lower level of health (respective to their individual potential) than if they pursued the aforementioned behavioral strategy. That does not mean that they should not be tolerated, they should. You cannot dictate/control the behavior of someone else to any constructive degree. If someone wants to be overweight and they are not hurting anyone but themselves, that is their right to self determination, the same holds true for any other personal behavior. They should be responsible for extra space they take up in an airplane (if they are that overweight) or their additional health care costs. But, if they maintain a responsibility for the costs of their unhealthy behavior, they should be able to engage in it. The same holds true for suicide (a more extreme and quickly lethal behavior). If people want to end their life, it is theirs to end.

    A biological male that operates with a male mental disposition and a female physical disposition will generally be most drawn to a female who operates with a female mental disposition and a male physical disposition. He will make more of the decisions but she will carry more physical responsibilities. The extreme of this scenario is a sickly overly thin male with a sickly overweight/stocky female. Both partners are more likely to be bisexual.

    A biological male that operates with a female mental disposition and a male physical disposition will generally be most drawn to a female who operates with a male mental disposition and a female physical disposition. She will make more of the decisions but he will carry more physical responsibilities. The extreme of this scenario is a sickly overweight/stocky male with a sickly overly thin female. Both partners are more likely to be bisexual.

    A biological male that operates with an asexual mental disposition and a male physical disposition will be drawn to a female with an asexual mental disposition and a female physical disposition. This couple communicates equally and both have a typical male and female physical appearance, except probably thinner than average.

    A biological male that operates with an asexual physical disposition and a female mental disposition will be drawn to a female with an asexual physical disposition and a male mental disposition. This manifests in the quiet male with an asexual physical appearance and the talkative female with an asexual physical appearance. Both partners are more likely to be bisexual.

    A biological male that operates with an asexual physical disposition and a male mental disposition will be drawn to a female with an asexual physical disposition and a female mental disposition. This manifests in the talkative male with an asexual physical appearance and the quiet female with an asexual physical appearance. Both partners are more likely to be bisexual.

    A biological male that operates with female mental disposition and female physical disposition is entirely homosexual.

    A biological female that operates with a male mental disposition and a male physical disposition is entirely lesbian.

    Why Do Unhealthy People / Behaviors Exist?

    Just as a healthy male and female can reproduce and have children, so can unhealthy men and women. Just as a healthy male and female can contribute to society to varying degrees, so can unhealthy men and women. Health is all respective to the individual, there is no reason to assume that the most capable people comparatively are the healthiest. It is, in fact, unlikely to be true.

    Imagine a healthy male lives in a post apocalyptic world where only 100 females exist. All of them have male mental dispositions so they will never defer to him more often or maybe at all making an optimal healthy relationship impossible. However, if he enjoys having sex, he may choose to tolerate the most attractive of the mentally male females that will have him.

    Women have been subjugated and raped mentally and physically historically. It makes sense that all women to some degree (and some far more than others) have an instinctual fear of subjugation and rape which makes them more defensive and more male mentally. Many women have been subjugated and raped mentally and physically in their own lifetime so their adopting a defensive male mental disposition makes even more sense. It makes sense that a mentally male female would select a weaker, more controllable partner from her unhealthy perspective. That weaker partner can never sufficiently physically satisfy her, and she can only make him weaker with her needs (which outpace his capacity). That's why pairings like this usually result in / involve men with heart disease and depression. They can work enough to produce children and even potentially last long term, but they will never be very happy or healthy.

    So, it's likely a varying mix of unhealthy genetic instinct and environmental experience induced unhealthy learned behavior that explains why people are unhealthy. In any case, if you become aware of all this, you can choose to behave differently and break your unhealthy genetic instincts or learned preferences.

    All things considered, if you live in a society that is still prone to rape and subjugation of women (which may be all societies to some degree), and you don't trust your ability to select a male who respects your consent and you as an equal partner, it still makes sense to be more mentally male until you develop healthier instincts and decision making capacity. That does not mean you should select a weaker male who is safe and make him weaker with your needs (which outpace his capacity). It means you should remain asexual until you figure out your issues.

    Power Dynamics in Society, The Alpha Male

    On a macro / society level, a healthy male in a healthy society is in a position that reflects their respective power compared to other males in society. They are above less powerful males, and below more powerful males. If a twenty five year old male is the most mentally and physically powerful (current science suggests peak intelligence and physical strength is achieved between 20 and 30), he should occupy the most powerful position in society. We don't live in an entirely healthy society so things like inherited money/power, nepotism, and favoritism skew the naturally optimal hierarchy. Older physically, mentally, and sexually impotent males still possess far more power than their mental and physical power justify. The recent success of Google and Facebook and other powerful companies run by very young individuals reflect a more natural order. So, things may be improving.

    In the film Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, one of the villains is actually an amalgamation of two people. Master Blaster is a mentally shrewd/powerful but physically weak dwarf who controls a mentally retarded but powerful giant. Together they are the ultimate alpha male, mentally and physically more powerful than anyone else and therefore able to inhabit the top position of power in their environment. They are bested by a single man, Mad Max, who is smarter than the dwarf, and strong enough to defeat them both.

    I'm particularly a fan of aging as an avoidable malfunction because power/energy is what makes us who we are, what makes us real, what makes us human. I also think the greatest minds and bodies that have ever lived are idiots and weaklings compared to all that's still left to know and all that remains physically possible. To limit one's fate to what has happened to everyone that has lived before is foolish. The fact that no one has ever avoided physical deterioration could simply be a function that no one has ever pursued a healthy enough behavioral path, not that death/decline is certain. What's certain is that pursuing the same paths/behaviors others have pursued will cause the same result, hence the importance of living life differently, more experimentally (in some cases taking the best of what we already know and improving on it, in some case starting from scratch). To decline in mental and physical power which most do after the age of twenty five, is to be less human, to be less alive, to be less capable of happiness. Only by sustaining or improving power can you maintain or maximize happiness, your capacity to be alive, to be human. Even if avoiding decline is impossible (in the near term or forever), the people who best maintain their fitness/power have the highest quality of life, so it still makes sense to pursue an optimal physical health strategy if you enjoy having a higher quality of life.

    This is entirely an intuitive theory at this point, but I will begin to test this theory and see if empirical data supports it. I understand it certainly contains some unpopular ideas, but popularity does not equal objective truth.
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    This is the kind of thing that generally makes me wince. If the dispositions are found in either gender, it seems weird to continue the associations of male/dominance and female/passivity. The connection to the health of those fitting the prevailing gender mores or roles is pretty much bunk, though I can buy the link to success. After all, fitting into and supporting instantiated value systems will get you further than going against them.

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    ...the fuck?!
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    So if you're older than 25 you can't enjoy life any more and if you aren't at the very zenith of your physical and mental capability then you are unhealthy.

    Give me this man's address as I have an overwhelming urge to make sure that the last thing he ever sees is a Cor-Bon Deep Penetrating Expander coring through his skull at 1300 feet per second.
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    Good topic.

    Mediocre article.

    Of course horny high school girls who are low in self esteem and 'trying' to gain attention are going to think about sexual things and look at other males. What are they going to do, look at old fat ladies, or think of classical composers while cheering?

    I hope the person who wrote that is a young kid. Maybe a highschooler himself. He seems to be consulting cheerleaders so maybe he knows one.

    If it goes down the wrong road, it could become a sort of supremacist viewpoint, with a driving factor of "but there's reality to it".

    There is truth in what is said, but the nature of power dynamics and its discussion seems to be coming from someone who perhaps is more caught up in the framework originally discussed in the opening (high school) than the author realizes.

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    Still retarded.

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    synopsis please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    synopsis please!
    Men want control.
    Females want to be controlled.
    Any men who don't care about control, or women who want to have freedom are bisexual.
    Hence, the "best" type of man is the one with the most control and power.
    Hence, 25-year-old guys should be the ones with all the power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We Are Carbon View Post
    Men want control.
    Females want to be controlled.
    Any men who don't care about control, or women who want to have freedom are bisexual.
    Hence, the "best" type of man is the one with the most control and power.
    Hence, 25-year-old guys should be the ones with all the power.
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    Males and females who do not function in the aforementioned way are all unhealthy to some degree, and the relationships and families they have are similarly less healthy. That doesn't mean that they have no value and don't contribute to the world, they do. They just function at a lower level of health (respective to their individual potential) than if they pursued the aforementioned behavioral strategy. That does not mean that they should not be tolerated, they should.
    ROFLMAO this has got to be the most condescending, un-true bullshit I have ever read in my life and speaks mostly to the author's insecurities than anything else.

    He or she is basically saying that homosexuals, and people who don't fit neat gender norms are innately less than other people. And then smugly going 'They just function at a lower level of health.' Whatever. That has shit all to do with health, and a big fuck you to whoever thinks that. How about saying that to my face, and I'll kick your ass in the faggiest, gayest way possible!!!

    But I think this is a good example of how homophobia hurts both straight and gay people. It makes gay men who are innately tough, go on the offensive and beat up the people who say this shit. And it unfairly discriminates against the straight dudes who are artistic, compassionate, nice and sensitive. Like Jason Mraz!!! (and mune hehe. And even Ashton deep down inside, although he hides it well..) And furthermore, it's implying that you can't be both of those things at once, which isn't true. (Caring and kick-ass)

    But most sadly, it simply cuts the hater off from their own humanity.

    I know plenty of gay men who are athletic , very healthy, masculine and in their bodies. Do they have to rape you and beat you up before you realize their strength? Well, plenty of them have already done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    ROFLMAO this has got to be the most condescending, un-true bullshit I have ever read in my life and speaks mostly to the author's insecurities than anything else.

    He or she is basically saying that homosexuals, and people who don't fit neat gender norms are innately less than other people. And then smugly going 'They just function at a lower level of health.' Whatever. That has shit all to do with health, and a big fuck you to whoever thinks that. How about saying that to my face, and I'll kick your ass in the faggiest, gayest way possible!!!

    But I think this is a good example of how homophobia hurts both straight and gay people. It makes gay men who are innately tough, go on the offensive and beat up the people who say this shit. And it unfairly discriminates against the straight dudes who are artistic, compassionate, nice and sensitive. Like Jason Mraz!!! (and mune hehe. And even Ashton deep down inside, although he hides it well..) And furthermore, it's implying that you can't be both of those things at once, which isn't true. (Caring and kick-ass)

    But most sadly, it simply cuts the hater off from their own humanity.

    I know plenty of gay men who are athletic , very healthy, masculine and in their bodies. Do they have to rape you and beat you up before you realize their strength? Well, plenty of them have already done that.
    I know a gay dude (he's building my new bike ), and he can bike over 100 miles with no problem I only made it half that at my best, and it was absolutely brutal...

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    I really sense compulsion for this thing to be torn to shreds intellectually, practically, experientially, and emotionally. Why? Some people who don't reason or don't LOOK AROUND or don't weigh things for themselves socially/emotionally may actually start thinking the author's crap logic is actually rational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddly McFluffles View Post
    Originally found here: http://research.similarminds.com/mal...r-dynamics/438 I'm forgoing quote brackets and bolding the topics in order to make it easier to read. And no, I'm not the author.

    I have a friend who told me as a high school cheerleader that her and the other cheerleaders would lock eyes with the dad's in the crowd. Why?, I inquired. She said they knew they were more attractive than their wives and it made them feel powerful. She said in her head it seemed sick/gross/wrong, but it felt so good. Did you do that more than with the attractive high school males in the crowd - I asked, yes, she answered. Did you try to lock eyes only with the most attractive dads? Yes, she answered.

    Power, energy, it is the essential ingredient to life. Humans are all just biological power stations. Their organic health is contingent on / reflective of the proper operation and maintenance of those power stations. Gender reflects two essentially different power dynamics. To be fully male is to function with / possess excess power. To be fully female is to need / require the excess power of a male. To be asexual is to neither have excess power (male), nor require excess power (female).
    this is the extension of the power dynamics this author was talking about: http://www.returnofkings.com/30883/t...tractive-women it's too reductionist and limited of a view, but that's what makes it so appealing for men. no need to think about it any further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    this is the extension of the power dynamics this author was talking about: http://www.returnofkings.com/30883/t...tractive-women it's too reductionist and limited of a view, but that's what makes it so appealing for men. no need to think about it any further.
    *looks at url*

    *follows link anyway*

    *cries*

    "No need to think about it any further" indeed. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddly McFluffles View Post
    *looks at url*

    *follows link anyway*
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    I didn't read the article. I just glanced at the header/links a bit and remembered the bullshit I'd found there.
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